Not Even Any Evidence Of A Party
Charlottesville cops say there was no evidence to support the UVA rape story in Rolling Stone, reports Sasha Goldstein in the NY Daily News:
The months-long investigation into the story told by "Jackie" about what she said was a September 2012 gang rape at the Phi Kappa Psi house could not be proven in any way, said police Chief Timothy Longo.The case has been "suspended," not closed, because something could have happened, Longo said.
"We certainly can't say something didn't happen ... but there's not evidence to support it," Longo told reporters at a Monday afternoon press conference.
...The night of the Sept. 28, 2012, reported gang rape, Jackie told friends she was to go to dinner and a frat event with a man named Haven Monahan. The phone number she used to text the man was actually a Google number and police have found no subscriber information for the line.
There is no evidence Monahan exists, Longo said.
Jackie also claimed there was a party at Phi Kappa Psi the night of the rape, but police found no evidence of a party. Instead, investigators discovered that the frat's sister sorority was having a formal that night, meaning it was likely there was no event at the frat so as not to "cannibalize" the sorority's guest list, Longo said.
"All I can tell you is that there is no substantive basis to conclude that what was reported in that article happened," he said.
NYT story here.
> The case has been "suspended," not closed, because something could have happened, Longo said.
And that's the problem with all false accusations.
"Which office do I go to to get my reputation back?"
And the Amanda Marcottes and Jessica Valentis will mark this down as one of those rapes where the rapist was never brought to trial, and never include it as a false accusation.
jerry at March 23, 2015 10:17 PM
Despite this investigation, the "believe the victim" narrative will not die because it is abetted by the mainstream media. Check out CNN's online report of the investigation. It quotes CNN's "legal analyst" Sunny Hostin who shares highly dubious statistics and infers from them that Jackie did not lie:
"Hostin pointed out that only about 2% of rapes that are reported are false, and only about 40% of rapes that occur are even reported:'"So the suggestion that she just sort of made this entire thing up flies in the face of the statistics.'"
I hope I don't have to explain that the 2 "statistics" have nothing to do with one another and that neither supports Hostin's conclusion.
DrPinWV at March 24, 2015 3:32 AM
As noted in DrPinWV's comment above, CNN's legal analyst Sunny Hostin "...pointed out that only about 2% of rapes that are reported are false, and only about 40% of rapes that occur are even reported:'So the suggestion that she just sort of made this entire thing up flies in the face of the statistics.'"
Even if those bogus "statistics" are true, the suggestion that "Jackie" is lying doesn't "fly in the face of the statistics". It would suggest that "Jackie" is one of the 2% who lied.
It wasn't that long ago that the "statistics" were saying that only one out ten rapes were reported. So if Hostin's "statistics" are now true it means that:
1- four times more of the rapes that occur are reported now than before, or
2- there are 75% fewer rapes occurring now than before, or
3- the feminist man-hating anti-rape culture warriors spew bullshit like a snow blower blows snow.
I'd put my money on number 3.
Ken R at March 24, 2015 4:12 AM
"One clue as to the origins of Jackie's rape claim came from her first meeting with a school dean in 2012. Her grades had been falling, and after being asked about them, she brought up the rape claim."
From an article in the Examiner
Isab at March 24, 2015 7:00 AM
As I recall, "Jackie"'s back was pretty messed up due to laying in broken glass.
Also, Ken R libels snow blowers.
I R A Darth Aggie at March 24, 2015 7:41 AM
"Hostin pointed out that only about 2% of rapes that are reported are false, and only about 40% of rapes that occur are even reported:'"So the suggestion that she just sort of made this entire thing up flies in the face of the statistics.'"
(S)he uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp posts - for support rather than for illumination.
Andrew Lang
Steamer at March 24, 2015 8:16 AM
"only about 2% of rapes that are reported are false" and that statistic may be up to 33% factual.
Statisticians and weathermen, two of the few professions that you can be completely wrong and still have a job the next day. (At least half of that joke I attribute to comedian George Wallace)
drcos at March 24, 2015 9:11 AM
The writer Richard Bradley wrote about this, as well as Steve Sailer. She made up Haven Monahan herself. Sent herself many texts from him, and had the guys read it and respond. "haven" even texted the guy after the alleged rape. She catfished haven into existence to get sympothy/attention/love from a guy, and used a false rape to try to up the emotional ante. She kept with the story because it got her status and a place within the victim culture, until it all blew up.
rsj at March 24, 2015 2:19 PM
Sue, sue, sue - that is what that frat needs to do to the "journalists" who ruined their reputation.
charles at March 24, 2015 7:19 PM
IRA Darth: "As I recall, "Jackie"'s back was pretty messed up due to laying in broken glass."
It would have been if her story was true, but she did not find it necessary to seek medical treatment. Ergo, her claim to have been gang-raped on broken glass was either a lie or a delusion. If it was true, even her airhead "friends" would have rushed her to the emergency room, and the cops would have been searching frat houses for the crime scene before it was possible to clean it up. But her friends agreed that neither medical attention nor a police report was needed.
Anyone a bit of sense would have spiked that story in the absence of corroborating evidence - and since she didn't report it until months later, there's no possibility of getting corroborating physical evidence. Eye witnesses might have corroborated it IF she had reported it before the tale was publicized, but if anyone turns up now, I'll think it most likely that they read the story and made up lies to match.
So what I'm hearing from her friends and family now is that "something happened", such as being forced to give oral sex to several men - but that's meaningless now. Something _might_ have happened that night, but it was not what she claimed, not where she claimed, and not with who she claimed. The best case for her is that she was too stoned to remember any details, but the broken glass table story is still a confabulation, and the accusation against a particular fraternity is _proven_ false. Filling in the blanks in your memory by accusing the innocent is not acceptable.
If a round of blow jobs did occur, after all her lies I'll think that the "force" probably consisted of booze and begging really hard. She might have been dosed with rohypnol, which would make it "rape rape", but the long delay in reporting it made it impossible to gather evidence - the only way this could even reach a preponderance of evidence standard now would be with multiple other victims establishing a pattern - but I have heard nothing to suggest that such a pattern exists. So, stripped of the details, she claims that she was remorselessly raped by unkown men in an unknown location, who apparently only did that ONCE - and that's hardly more likely than the broken glass story.
markm at March 27, 2015 9:09 AM
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