Because I assume the people of Indiana didn't elect a cretin. Perhaps you think they did?
Maybe you're right. Maybe he is a cretin. Maybe he honestly signed a bill that basically allows business owners to say, "Out of my shop, faggot!" and truly had no idea that gays and pro-gay activists wouldn't object.
Of course, this allows Muslim business owners to refuse to serve women who aren't accompanied by their husbands, or who aren't dressed in the appropriate Muslim attire.
Patrick
at March 29, 2015 7:36 AM
The sarcasm of the nine-year-old isn't so convincing to others, no matter how much it enchants the self.
The fascism of the nine-year-old: With no experience of the larger world and no adult appreciation of the presence of other people, it's not possible to consider any problem which can't be settled by Teacher, or Mom or Dad, stepping in to exert irresistible control.
The rest of humanity has been trying to subdue the torment of government force for thousands of years. But to the fourth-grade boy, there's no reason you WOULDN'T want to use authoritarian power to make people do stuff... It's the whole point, right?
Because 'Teacher knows what's best for us, even if we don't understand, and the entire purpose of the machine is to turn out people who all think the same way and do the same things.'
Your 10th birthday will be a blowout party, we're certain. Cake... Squabbling... Shrieking... A torn dress, a blackened eye... Sobbing tears, broken loyalties and shifting social status....
This is the single busiest time of the year for me, and I'm working my ass off pretty much day and night, ever day.
I think people who do not run essential businesses like pharmacies, hospitals, etc., should be allowed to serve or not serve whomever they please. If you are a cake baker and you don't want to make a cake for two atheists, lesbians, Christians, Muslims, I don't think you should be forced to do so or fined by the state.
These people just need to be told, right? Right! They need to be told how to think about things!... By people with the power to make sure they're doing it right!
The fascism of the nine-year-old: With no experience of the larger world and no adult appreciation of the presence of other people, it's not possible to consider any problem which can't be settled by Teacher, or Mom or Dad, stepping in to exert irresistible control.
The rest of humanity has been trying to subdue the torment of government force for thousands of years. But to the fourth-grade boy, there's no reason you WOULDN'T want to use authoritarian power to make people do stuff... It's the whole point, right?
Posted by: Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at March 29, 2015 10:05 AM
Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman wrote a book a while back called Good Omens. In it, the anti-Christ is a 12-year-old boy who just wants the world not to suck. So, he's petulantly going to use his power to remake the world and force everything to be fair and happy and nice.
I always thought they were onto something there.
Conan the Grammarian
at March 29, 2015 11:16 AM
Crid, did you happen to hear the "whoosh"? That was the point of my post going over your head.
Didn't hear the "whoosh"? Then it went very far over your head.
My post wasn't about forcing anyone to do anything. I posted about Governor Pence having the nerve to appear shocked at the backlash of his signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law.
Tell me, Crid, just how naive are you? Do you believe that if you owned a business and decided to announce to the world that homosexuals weren't welcome in your store, that you wouldn't feel some repercussions? People who believe in gay marriage (which, we're told, is now 52% of the country) will stop shopping there.
Hell, you don't even have to like gays to be just a tad uncomfortable with a store that delves into your personal life and refuses service based on whom you sleep with.
To get the point through your impervious and self-enamored skull, my post was about Governor Pence's (I believe) feigned surprise that signing such a piece of legislation actually has repercussions. It wasn't about whether or not people have the right to refuse service to gays; it was about the Governor's shock at the response to a state that enacted a piece of legislation to allow it.
So kindly shove a wrecking bar up your ass to dislodge your head, and get with the program.
Patrick
at March 29, 2015 12:16 PM
> hear the "whoosh"? That was the
> point of my post
Sarcasm before all things. Bitterness; demands of others rather than one's self; continual distance-making from those ("cretins"!) wanting nothing do with you anyway. Fifth grade is all that and more!
It would be rillygrayt if someone took the time to complete the Five Cakes Quiz. It's revealing! It's like the dance of the Seven Veils, except nobody gets laid at the end.
But anyone who figures out which of the five cakes deserves to be baked by force of law will have a really clear understanding of exactly how much authority they want to apply to the lives of distant strangers.
That's the easy part!
The difficult part is sharing your score with strangers before the force is applied.
> So, he's petulantly going to use
> his power to remake the world and
> force everything to be fair and
> happy and nice.
Coney-- Read this, which concerns how the common child/voter on the street has come to dream of wielding that power. Then read this (short), which extends the consideration in important ways.
(Hollywood has a few things to do with this as well, for better and for worse.)
Crid [CridComment at Gmail]
at March 29, 2015 1:34 PM
> This is the single busiest time
> of the year for me, and I'm
> working my ass off pretty much
> day and night, ever day.
Well, now....
Perhaps Amy's under the impression that this blog is a minor marketing effort for the larger project of her career, one which she can disregard for whole hours at a time as she pursues other ventures and interests....
No. These are important topics for important people, serious as a heart attack, and every participant must be expected to defend every syllable of content from any post at any time, from the dawn of the internet to the grave itself.
Seriousballs, I'm amazed that this thing has been updated every day without failure for the past ___teen years. Sunrise should be so reliable. The New York Times should have as much attentive publication.
Here's Mike Pence being interviewed by George Stephanopoulos on his signing of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law. And he is as evasive as fuck!
Very interesting, Crid; and more accurate than many people will be willing to admit.
Human beings still need a belief system. The "enlightened" ones, however, don't want to admit it's a religion.
Conan the Grammarian
at March 29, 2015 3:29 PM
Personally, I see this as "business as usual." Governor Pence signed a law that allows people to discriminate against gays based on "religious convictions." Certain people have decided they don't agree with Indiana's stance on the issue and have chosen to boycott the state.
Indiana storeowners may practice freedom of association, and so may those who feel such a measure is inappropriate, by not associating with Indiana.
The twitching nine-year-old, tantalized by adult demeanor but oblivious to the personal courage which makes it work, takes great pleasure in mocking others as "immature" (see above).
It's a safe bet that the nine-year-old's own house is not in order, and that he's unaware of the federal considerations.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail]
at March 29, 2015 6:21 PM
Had to laugh at the Governor of Indiana - come on, man, just come out and say nobody's REALLY seen any "Strange Fruit" until Indiana starts lynching homos!
God, I love flyover country. It's like our own little Sunni vs Shiite comic book down there.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers
at March 30, 2015 5:44 PM
Indiana Governor Mike Pence pretends to be surprised by the fallout from his signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law.
Patrick at March 29, 2015 12:51 AM
Why wouldn't he be?
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at March 29, 2015 3:54 AM
Because I assume the people of Indiana didn't elect a cretin. Perhaps you think they did?
Maybe you're right. Maybe he is a cretin. Maybe he honestly signed a bill that basically allows business owners to say, "Out of my shop, faggot!" and truly had no idea that gays and pro-gay activists wouldn't object.
Of course, this allows Muslim business owners to refuse to serve women who aren't accompanied by their husbands, or who aren't dressed in the appropriate Muslim attire.
Patrick at March 29, 2015 7:36 AM
The sarcasm of the nine-year-old isn't so convincing to others, no matter how much it enchants the self.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at March 29, 2015 8:14 AM
Show us your tits.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at March 29, 2015 9:08 AM
Dumb questions deserve sarcastic answers.
Patrick at March 29, 2015 9:40 AM
The fascism of the nine-year-old: With no experience of the larger world and no adult appreciation of the presence of other people, it's not possible to consider any problem which can't be settled by Teacher, or Mom or Dad, stepping in to exert irresistible control.
The rest of humanity has been trying to subdue the torment of government force for thousands of years. But to the fourth-grade boy, there's no reason you WOULDN'T want to use authoritarian power to make people do stuff... It's the whole point, right?
Because 'Teacher knows what's best for us, even if we don't understand, and the entire purpose of the machine is to turn out people who all think the same way and do the same things.'
Your 10th birthday will be a blowout party, we're certain. Cake... Squabbling... Shrieking... A torn dress, a blackened eye... Sobbing tears, broken loyalties and shifting social status....
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at March 29, 2015 10:05 AM
It's fun that Amy doesn't have a comment about this.
We figured out a couple years ago that her commitment to gay marriage was, in fact, tissue-thin....
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at March 29, 2015 10:06 AM
The heedless enchantment of Twitter.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at March 29, 2015 10:26 AM
This is the single busiest time of the year for me, and I'm working my ass off pretty much day and night, ever day.
I think people who do not run essential businesses like pharmacies, hospitals, etc., should be allowed to serve or not serve whomever they please. If you are a cake baker and you don't want to make a cake for two atheists, lesbians, Christians, Muslims, I don't think you should be forced to do so or fined by the state.
Amy Alkon at March 29, 2015 10:32 AM
These people just need to be told, right? Right! They need to be told how to think about things!... By people with the power to make sure they're doing it right!
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at March 29, 2015 10:33 AM
Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman wrote a book a while back called Good Omens. In it, the anti-Christ is a 12-year-old boy who just wants the world not to suck. So, he's petulantly going to use his power to remake the world and force everything to be fair and happy and nice.
I always thought they were onto something there.
Conan the Grammarian at March 29, 2015 11:16 AM
Crid, did you happen to hear the "whoosh"? That was the point of my post going over your head.
Didn't hear the "whoosh"? Then it went very far over your head.
My post wasn't about forcing anyone to do anything. I posted about Governor Pence having the nerve to appear shocked at the backlash of his signing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law.
Tell me, Crid, just how naive are you? Do you believe that if you owned a business and decided to announce to the world that homosexuals weren't welcome in your store, that you wouldn't feel some repercussions? People who believe in gay marriage (which, we're told, is now 52% of the country) will stop shopping there.
Hell, you don't even have to like gays to be just a tad uncomfortable with a store that delves into your personal life and refuses service based on whom you sleep with.
To get the point through your impervious and self-enamored skull, my post was about Governor Pence's (I believe) feigned surprise that signing such a piece of legislation actually has repercussions. It wasn't about whether or not people have the right to refuse service to gays; it was about the Governor's shock at the response to a state that enacted a piece of legislation to allow it.
So kindly shove a wrecking bar up your ass to dislodge your head, and get with the program.
Patrick at March 29, 2015 12:16 PM
> hear the "whoosh"? That was the
> point of my post
Sarcasm before all things. Bitterness; demands of others rather than one's self; continual distance-making from those ("cretins"!) wanting nothing do with you anyway. Fifth grade is all that and more!
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at March 29, 2015 1:12 PM
It would be rillygrayt if someone took the time to complete the Five Cakes Quiz. It's revealing! It's like the dance of the Seven Veils, except nobody gets laid at the end.
But anyone who figures out which of the five cakes deserves to be baked by force of law will have a really clear understanding of exactly how much authority they want to apply to the lives of distant strangers.
That's the easy part!
The difficult part is sharing your score with strangers before the force is applied.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at March 29, 2015 1:17 PM
> So, he's petulantly going to use
> his power to remake the world and
> force everything to be fair and
> happy and nice.
Coney-- Read this, which concerns how the common child/voter on the street has come to dream of wielding that power. Then read this (short), which extends the consideration in important ways.
(Hollywood has a few things to do with this as well, for better and for worse.)
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at March 29, 2015 1:34 PM
> This is the single busiest time
> of the year for me, and I'm
> working my ass off pretty much
> day and night, ever day.
Well, now....
Perhaps Amy's under the impression that this blog is a minor marketing effort for the larger project of her career, one which she can disregard for whole hours at a time as she pursues other ventures and interests....
No. These are important topics for important people, serious as a heart attack, and every participant must be expected to defend every syllable of content from any post at any time, from the dawn of the internet to the grave itself.
Seriousballs, I'm amazed that this thing has been updated every day without failure for the past ___teen years. Sunrise should be so reliable. The New York Times should have as much attentive publication.
And as much horse sense.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at March 29, 2015 1:39 PM
Here's Mike Pence being interviewed by George Stephanopoulos on his signing of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law. And he is as evasive as fuck!
Patrick at March 29, 2015 3:01 PM
Meen people suck, right?
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at March 29, 2015 3:14 PM
Very interesting, Crid; and more accurate than many people will be willing to admit.
Human beings still need a belief system. The "enlightened" ones, however, don't want to admit it's a religion.
Conan the Grammarian at March 29, 2015 3:29 PM
Personally, I see this as "business as usual." Governor Pence signed a law that allows people to discriminate against gays based on "religious convictions." Certain people have decided they don't agree with Indiana's stance on the issue and have chosen to boycott the state.
Indiana storeowners may practice freedom of association, and so may those who feel such a measure is inappropriate, by not associating with Indiana.
All is working as it should.
Patrick at March 29, 2015 4:21 PM
Waaaaah.
Patrick at March 29, 2015 5:58 PM
The twitching nine-year-old, tantalized by adult demeanor but oblivious to the personal courage which makes it work, takes great pleasure in mocking others as "immature" (see above).
It's a safe bet that the nine-year-old's own house is not in order, and that he's unaware of the federal considerations.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at March 29, 2015 6:21 PM
Had to laugh at the Governor of Indiana - come on, man, just come out and say nobody's REALLY seen any "Strange Fruit" until Indiana starts lynching homos!
God, I love flyover country. It's like our own little Sunni vs Shiite comic book down there.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at March 30, 2015 5:44 PM
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