Hey, media? why not try doing your actual job for once? the potential for government abuse of thise information gathering is ginormous, and as such it is almost assured that it will be abused. But no, we have to worry about Fauxcahantus' fee-fees.
While The President’s gratuitous snark about Elizabeth Warren dominates the news cycle, major media seems to be missing the real news that will seriously affect them as journalists and the public at large. Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) is a provision of law that allows the government to conduct mass surveillance of innocent people, including Americans.
Next up: a feminist robot company producing unattractive no-sex dolls that shriek PETA slogans when approached by a man.
After the inevitable bankruptcy look for their GoFundMe page and a press release blaming white patriarchy.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers
at November 28, 2017 9:29 AM
Wherever I go, people ask me the same question: “How can he?” How can Kevin support President Trump? Why isn’t he bothered by all the things others find appalling and frightening? Thanksgiving weekend is here, so it’s time for my Republican brother to share his bounteous harvest of thought
Geez, you guys... "War"... Incompetence... teh gays...
The future has never been darker for America, amirite?
Crid
at November 28, 2017 11:28 AM
"War on whiteness continues apace."
Crid
at November 28, 2017 11:28 AM
Lena Dunham slammed for being a hipster racist by some sort of hipster-leader or ... something ... um, black feminist lives matter patriarchy oppression resist!
I remember reading about the gravity wave detection, and the neutron star collision back then, but this is just fantastic. Good luck with analyzing the mountains of data.
On Aug. 17, LIGO’s twin detectors and Virgo each felt the wave, which allowed astronomers to roughly triangulate from which direction it rolled in. They swung every bit of glass they had, both on Earth and in the heavens, in that general direction. In space, the Fermi space telescope glimpsed a burst of gamma radiation. Within an hour, astronomers made six independent discoveries of a bright, fast-fading flash: A new phenomenon called a kilonova. Astronomers saw the telltale sign of gold being forged, a major discovery by itself. Nine days later, X-rays streamed in, and after 16 days, radio waves arrived, too. Each type of information tells astronomers something different. Richard O’Shaughnessy, an astronomer at the Rochester Institute of Technology, describes the discovery as a “Rosetta stone for astronomy.” “What this has done is provide one event that unites all these different threads of astronomy at once,” he said. “Like, all our dreams have come true, and they came true now.”
Christmas in America is so gay. ~ mpetrie98 at November 28, 2017 8:57 AM
Well, that would require a miracle.
I'll never forget the first time a mortar landed next to me at the refrigerator as I was unwrapping a Kraft single. ~ Crid at November 28, 2017 2:10 PM
It't not the mortar you've got to worry about. It's the freedom seed coming out of it.
And the Kraft Single. Those things'll kill ya.
Conan the Grammarian
at November 28, 2017 3:07 PM
I was trying to get some stats on evangelicals and early marriage. Well, here's one article, anyway:
My keywords: "evangelicals," "marriage," and "average age."
Try different uses of quotation marks.
lenona
at November 28, 2017 5:48 PM
I'll admit that was an interesting if clueless article Lenona. He pretty clearly doesn't want to deal with why people are getting married later in life.
And as an aside (not aimed at you Lenona) I wish people would start their charts on marriage before 1960. 1970 was a peak marriage time. Starting your dataset right at or just before an anomaly is dishonest.
Ben
at November 29, 2017 7:58 AM
Right. Economic and academic reasons, for starters. Not to mention that girls getting married in their teens has not been very common since the early 19th century or even earlier; the 1950s were the exception in the 20th century, not the rule. Currently, the median age for first time marriage is 27 for women and 29 for men.
Tangent: It's been common knowledge since the late 1970s that, in the age of birth control that's available even to teens, young men on average do NOT want to marry inexperienced women. They assume that any man or woman who hasn't done more than kiss another human being by age 25 is asexual, in the closet, severe trauma, or simply very unpopular. What's more, there's proof that men feel that way - if inexperience in women DID matter so much to men, one would think men would be doing what they did in the Middle Ages - that is, refusing to marry any woman older than 20.
(And the reason I don't say "virgin" is that I NEVER heard any real-life adult or teen use the word when I was a teen in the 1980s - my guess is that it was considered a puerile subject and just as pointless a subject as whether or not an adult has ever driven a car. Do we have a noun for such a person? No.)
lenona
at November 29, 2017 11:34 AM
Another I found:
"The Nauseating Push by Evangelicals for Early Marriage"
A new survey shows a dramatic shift in attitudes toward favoring gay marriage among a younger generation of white evangelicals, a group considered to be one of the most conservative on the issue.
Just a decade ago, the gap between younger evangelicals and older evangelicals on the issue was not wide, according to the Pew Research Center. But a new survey suggests that the generational divide has grown much wider, with about half of evangelicals born after 1964 now favoring gay marriage.
According to Pew, 47 percent of Generation X/millennial evangelicals (those born after 1964) favor gay marriage, compared with 26 percent of boomer and older evangelicals (those born between 1928 and 1964)...
The statistics, some evangelicals say, can no longer be ignored.
Eighty percent of young evangelicals have engaged in premarital sex, according to a new video from the National Association of Evangelicals. and almost a third of evangelicals’ unplanned pregnancies end in abortion.
It’s time to speak honestly about sex because abstinence campaigns and anti-abortion crusades often aren’t resonating in their own pews, evangelical leaders say...
...The occasion of the headlines was a recent book, Forbidden Fruit: Sex & Religion in the Lives of American Teenagers by Mark Regnerus, a professor of sociology at the University of Texas. Drawing upon the results of three national surveys of teenagers and 250 interviews he conducted, Regnerus found that self-identified "evangelical" teenagers are no less likely than their non-Evangelical peers to have sex. If anything, they're slightly more likely.
According to Regnerus' findings, whereas non-evangelical teens have sex for the first time at age 16.7, the average age for evangelical teens is 16.3. Even worse, evangelical teens are more likely to have had three or more sexual partners (13.7 percent) than their non-evangelical peers (8.9 percent)...
...Now, if getting married so as to avoid sexual sin strikes you as preposterous or, at least, a little extreme, you're not alone. Former Boundless editor Candice Watters learned this the hard away. After publishing a piece based entitled "The Cost of Delaying Marriage," Candice received e-mail you'd associate with suggesting that people invest with Michael Vick in a puppy mill. There was no shortage of reasons why the idea, to paraphrase Jiminy Cricket, was a lovely thought but not at all practical, but few, if any, that disputed the main thrust of the piece: Delaying marriage carries real personal and social costs...
lenona
at November 29, 2017 5:47 PM
"young men on average do NOT want to marry inexperienced women"
I'm gonna need a source for that one Lenona. I'll agree that marrying a virgin isn't important. But I've never heard any man even put forward the idea that they won't marry a virgin. I also wouldn't put much credence with the Regnerus survey. These are almost impossible to reproduce and 250 people is not a significant sample size. Long story short, people lie about sex. Teenagers most of all. So we have no real data.
As for the increasingly later age for marriage, "economic and academic reasons, for starters." Nope. Sorry but not a significant factor. The biggest issue is the high rate of divorce and the discriminatory nature of family law. Which is why men's age at first marriage is higher and rising faster. Men are just too gunshy to marry.
What is more interesting to me is while the marriage rate is falling the percentage of marriages that end in divorce has not moved since 1970. It is still at 50%. So of those marriages that didn't happen 50% of them would have lasted for a lifetime. Or more clearly, most people can't tell if a marriage is going to last.
Ben
at November 29, 2017 6:45 PM
I'm gonna need a source for that one Lenona.
__________________________________
Sex expert Eleanor Hamilton. She wrote, circa 1980, that young men were more afraid of marrying inexperienced women than experienced women. They just don't advertise that - other than their willingness to marry women well past their teens, as I said.
lenona
at November 30, 2017 7:05 PM
I'm afraid a quick search turns up bubkis on Eleanor Hamilton. I'm going to have to call bullshit on that claim. Men willing to marry older women neither supports or denies that claim. I still say men don't care.
Historically virginity was important for proving paternity. Read into that whatever you want. But given the limited options at the time it is what people chose. It was also more important to the upper/political classes specifically because they were interested in inheritance. If there was nothing to inherit then it quickly became a non-issue.
Ben
at December 1, 2017 6:32 AM
Maybe you should have bothered to throw in an extra keyword - like "sex"?
...she's a sex therapist who influenced this country's revolution in morals and manners during much of the past century.
She helped young women get contraceptives in the 1940s. Arranged private, semi-open adoptions long before they became legal. Participated in the Kinsey report on Americans' sex lives. Wrote a sex-and-love column for Modern Bride magazine in the 1960s. Published several books...
...Born Eleanor Poorman in Portland in 1909, Hamilton grew up in Oregon. But after graduating from the University of Oregon in 1930, she spent her career as an educator and psychologist in New York and California, returning to Oregon just five years ago.
Her books - from "Partners in Love" to "Sex Before Marriage" - earned her appearances on nearly every talk show, from Phil Donahue to Johnny Carson.
She suggested a call-in radio show on sex advice in the '70s. She knew the idea's time had come when another therapist hit the air in 1980. "Dr. Ruth" Westheimer is 19 years Hamilton's junior.
Hamilton's parents, Christian Scientists, paved the way for their daughter's unconventional path, encouraging independence and self-reliance...
(snip)
The book of hers I quoted (from page 124) was from 1978, as it turned out. It's "Sex, With Love: A Guide for Young People." Sentimental, to be sure, but there's quite a bit in it that you probably still won't find in "Changing Bodies, Changing Lives," such as stark listings of sexual stereotypes and myths - e.g. "black men make better lovers," "A man needs it and a woman doesn't - how about that!"
She also talked about false expectations of marriage - such as why people shouldn't expect their spouses to read their minds, much less get upset about it.
_________________________________
Men willing to marry older women neither supports or denies that claim. I still say men don't care.
__________________________________
If a woman is 30 years old and has never had sex, I can't imagine most men being willing to marry her - why would she have much of a libido AFTER marriage, with or without coaching? What's more, why would anyone be surprised to hear that any secular person over 21 IS experienced?
So if evangelical parents and leaders are pushing for early marriage, it's likely because they DON'T really expect men or women to postpone sex until age 25, and they don't want them to live "in sin."
I'm glad, at least, that you think men don't care much EITHER way, nowadays.
lenona
at December 1, 2017 12:41 PM
From pages 123-124 (from the chapter "Sex Myths"):
"If you sleep with a man he'll never marry you."
"A bride's virginity is her most precious dowry."
"A man should have experience; a woman, innocence (ignorance!). By the way, today men are more afraid of marrying a woman who is a virgin than the reverse. Virginity, in the minds of today's young men, may mean frigidity."
"Women are not supposed to enjoy sex."
"A woman is a baby making machine and loses her value as a human being if she is barren. Today the world needs fewer babies, not more, and we don't hear so much about 'barren' women."
"A woman is a whore if she sleeps with a man before marriage. But a man is supposed to 'try it out' with her before he leaps into marriage with her."
(Of course, that last myth clashes with two of the others - but who said myths were supposed to make sense? Two others that also clash are "First intercourse is excruciating." "First intercourse is heavenly.")
Another one, later on, about marriage: "If I love him enough, his character will improve."
"Freedom seed."
Crid at November 28, 2017 6:04 AM
This article is typically tepid analysis, but the caricature at the top is sensational.
Crid at November 28, 2017 6:09 AM
Christmas in Germany is so gay.
mpetrie98 at November 28, 2017 6:13 AM
Sorry, This is the article.
Turns out that illustration is by a friend of Cathy Seipps. It's fabulous... Those tiny, useless hands, that repellent haircut....
Crid at November 28, 2017 6:16 AM
For the nth time, they're not dolls, they're action figures.
https://nypost.com/2017/11/27/sex-robots-spark-rise-of-men-who-will-only-sleep-with-dolls/
Sixclaws at November 28, 2017 7:48 AM
Hey, media? why not try doing your actual job for once? the potential for government abuse of thise information gathering is ginormous, and as such it is almost assured that it will be abused. But no, we have to worry about Fauxcahantus' fee-fees.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/while-potus-tweets-dominate-headlines/
I R A Darth Aggie at November 28, 2017 8:01 AM
Christmas in America is so gay.
mpetrie98 at November 28, 2017 8:57 AM
War on whiteness continues apace.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/281871/
I R A Darth Aggie at November 28, 2017 9:12 AM
"they're not dolls, they're action figures"
Next up: a feminist robot company producing unattractive no-sex dolls that shriek PETA slogans when approached by a man.
After the inevitable bankruptcy look for their GoFundMe page and a press release blaming white patriarchy.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at November 28, 2017 9:29 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/opinion/sunday/my-brother-kevins-not-tired-of-winning.html
I R A Darth Aggie at November 28, 2017 10:27 AM
Road trip!
Oh, wait . . .
mpetrie98 at November 28, 2017 11:15 AM
Geez, you guys... "War"... Incompetence... teh gays...
The future has never been darker for America, amirite?
Crid at November 28, 2017 11:28 AM
"War on whiteness continues apace."
Crid at November 28, 2017 11:28 AM
Lena Dunham slammed for being a hipster racist by some sort of hipster-leader or ... something ... um, black feminist lives matter patriarchy oppression resist!
Hell, I don't know.
These people are so caught up with being outraged they're now knifing each other in public.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at November 28, 2017 12:19 PM
#womanspreading
mpetrie98 at November 28, 2017 12:51 PM
I remember reading about the gravity wave detection, and the neutron star collision back then, but this is just fantastic. Good luck with analyzing the mountains of data.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/two-stars-slammed-into-each-other-and-solved-half-of-astronomys-problems-what-comes-next/amp/
I R A Darth Aggie at November 28, 2017 1:02 PM
You're right, there is no war on whiteness.
http://www.captainsjournal.com/2017/11/27/if-you-are-a-white-male-nurse-evil-wants-you-to-die/
I R A Darth Aggie at November 28, 2017 1:04 PM
I'll never forget the first time a mortar landed next to me at the refrigerator as I was unwrapping a Kraft single.
It's Hell, y'know?
And you can never understand until you've walked a mile in my Keds.
> Hey, media?
Good luck out there.
Crid at November 28, 2017 2:10 PM
Funny thing about the racist ladysbrant at IRAs link is that women commit the majority of all domestic violence and nearly half of all sexual assaults
lujlp at November 28, 2017 2:29 PM
Oh my ketogenic GAWD!!
This looks awesomely yummy.
Extra points for the v.o.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at November 28, 2017 2:34 PM
And, once again, Dalrymple nails it on poverty sanctimony.
Conan the Grammarian at November 28, 2017 3:03 PM
Well, that would require a miracle.
It't not the mortar you've got to worry about. It's the freedom seed coming out of it.
And the Kraft Single. Those things'll kill ya.
Conan the Grammarian at November 28, 2017 3:07 PM
I was trying to get some stats on evangelicals and early marriage. Well, here's one article, anyway:
https://dougwils.com/s7-engaging-the-culture/7-reasons-young-men-marry-23rd-birthday.html
My keywords: "evangelicals," "marriage," and "average age."
Try different uses of quotation marks.
lenona at November 28, 2017 5:48 PM
I'll admit that was an interesting if clueless article Lenona. He pretty clearly doesn't want to deal with why people are getting married later in life.
And as an aside (not aimed at you Lenona) I wish people would start their charts on marriage before 1960. 1970 was a peak marriage time. Starting your dataset right at or just before an anomaly is dishonest.
Ben at November 29, 2017 7:58 AM
Right. Economic and academic reasons, for starters. Not to mention that girls getting married in their teens has not been very common since the early 19th century or even earlier; the 1950s were the exception in the 20th century, not the rule. Currently, the median age for first time marriage is 27 for women and 29 for men.
Tangent: It's been common knowledge since the late 1970s that, in the age of birth control that's available even to teens, young men on average do NOT want to marry inexperienced women. They assume that any man or woman who hasn't done more than kiss another human being by age 25 is asexual, in the closet, severe trauma, or simply very unpopular. What's more, there's proof that men feel that way - if inexperience in women DID matter so much to men, one would think men would be doing what they did in the Middle Ages - that is, refusing to marry any woman older than 20.
(And the reason I don't say "virgin" is that I NEVER heard any real-life adult or teen use the word when I was a teen in the 1980s - my guess is that it was considered a puerile subject and just as pointless a subject as whether or not an adult has ever driven a car. Do we have a noun for such a person? No.)
lenona at November 29, 2017 11:34 AM
Another I found:
"The Nauseating Push by Evangelicals for Early Marriage"
https://christianpundit.wordpress.com/2013/02/20/the-nauseating-push-by-evangelicals-for-early-marriage/
lenona at November 29, 2017 5:37 PM
"Poll shows a dramatic generational divide in white evangelical attitudes on gay marriage"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/06/27/there-is-now-a-dramatic-generational-divide-over-white-evangelical-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/?utm_term=.01a747791dbf
First paragraphs:
By Sarah Pulliam Bailey
A new survey shows a dramatic shift in attitudes toward favoring gay marriage among a younger generation of white evangelicals, a group considered to be one of the most conservative on the issue.
Just a decade ago, the gap between younger evangelicals and older evangelicals on the issue was not wide, according to the Pew Research Center. But a new survey suggests that the generational divide has grown much wider, with about half of evangelicals born after 1964 now favoring gay marriage.
According to Pew, 47 percent of Generation X/millennial evangelicals (those born after 1964) favor gay marriage, compared with 26 percent of boomer and older evangelicals (those born between 1928 and 1964)...
(snip)
lenona at November 29, 2017 5:39 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/evangelicals-say-its-time-for-frank-talk-about-sex/2012/04/19/gIQAQeuwTT_story.html?utm_term=.7bc576e62cfb
First paragraphs:
By Adelle M. Banks| Religion News Service
The statistics, some evangelicals say, can no longer be ignored.
Eighty percent of young evangelicals have engaged in premarital sex, according to a new video from the National Association of Evangelicals. and almost a third of evangelicals’ unplanned pregnancies end in abortion.
It’s time to speak honestly about sex because abstinence campaigns and anti-abortion crusades often aren’t resonating in their own pews, evangelical leaders say...
(snip)
lenona at November 29, 2017 5:41 PM
"A Peculiar People: Sex and the Young Christian"
http://www.boundless.org/relationships/2007/a-peculiar-people-sex-and-the-young-christian
THIS surprised me a bit:
...The occasion of the headlines was a recent book, Forbidden Fruit: Sex & Religion in the Lives of American Teenagers by Mark Regnerus, a professor of sociology at the University of Texas. Drawing upon the results of three national surveys of teenagers and 250 interviews he conducted, Regnerus found that self-identified "evangelical" teenagers are no less likely than their non-Evangelical peers to have sex. If anything, they're slightly more likely.
According to Regnerus' findings, whereas non-evangelical teens have sex for the first time at age 16.7, the average age for evangelical teens is 16.3. Even worse, evangelical teens are more likely to have had three or more sexual partners (13.7 percent) than their non-evangelical peers (8.9 percent)...
...Now, if getting married so as to avoid sexual sin strikes you as preposterous or, at least, a little extreme, you're not alone. Former Boundless editor Candice Watters learned this the hard away. After publishing a piece based entitled "The Cost of Delaying Marriage," Candice received e-mail you'd associate with suggesting that people invest with Michael Vick in a puppy mill. There was no shortage of reasons why the idea, to paraphrase Jiminy Cricket, was a lovely thought but not at all practical, but few, if any, that disputed the main thrust of the piece: Delaying marriage carries real personal and social costs...
lenona at November 29, 2017 5:47 PM
"young men on average do NOT want to marry inexperienced women"
I'm gonna need a source for that one Lenona. I'll agree that marrying a virgin isn't important. But I've never heard any man even put forward the idea that they won't marry a virgin. I also wouldn't put much credence with the Regnerus survey. These are almost impossible to reproduce and 250 people is not a significant sample size. Long story short, people lie about sex. Teenagers most of all. So we have no real data.
As for the increasingly later age for marriage, "economic and academic reasons, for starters." Nope. Sorry but not a significant factor. The biggest issue is the high rate of divorce and the discriminatory nature of family law. Which is why men's age at first marriage is higher and rising faster. Men are just too gunshy to marry.
What is more interesting to me is while the marriage rate is falling the percentage of marriages that end in divorce has not moved since 1970. It is still at 50%. So of those marriages that didn't happen 50% of them would have lasted for a lifetime. Or more clearly, most people can't tell if a marriage is going to last.
Ben at November 29, 2017 6:45 PM
I'm gonna need a source for that one Lenona.
__________________________________
Sex expert Eleanor Hamilton. She wrote, circa 1980, that young men were more afraid of marrying inexperienced women than experienced women. They just don't advertise that - other than their willingness to marry women well past their teens, as I said.
lenona at November 30, 2017 7:05 PM
I'm afraid a quick search turns up bubkis on Eleanor Hamilton. I'm going to have to call bullshit on that claim. Men willing to marry older women neither supports or denies that claim. I still say men don't care.
Historically virginity was important for proving paternity. Read into that whatever you want. But given the limited options at the time it is what people chose. It was also more important to the upper/political classes specifically because they were interested in inheritance. If there was nothing to inherit then it quickly became a non-issue.
Ben at December 1, 2017 6:32 AM
Maybe you should have bothered to throw in an extra keyword - like "sex"?
Born in 1909, she died in 2008.
From 2000:
http://web.kitsapsun.com/archive/2000/02-20/0060_her_topic__sex_and_the_single_non.html
Excerpts:
...she's a sex therapist who influenced this country's revolution in morals and manners during much of the past century.
She helped young women get contraceptives in the 1940s. Arranged private, semi-open adoptions long before they became legal. Participated in the Kinsey report on Americans' sex lives. Wrote a sex-and-love column for Modern Bride magazine in the 1960s. Published several books...
...Born Eleanor Poorman in Portland in 1909, Hamilton grew up in Oregon. But after graduating from the University of Oregon in 1930, she spent her career as an educator and psychologist in New York and California, returning to Oregon just five years ago.
Her books - from "Partners in Love" to "Sex Before Marriage" - earned her appearances on nearly every talk show, from Phil Donahue to Johnny Carson.
She suggested a call-in radio show on sex advice in the '70s. She knew the idea's time had come when another therapist hit the air in 1980. "Dr. Ruth" Westheimer is 19 years Hamilton's junior.
Hamilton's parents, Christian Scientists, paved the way for their daughter's unconventional path, encouraging independence and self-reliance...
(snip)
The book of hers I quoted (from page 124) was from 1978, as it turned out. It's "Sex, With Love: A Guide for Young People." Sentimental, to be sure, but there's quite a bit in it that you probably still won't find in "Changing Bodies, Changing Lives," such as stark listings of sexual stereotypes and myths - e.g. "black men make better lovers," "A man needs it and a woman doesn't - how about that!"
She also talked about false expectations of marriage - such as why people shouldn't expect their spouses to read their minds, much less get upset about it.
_________________________________
Men willing to marry older women neither supports or denies that claim. I still say men don't care.
__________________________________
If a woman is 30 years old and has never had sex, I can't imagine most men being willing to marry her - why would she have much of a libido AFTER marriage, with or without coaching? What's more, why would anyone be surprised to hear that any secular person over 21 IS experienced?
So if evangelical parents and leaders are pushing for early marriage, it's likely because they DON'T really expect men or women to postpone sex until age 25, and they don't want them to live "in sin."
I'm glad, at least, that you think men don't care much EITHER way, nowadays.
lenona at December 1, 2017 12:41 PM
From pages 123-124 (from the chapter "Sex Myths"):
"If you sleep with a man he'll never marry you."
"A bride's virginity is her most precious dowry."
"A man should have experience; a woman, innocence (ignorance!). By the way, today men are more afraid of marrying a woman who is a virgin than the reverse. Virginity, in the minds of today's young men, may mean frigidity."
"Women are not supposed to enjoy sex."
"A woman is a baby making machine and loses her value as a human being if she is barren. Today the world needs fewer babies, not more, and we don't hear so much about 'barren' women."
"A woman is a whore if she sleeps with a man before marriage. But a man is supposed to 'try it out' with her before he leaps into marriage with her."
(Of course, that last myth clashes with two of the others - but who said myths were supposed to make sense? Two others that also clash are "First intercourse is excruciating." "First intercourse is heavenly.")
Another one, later on, about marriage: "If I love him enough, his character will improve."
lenona at December 2, 2017 11:21 AM
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