Meeting With A Male Colleague At Work Now Has Rules Like Going To A Male Gynecologist
When you have a male gynecologist, he'll have a female nurse in the room while doing any procedures. It protects him from being accused of any funny business by you.
Well, Kyle Smith writes at the NY Post of a side-effect of "#metoo," and it's that men are no longer willing to be alone with female colleagues:
Consider what's happening in the capital of Florida. Female staffers and lobbyists have found "many male legislators will no longer meet with them privately," reported The Miami Herald. "I had a senator say, 'I need my aide here in the room because I need a chaperone,' " lobbyist Jennifer Green told the paper. "I said, 'Senator, why do you need a chaperone? . . . Do you feel uncomfortable around me?' 'Well,' he said, 'anyone can say anything with the door shut.' ""I'm getting the feeling that we're going back 20 years as female professionals," said Green, who owns her company. "I fully anticipate I'm going to be competing with another firm that is currently owned by some male, and the deciding factor is going to be: 'You don't want to hire a female lobbying firm in this environment.' "
...Across industries, "Several major companies have told us they are now limiting travel between the genders," Johnny Taylor, president of the Society for Human Resource Management, told the Chicago Tribune, citing execs who tell men not to go on business trips or share rental cars with women co-workers. UCLA psychologist Kim Elsesser, the author of "Sex and the Office," sees a nascent "sex partition." If men start to back away from women, at least in professional settings, it's difficult to see how that will aid the feminist cause.
Women of past generations worked so hard to be treated as men's equals.
Now every woman has to be looked at like a walking lit fuse.
All hail, progress!
UPDATE: Here's a surprise!
3x as many male managers are now uncomfortable mentoring women in the wake of #MeToo. This is a huge step in the wrong direction. We need more men to #MentorHer. https://t.co/RyPo0PBz7N
— Arianna Huffington (@ariannahuff) February 6, 2018
via @YeyoZa
Hosea 8:7
Wfjag at February 6, 2018 3:00 AM
By removing that frisson of 'play' between men and women, all it does is put women in the role of slightly smaller, dangerous business competitors who constantly complain about the temperature and engage in strange emotional displays, instead of being creatures 'delightfully different'.
They probably will not relish that role.
FIDO at February 6, 2018 6:25 AM
What Jennifer Green fails to appreciate is the third party complaint. If she goes into the senator's inner office with the door closed, just the two of them, then any other woman can decide on Green's behalf that she was sexually harassed or assaulted. The senator will have no defense, and Green's own denial will not constitute exculpatory evidence -- she'll be labeled as either a denier or a collaborator. In the #Metoo world, it is assumed, any time and a man and a woman are alone under any circumstances, that the man's intentions are explicitly sexual.
Are there any male OBGYN's left? We had a post yesterday where male nurses were mentioned. Pretty soon, nobody will have to worry about that any more. So many restrictions will be placed on male nurses administering care to women / children that they won't be able to do their jobs. Hospitals will get rid of them in favor of female nurses. They won't say out loud that they are doing that, but that is what it will be.
Cousin Dave at February 6, 2018 6:43 AM
FWIW, the rules are gender neutral, at least at my doc's practice. Her assistant comes into the room before my annual physical. Which means there are two women present for my prostate exam. Go equality!
pavetack at February 6, 2018 7:04 AM
Cousin Dave, I had an ex-girlfriend who used to say that the only reason a man becomes a gynecologist is so he can look at p***y all day long. But yes, there are still male OB/GYNs. My wife chose a male when she was expecting.
Fayd at February 6, 2018 7:07 AM
This is also a logical step by men now that "Every woman must be believed." Good work femiinists. You'll soon eliminate women's ability to compete for many high paying/status jobs. What is the next step in your strategy to limit women?
Jay at February 6, 2018 7:11 AM
This is also a logical step by men now that "Every woman must be believed." Good work femiinists. You'll soon eliminate women's ability to compete for many high paying/status jobs. What is the next step in your strategy to limit women?
Jay at February 6, 2018 7:12 AM
I had an ex-girlfriend who used to say that the only reason a man becomes a gynecologist is so he can look at p***y
Wrong. Except for a routine check up, OBGYNs get to see the vajayjay at its worst.
Ummm...one of the ads is for sugar free bacon. Ummm...bacon. Bacon > vajayjay.
I R A Darth Aggie at February 6, 2018 7:13 AM
Yeah, considering the shape some of that p***y is in... After all, people go to the doctor when they're sick. (And the list of possible malfunctions in that area is rather astounding.) GYN is no exception.
Cousin Dave at February 6, 2018 7:52 AM
It's a Scorched Earth approach from them.
If I can't have my happily ever after ending, then no one will.
Sixclaws at February 6, 2018 8:06 AM
Strangely, one stereotype that I've noticed about male OBGYN doctors is that they're big time womanizers.
Keep in mind that while they get to see plenty of peekachoos at their worst, they often tune them back to as best as it can be.
Sixclaws at February 6, 2018 8:19 AM
This is a smart move by any man. Men are looked at as guilty until proven innocent upon any accusation. Then if proven innocent...still kind of sort of guilty and looked at with a crooked eye. Two national cases come to mind in the Duke Lacrosse case and the Rolling Stone University of Virginia case. Have a female witness.
Dave M. at February 6, 2018 8:33 AM
Have a female witness.
On the one hand, since only 'women will be believed' the corollary is men will never be believed.
Ergo, a man needs a female witness. Sort of a reverse Islam who only believes 4 men in a rape case, but somehow will believe one woman over four men. (UVA anyone?)
HOWEVER, when I first read that sentence, my gut reaction is 'Are you flipping INSANE?' Now you have ANOTHER women who can be offended, hypersensitive, or try to convince the other woman to take otherwise banal comments in the worst possible light.
Society used to be 'what will settle matters down the most'. If Jim at work gets a bit too handsy, the woman can go to a rather large male friend or family member and...things get settled. Teamwork.
Now with identity politics, it is not 'what will settle things down and restore harmony', it is 'what will give me the most political juice and screw society'
This...is having predictable outcomes.
FIDO at February 6, 2018 8:55 AM
Ms. Huffington,
You can have your cake.
or
You can eat your cake.
You can demand a man provide both.
You are likely to be GRIEVOUSLY disappointed.
FIDO at February 6, 2018 8:59 AM
Ms. Huffington,
You can have your cake.
or
You can eat your cake.
Or you can marry a gay cake, as Arianna did.
Kevin at February 6, 2018 9:23 AM
Replying to @ariannahuff
Lady, for the last 50 years women have been telling men they dont need us, want us, or particularly like us.
Stop bitching about getting exactly what you said you wanted
lujlp at February 6, 2018 9:46 AM
Is being gay even a defense these days?
One would think but I'm not sure how irrational the Womyn have gotten.
FIDO at February 6, 2018 10:07 AM
Feminists would have us all pretend that women's sexual power over men does not exist.
Women will miss it when it's gone. They won't know what hit them.
The dark side of my nature is going to enjoy watching what happens.
Jay R at February 6, 2018 10:21 AM
They don't need to say anything. An ill-received comment or a hand in the wrong place is equal to a violent rape in the #metoo world. The man will never work again either way. So, it's worth his career to be in a room alone with her.
Conan the Grammarian at February 6, 2018 10:30 AM
"Go Ahead, Criticize #MeToo"
by Michelle Goldberg
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/opinion/go-ahead-criticize-metoo.html
She talks about Katie Roiphe's new essay in Harper's Magazine, for one.
Excerpt (this is about a third):
"...Some of the sentiments Roiphe describes are similar to things I’ve said in private conversations myself. I understand the hesitation to say them publicly, because it’s unpleasant to be jeered at on the internet by self-righteous young people. But Roiphe, like the Trump rally-goers, makes a category error in conflating criticism — even harsh, ugly criticism — with oppression. The social justice left is often accused of putting feelings over facts. But its critics, in many cases, are just as unwilling to distinguish FEELING silenced from actually being silenced.
"Despite the fears of some of Roiphe’s informants, plenty of women have questioned aspects of the #MeToo movement without demonstrable damage to their careers. Roiphe, far from being unable to speak, appeared on 'CBS Sunday Morning' this weekend to talk about the #MeToo 'thought police.' On the program, Roiphe seemed genuinely unnerved by the pre-publication furor over her piece. 'It felt like there was a mob with torches outside the window,' she said.
"Having run afoul of a Twitter mob or two myself, I know the feeling. But I also know that a virtual mob isn’t the same as a live one. The torches aren’t real, and in some cases neither are the people.
"This is important to remember, because social media can obscure the power dynamics of the offline world. It’s democratizing up to a point, for good and ill — it can give a platform to traditionally marginalized people, and allows all of us to be judged and insulted by masses of strangers. But influence on Twitter doesn’t necessarily translate to influence elsewhere..."
lenona at February 6, 2018 11:52 AM
Now, I'm a stunning physical specimen, a middle-aged Kouros... Proportioned in marble, but loose and dynamic. Chicks *dig* my athleticism. But these are the years we live in, y'know?
Well, I've been traveling a lot because of this thing... Short but distant trips at weird, unpredictable hours. And so a lot of the customer service types are fertile young women fresh out of high school or college, destined to climb the corporate ladder, but working for now on a lower rung.
And I've been delighted by how many are comfortable flirting with an older white guy, no matter how electrifying and attractive, during these months of litigious madness. That their charm is transparently contextual and essentially insincere is no more worrisome than it was thirty years ago. People want to play games and have fun. People want to practice.
A lot of this noise, a LOT of it, is media types --social, academic and otherwise-- desperate for something to write about. On the ground, I think decent people are doing about as well as they ever did.
Crid at February 6, 2018 12:12 PM
> And I've been delighted by how many are
> comfortable flirting with an older white guy, no
> matter how electrifying and attractive, during
> these months of litigious madness. That their
> charm is transparently contextual and essentially
> insincere is no more worrisome than it was thirty
> years ago. People want to play games and have fun.
> People want to practice.
There's no incentive or payoff for accusing a customer, whom one interacts with for a few minutes and then never sees again, of sexual harassment. Accusing a boss or coworker is a very different situation.
Snoopy at February 6, 2018 12:38 PM
Snooplemuffin, if you're a guy who wants to worry about such things (in a faux-wizened discourse about motives), I'm ready to believe your concern is appropriate.
Crid at February 6, 2018 1:14 PM
Crid,
If you are, as you say, a stud muffin, you need never worry. As a person drifting though a 'target rich' environment of women willing to toss their panties at you, it isn't likely a threat to you.
Follow the SNL three rules to avoid sexual harassment claims:
Be Handsome..
Be Attractive..
and Don't Be Unattractive.
FIDO at February 6, 2018 1:38 PM
> Follow the SNL three rules to avoid sexual
> harassment claims:
"men who are funny and charismatic and easy with women can get away with almost anything"
"Sexual harassment is a crime committed by beta-males who think they can get away with alpha behaviour"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3608577/Its-OK-for-alpha-males.html
Snoopy at February 6, 2018 3:18 PM
The whole mentoring thing is almost entirely women driven anyway.
Girls need mentoring.
Men need to mentor them.
Because of Jack and Jane, both graduates of the same program, the same semester, the same grades, Jack is expected to not need mentoring because cock. Jane is told, managers are told, they need to mentor Jane because vagina.
Girls, make sure you find a good mentor, and remember ladies, often time, women make the worse mentors as they want to keep you down or are chill girls.
jerry at February 6, 2018 4:51 PM
> it isn't likely a
> threat to you.
I was bullshitting.
How come men visiting this blog so o ften talk like it's a terrible burden to engage the opposite sex in a pattern of thoughtful, attentive empathy? They've been complaining about it for years.
Furthermore, "mentoring" is essentially frogwash, as was it's older cousin "role modelling"...
...Who lives in prison now!
Crid at February 6, 2018 5:49 PM
I'm a guy. I had a mentor for advice, training and who was my advocate in the company.
It gave me more opportunities than other people who were my peers or even, in one case, more senior than I was.
I still keep in touch with him 20 years later even after he retired when I need professional advice or just a great conversation.
I don't blame the men for feeling that way about the risks and I think the women are losing more than they care to admit, but it's situation out of an individuals control
FIDO at February 6, 2018 7:31 PM
'Senator, why do you need a chaperone? . . . Do you feel uncomfortable around me?'
...she said, giggling and tossing her hair. "Oh, you!".
Later, weeping at the Congressional inquiry ...
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at February 6, 2018 9:30 PM
It's all nuts. I know a guy who works in child care. Some mother was shocked, shocked that he would dare change a girl-baby's diaper. Yet she obviously had no qualms at the idea of a woman changing a boy-baby's diaper.
Feminists have deliberately tarred all men for the misdeeds of a few. The consequences are inevitable: men will do business mostly with other men, simple because we cannot know which women to trust, and which ones not. Add in the third-party problem that Amy mentions, and it's "game over" for female equality in the workplace.
a_random_guy at February 7, 2018 5:12 AM
"I had a mentor for advice, training and who was my advocate in the company."
I wish I had had that. Circumstances in the computer industry in the 1980s were such that few mentors were available. Most of us were all in the same age group.
I had a female protege at one point. They had assigned a more senior female to mentor her, but they clashed. She told me later that she had specifically asked for me. We worked well together. We went through some stretches of having to work in shifts in high-stress assignments, and we had a number of 2 AM rental-car rides together after completing a shift. She's a senior tech lead now. If it happened today, I would have to refuse.
Cousin Dave at February 7, 2018 6:36 AM
Conan the Grammarian at February 8, 2018 8:17 AM
I note not a single woman has posted on this topic.
It's a loser for them. A) They don't want to be sexually harassed...B) they want to advance in their careers with some career help...but totally uncontrollable and unrelated women are essentially ruining the prospects of having both because C)the toxic atmosphere of fear that these womyn are causing give the men some extremely legitimate complaints (and when coupled with what they see as male overreaction) they can't fault the men.
By the same token, if they attack the women fighting against sexual harassment...they still lose.
Life in the big city.
FIDO at February 8, 2018 8:59 AM
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