Ruth Bader Ginsburg On The Due Process That Went Missing For Men On Campus
People -- mostly women -- have come after me in most vicious ways on Twitter for calling for due process for those accused of sexual assault or improprieties on campus or elsewhere.
On campus, Title IX -- as interpreted by the frankly evil Obama era "Dear Colleague" letter and the financial blackmailing of colleges and universities that didn't comply -- led to an environment in which campus kangaroo courts prevailed. The accused were not allowed the basic rights in the Constitution and American jurisprudence -- resulting in the ruin of many men's education and lives.
Jeffrey Rosen interviews Ruth Bader Ginsburg at The Atlantic, and asks her about this:
Rosen: What about due process for the accused?Ginsburg: Well, that must not be ignored and it goes beyond sexual harassment. The person who is accused has a right to defend herself or himself, and we certainly should not lose sight of that. Recognizing that these are complaints that should be heard. There's been criticism of some college codes of conduct for not giving the accused person a fair opportunity to be heard, and that's one of the basic tenets of our system, as you know, everyone deserves a fair hearing.
Rosen: Are some of those criticisms of the college codes valid?
Ginsburg: Do I think they are? Yes.
Rosen: I think people are hungry for your thoughts about how to balance the values of due process against the need for increased gender equality.
Ginsburg: It's not one or the other. It's both. We have a system of justice where people who are accused get due process, so it's just applying to this field what we have applied generally.
On a side note, I think her response here is utter crap:
Rosen: Some women also fear backlash. They worry that women may have less opportunity for mentorship at work because guys are afraid of interacting with them. Is this valid or not?Ginsburg: Well, let me ask you--as a man--do you think that you will be hesitant to encourage women because of the #MeToo movement?
Rosen: On the contrary, I have felt, like many men, sensitized to the plight of women by hearing these stories and it seems like an entirely salutary thing.
What was crap about Ginsberg's response? She was asked about women being concerned that men will be more reluctant to interact with them, as they realize an unsubstantiated accusation can ruin their lives. So, she asked if Rosen, as a man, feels that way.
Frankly, I think it was Rosen's response to Ginsberg's question that was self-serving crap. Good for you, Rosen. You told the world what a great guy you are. You might have thrown in something about how evil, vile and oppressive men are, but still, you got your brownie points.
Patrick at February 20, 2018 4:36 AM
Agree Patrick. Ginsburg dodged the question but Rosen dove into a pile of poundMeToo BS face first.
Ben at February 20, 2018 6:34 AM
What was crap about that last Ginsburg reply was that she dodged the question. Instead of giving an answer, she threw the question back at Rosen. Yes, Rosen got his virtue-signaling opportunity out of it, but that's a different problem.
Cousin Dave at February 20, 2018 6:36 AM
Great minds think alike...
Cousin Dave at February 20, 2018 6:38 AM
So, just to be clear Ginsberg is a rape apologist for supporting due process for men accused of sexual misconduct/assault
lujlp at February 20, 2018 8:12 AM
Ruth Bader Ginsburg may be the only sane voice remaining on the Left. I don't always agree with her, seldom do actually, but she's not a screaming lunatic. As her longstanding friendship with Antonin Scalia indicates, she's able to leave politics at the doorstep and engage people who don't agree with her as fellow human beings.
Conan the Grammarian at February 20, 2018 8:36 AM
I don't see Ginsburg's response as dodging the question. She isn't a man, so she should be asked to speak for them? And even if she were, she could only speak to her experience as a man.
She might have been able to answer the question had she done some research at found either 1) yes, the majority of men in business are now hesitant to mentor females; or 2) no, the majority of men are not hesitant at all and instead, like Rosen purports to be, more determined than ever to be supportive.
Somehow, I don't think it's likely that she researched that question. So, what was she supposed to say? She could have given a weasel response and say, "It's a possibility that men will now be more reluctant to work closely with women in one-on-one settings."
Which, of course, only prompts questions like, "How strong a possibility?" and "What percentage of men will feel this way?"
The only acceptable response she could have given is, "I don't know."
Patrick at February 20, 2018 9:49 AM
Cousin Dave: Great minds think alike...
No. Great minds think for themselves.
Patrick at February 20, 2018 9:50 AM
You don't have to be a man to answer the question Patrick. Heck the actual question was about women and how they feel. And anyone with even a sketchy level of information about the subject should be aware of this viewpoint. Ginsburg didn't want to answer the question so she tossed it back to Rosen so he could give his scripted answer.
Ben at February 20, 2018 10:20 AM
The irrational hatred of men continues.
Purdue writing guide: Words with 'MAN' 'should be avoided'
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10539
Snoopy at February 20, 2018 10:34 AM
According to Feminist Current
America reallu, really hates women
And they ask the important question: who do they think they are with their maiden names and their loud boisterous unrestricted joyous laughter?!
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at February 20, 2018 11:18 PM
I don't think that women should be ignored. But in sex assault cases, which are mostly "he-said-she-said", there is NO way to cut the process short without giving advantage to one side. In the case of college sex assaults, there is now a huge advantage for women. An accusation is now considered proof. That is massively wrong. And universities which made the error of believing the accusation are paying massive massive settlements to men for depriving them of their rights. Watch the case "Yale basketball Montague". Yale falsely charged him with sex assault 13 months after the event, even though the woman did NOT want the charge to be made.
Rocky the flying squirrel at February 22, 2018 5:27 AM
"No. Great minds think for themselves."
Well, prepare to be disappointed when you find out an idea of yours isn't new.
Radwaste at February 23, 2018 9:16 PM
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