Socialism Chic -- The Hot Fashion Of Young Ignoramuses
Not just young ignoramuses, of course, but very popular with the young ones, especially.
"These days you can't swing a dead kulak without hitting someone who's really, really into socialism..." Historically illiterate 18 to 29-year-olds, especially, have a vague idea of socialism & see it as a comforting solution to the chaos of change via tech to various industries. https://t.co/bxZEY4ahPn
— Amy Alkon (@amyalkon) September 14, 2018
Gillespie writes at Reason:
We may be arriving at a period Joseph Schumpeter warned about in his 1942 masterpiece, Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy. Marx believed that capitalism would "immiserate" proletarians so badly that workers would finally gain true class consciousness, revolt, and commandeer the means of production. Schumpeter thought that was empirically wrong--"the capitalist achievement does not typically consist in providing more silk stockings for queens but in bringing them within reach of factory girls," he wrote--but he was convinced that capitalism would defeat itself by creating a society that took wealth creation and rising living standards for granted. Capitalism would die not because of its failure to deliver the good life but because of its success at mainstreaming general wealth.Capitalism, Schumpeter famously argued, was built upon "the gale of creative destruction...a process of industrial mutation that incessantly revolutionizes the economic structure from within, incessantly destroying the old one, incessantly creating a new one." Such nonstop "turmoil" causes all sorts of social, cultural, and economic dislocations, is constantly upending established interests, and wears people out until they vote to straitjacket economic change in the name of social calm. You can hear echoes of that today, and not just from Bernie Sanders and other self-proclaimed socialists. Even Donald Trump spoke for the "forgotten American" left behind by "globalists" who cared more about the poor in foreign countries than the poor in the upper Midwest. There are good reasons to doubt that we're living in a particularly volatile global labor market, but the reigning narrative on both the right and the left is that we're in the thick of a period when whole industries rise and fall on an almost hourly basis. That sort of panic makes socialism, which promises to smooth out, control, and direct things to a greater or smaller degree, attractive. At least someone (other than Rich Uncle Pennybags) will be in charge, right?
...Libertarians rightly point out that market forces have been mostly pushing things in a positive direction, especially for the poorest and least-connected among us. Historian Nancy MacLean can generate a fanciful and error-ridden book arguing that school choice is a diabolical plot designed to resegregate America, but those of us who look seriously at what choice and competition can do for K-12 education have a strong argument that such market-like forces improve outcomes, especially for low-income Americans of color. A smaller, more limited government that ends cronyism in the public and private sectors, replaces traditional welfare with unrestricted cash grants to people in need, ends the drug war and a thousand other petty means of social control, and opens borders to trade and people is a libertarian program that I suspect would interest many people who are looking at socialism as a possible answer to today's problems.
I don't expect to ever change the mind of a committed socialist. But libertarians can't expect to engage, much less persuade, anyone flirting with socialism if we simply invoke Stalin, the Great Leap Forward, or even Hugo Chavez every time socialism gets mentioned.
Sigh.
"But libertarians can't expect to engage, much less persuade, anyone flirting with socialism if we simply invoke Stalin, the Great Leap Forward, or even Hugo Chavez every time socialism gets mentioned."
I am aware of an argument in which the SJW insisted there was no government in the USSR/Russia before Stalin. No citation could change her stance.
I have been called a racist for posting a link to the Bureau of Justice statistics Web pages, for quoting Abraham Lincoln, for pointing out the difference between Stonewall and Andrew Jackson, and for asking a snowflake what group had the highest single motherhood rate. That last one started a meltdown.
It is too important to signal virtue to do any research - and it's not like these kids have had serious history classes, anyway. And, Civics? Honda makes those!
So how DO you "engage" someone who has no idea whatsoever what has already happened?
Radwaste at September 14, 2018 7:56 AM
To riff on Rad's point, this is why school choice is so vitally important. Schools in the US are essentially identical. You could take teachers and their administrators from New York and swap them with ones in New Orleans and not notice a difference. Essentially all differences in US public schools come from the students and their parents. The schools themselves are identical. And this monopoly of education has the same effect as a monopoly in any other area. Quality decreases, costs rise, and corruption grows.
Ben at September 14, 2018 9:00 AM
But libertarians can't expect to engage, much less persuade, anyone flirting with socialism if we simply invoke Stalin, the Great Leap Forward, or even Hugo Chavez every time socialism gets mentioned.
Oh, I dunno. Death by starvation, death by starvation, and death by starvation. Are we seeing a commonality? oh? what's that? not True Communism?
Then how about Ortega in Nicaragua? he shoots protesters. Cuba? call the Las Damas de Blanco and see how they're being treated. Narrator: Poorly. And if you're black in Cuba? oh, that's bad.
One should also point out that Hugo's daughter became the richest person in Venezuela. How'd that happen? Narrator: theft.
Here's the thing: if you're not a party member, and more specifically, not in the upper crust of the party, life isn't all that good. It's better to be a party member, since there are some perks. But when you let someone else determine what you need, you'll be very surprised at how much they feel you don't really need.
But all our little snowflakes believe that it'll be different this time, or more likely, in the party's upper crust.
A little perspective is needed: http://michaelpramirez.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-dream-venezuelas-nightmare.html
I R A Darth Aggie at September 14, 2018 10:37 AM
Ben Says:
"You could take teachers and their administrators from New York and swap them with ones in New Orleans and not notice a difference."
I don't think this statement implies what you think it does.
If everyone is being properly educated with factual information this is exactly what one should expect to happen.
I certainly wouldn't expect to notice a difference in mathematics between New York and New Orleans for example.
The only way I would expect a difference is if one or both was teaching mathematics in a highly unusual way (for example in New York they learn a base 10 numerical system and everything in New Orleans is taught in binary... but why would that be desirable???)
"And this monopoly of education has the same effect as a monopoly in any other area. Quality decreases, costs rise, and corruption grows."
This argument doesn't make any sense in the context you are using it.
The process of education largely includes teaching things that have facts and evidence to support them.
The monopoly you are talking about here is simply a consequence that the things like the laws of physics all across the globe being identical... I for one don't want students in one region of the country learning proper physics and others learning that objects fall because of the gravity gnomes.
Ironically, if in fact it were possible to discern where someone learned a particular set of "facts" it would be far more concerning because many of those "facts" would in reality be incorrect.
Artemis at September 14, 2018 10:56 AM
The eternally ignorant Artemis. Yes the first line means exactly what I say it means. Your reading comprehension is your own problem. I was noting the schools are uniform. That one area is not significantly different from another. So observed problems cannot be dismissed as a local phenomenon. If they are all the same then they share the same problems.
"The process of education largely includes teaching things that have facts and evidence to support them."
You obviously know nothing about US public education. In fact the lack of this is the biggest problem with US public education.
"The monopoly you are talking about here is simply a consequence that the things like the laws of physics all across the globe being identical..."
Bullshit. If that were true then things would be universal across the planet. They aren't. Things are universal in the US because they are driven by a federal bureaucracy.
Please educate yourself about a topic before you embarrass yourself again. The quality of US public education is average at best. (We are roughly on par with Mexico or Russia.) And the quality as measured by objective testing has been falling for decades.
Ben at September 14, 2018 11:38 AM
In a wealthy country, it is very tempting for the young to not understand a) how it got that way and b) how individuals got rich. Capitalism is nothing more than individual initiative and the free exchange of goods. I make something and people buy it or they don't. Simple. This is not orderly and people fear disorder and unemployment, so they are tempted by promises of security. But imposed order and security are always (always) at the expense of individual initiative, creativity, and progress. Europe has chosen to have higher security than the US (like almost impossible to fire employees) but the cost is that companies don't hire, there is very low innovation, and unemployment has for 30 years been consistently higher than in the US.
If you are 23 yrs old and see a well-off guy, you don't see that he worked his butt off in school and spent decades working his way up, or perhaps invested all his money in starting a business. They don't see that this other guy worked 2 jobs and never went out to eat and painted his own house. They only see the end result. For lazy people, it is less work to simply whine about inequality since working that hard seems "unfair".
cc at September 14, 2018 11:50 AM
Socialism is based on a teenager's outlook on the world.
The teenager snits that Mom and Dad won't buy him an iPad because they're mean. Not that they're trying to save for his college or pay the mortgage the keeps a roof over his head.
The socialist snits that everyone should have iPads 'cause it's only "fair" that everyone have the same access to things. And if society can't afford it, tax the people that have more to pay for it.
The schools in the US operate on the same principal. It's not "fair" that Jaime understands math well enough to take calculus at 15 while classmate, Pete, is still struggling through geometry. So, all students are advanced through "age-appropriate" subjects at the same rate. Schools hold the overachievers back so the underachievers don't feel bad.
Conan the Grammarian at September 14, 2018 12:59 PM
'Socialist' Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Wears $3,500 Outfit For Photo Shoot With Construction Workers:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/35872/socialist-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wears-3500-joseph-curl
Jay J. Hector at September 14, 2018 2:38 PM
It is a two pronged reason why the young feel socialism is great.
1. It has been how they have been living for most if not all of their life. Mom and Dad or big Daddy gov't has paid for what they have for practically their whole life. They didn't work to buy their dinner, and often they never saw anyone work for it either. The working world is completely separated from their life.
2. the real worrisome way educators in the US are practically identical and interchangeable, their politics. They are pro socialism and teach its great and capitalism is evil.
Some say they should do their research instead of listening to their teachers and textbooks. Doubtful, but where? movies and media? They are pro socialism too. From the news, eh half are pro socialism.
Joe j at September 14, 2018 4:17 PM
Ben Says:
"The eternally ignorant Artemis. Yes the first line means exactly what I say it means. Your reading comprehension is your own problem. I was noting the schools are uniform. That one area is not significantly different from another."
And you are a moron.
I fully understood what you meant and I was pointing out that if people are being educated with factual information you would not expect education to be substantially different from location to location.
You seek to apply Econ 101 to every possible scenario as if it is deeply insightful or useful.
Notice I say Econ 101 and not as if you have some deep understanding of free market economics or any other type of economics for that matter.
You see extremely basic economic theory as a means to dissect the whole of the world... but the reality is that there are many situations where it simply does not apply.
Education happens to be one of those areas.
Also... I will point out that in our last conversation you whined and moaned about how we do not hold civil conversations... but you are always the one who resorts to insults right out of the gate.
It simply is not possible to be civil with you because you are an uncivil person.
Artemis at September 14, 2018 9:39 PM
Ben Says:
"Please educate yourself about a topic before you embarrass yourself again. The quality of US public education is average at best. (We are roughly on par with Mexico or Russia.) And the quality as measured by objective testing has been falling for decades."
Alright genius... please provide a reference that places the US public education system near Mexico in terms of rankings.
You talk a big game, but you never seem to get anything right.
The WEF for example ranks the US as #39 for primary education while Mexico and Russia are #74 and #62 respectively.
How exactly is that "roughly on par"???... the ranking separation between the US and Mexico for example is the same as between the US and the #4 ranked nation... is the US also "roughly on par" with the 4th best country on the list (that would be the Netherlands by the way)?
Furthermore the #1 nation is Finland. In case you are wondering, the educational system in Finland is described in the following way:
"The Finnish strategy for achieving equality and excellence in education has been based on constructing a publicly funded comprehensive school system with selecting, tracking, or streaming students during their common basic education."
Needless to say, like usual the facts do not support what you are saying. You appear to be wrong on all counts... and yet here you are again bragging about how other folks need to be educated.
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GCR2016-2017/05FullReport/TheGlobalCompetitivenessReport2016-2017_FINAL.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland
ARtemis at September 14, 2018 10:20 PM
Oh, damn, an Artemis comment.
Dude(tte), the intentional lowering of American school standards has been shown here. Go back and read, and stop arguing about essential mediocrity.
You’re simply not going to show that the American public is informed.
Radwaste at September 15, 2018 1:41 AM
Radwaste Says,
"the intentional lowering of American school standards has been shown here."
There is a difference between "shown" and "asserted"
Neither you nor Ben have actually "shown" anything in terms of evidence to support your position.
What you have done is just asserted a position that happens to be incorrect based upon the data.
What you need to do is read the links I provided that show that everything you and Ben have "asserted" happens to be uninformed nonsense.
If you want to claim that the US education system needs improvement that is fine... but you are claiming the problem is somehow related to socialism.
However that doesn't actually pass muster when one evaluates the facts.
Finland is #1 for education... here is what they do:
"Finland has had access to free universal daycare for children aged eight months to five years in place since 1990, and a year of "preschool/kindergarten" at age six, since 1996. "Daycare" includes both full-day childcare centers and municipal playgrounds with adult supervision where parents can accompany the child. Municipalities also pay mothers who wish to do so to remain at home and provide "home daycare" for the first three years. In some cases this includes occasional visits from a careworker to see that the environment is appropriate."
"Teachers, who are fully unionized, follow state curriculum guidelines but are accorded a great deal of autonomy as to methods of instruction and are even allowed to choose their own textbooks."
"Classes are small, seldom more than twenty pupils."
Have you noticed that all of the things that they do that lead to success involve significant societal investment and government oversight?
That is the exact opposite of what you and Ben propose is the root cause of the problem in the US.
Ben for example described the fundamental issue being the uniformity due to control by the "federal bureaucracy".
However Finlad has *more* not less goverment oversight and involvement and that country is ranked #1... in fact you will find all/most of the countries ranked higher than the US have more money and government involvement in the system.
The problem with US education is lack of financial support during early child development, class sizes being too large (30+ students per teacher... which is 50% more than the mandated maximum in Finland for example), etc...
The argument that somehow "socialism" is the problem for education doesn't hold water when we look at the countries that are successful... free univeral daycare for all children isn't a "capitalist" solution.
The only one bringing facts to the table here has been me... and the facts show that what you are asserting is just you and Ben talking our of your asses.
I am still waiting for a shred of evidence that the US educational system is ranked "roughly on par" to Mexico or Russia... that is just made up BS.
Artemis at September 15, 2018 4:30 AM
Radwaste Says,
"You’re simply not going to show that the American public is informed."
Just to be clear... I am not claiming the American Public is informed... this blog on it's own proves that many folks are VERY uninformed.
My contention is that what you and Ben claim is the cause of this problem is completely unsupported by the data.
If you and Ben were correct, the countries that rank highest for education wouldn't also happen to be the ones that pay some of the highest teacher salaries, have some of the highest taxes, have the most government sponsered daycare, etc...
If you guys were correct counties like Finland, Iceland, Norway, Denmark etc... would all be at the bottom of the heap instead of t the top.
The evidence suggests that your position is wrong.
This isn't a debate about the existence of a problem, it is a debate about the root cause.
Artemis at September 15, 2018 4:38 AM
"The evidence suggests that your position is wrong."
Nope. But there isn't any point in interacting with you. So wallow in your ignorance.
Ben at September 15, 2018 6:47 AM
"Neither you nor Ben have actually "shown" anything in terms of evidence to support your position."
No, idiot, I didn't have to. Amy provided the link and the discussion. I guess you weren't here.
And WOW here come the Scandinavians again. Yay!
Let's be Norway! Or Finland? (Not Sweden.)
Radwaste at September 15, 2018 8:48 AM
Let it go Rad. It's Artemis. Note he hasn't actually refuted anything I wrote. Instead he built a strawman and attached my name to it. Yay, he won against his own strawman. Good for him. I actually agree with him that his strawman is wrong. Unfortunately Artemis is also wrong. But what is the point of interacting? His ego cannot accept that he is ever wrong. You'll just get some multipage diatribe over some point he misunderstood. What is the point?
Ben at September 15, 2018 9:36 AM
Ben Says:
"Nope. But there isn't any point in interacting with you. So wallow in your ignorance."
You must be illiterate as well.
The country ranked #1 for education is Finland.
In Finland they have the following things:
1 - Free childcare through the age of 5 (or a salary for stay at home parents for the first 3 years)
2 - Free college tuition
3 - Teachers are fully unionized
4 - Government regulation and oversight of the educational system
These are all policies that go against your argument that somehow the US educational system is failing because it is in some sense too "socialist".
The way the educational system is setup in Finland has all of the policies being proposed by folks you call socialists in the US.
If you were in any way correct Finland shouldn't even be close to the top... it is #1 in this category.
Artemis at September 15, 2018 1:47 PM
Radwaste Says:
"No, idiot, I didn't have to. Amy provided the link and the discussion. I guess you weren't here."
Nothing Amy linked to has any evidence either.
This is all the article states:
"those of us who look seriously at what choice and competition can do for K-12 education have a strong argument that such market-like forces improve outcomes, especially for low-income Americans of color."
That is known as an assertion... it is just a claim.
You still need evidence to support that claim... and there is no evidence presented... they just say they can make a "strong argument", but they do not actually make one.
The data suggests they are wrong because the highest ranked countries do not use market forces to drive education.
If they were even close to correct the top ranked countries for education wouldn't have massing publicly funded safety nets and educational systems.
Artemis at September 15, 2018 1:54 PM
Ben Says:
"Note he hasn't actually refuted anything I wrote."
I didn't???
I am pretty sure that I provided data that shows that the US educational system is in fact not "on par" with Mexico or Russia as you asserted (again without evidence).
Did you miss that part?
You understand the difference between a claim and evidence, right?
One is just something someone says... the other is proof in support of the claim.
All you have is a faith based position, you have presented no evidence to actually support your position.
Even Radwastes contention that Amy somehow presented evidence isn't accurate... her article just makes a claim that you are choosing to parrot.
Any moron can just repeat a baseless claim made by someone else. If you can prove your case then please do so.
The problem with the US educational system isn't a lack of market forces... it is a lack of funding and support.
When teachers in the US have to spend money out of their own pocket to provide pencils and other school supplies to the students in their classrooms then you know it isn't being properly funded.
If their argument was even close to being on target they could point to exemplar counties that prove their model... but the best ranked nations do things in things in a manner that is the exact opposite of a market driven philosophy.
Artemis at September 15, 2018 2:01 PM
Radwaste Says:
"And WOW here come the Scandinavians again. Yay!
Let's be Norway! Or Finland? (Not Sweden.)"
Finland is ranked #1
Norway is ranked #11
Iceland is ranked #7
Netherlands is ranked #4
Switzerland is ranked #8
So yes... let's try and learn from the counties that are actually succeeding in this area.
You would have us believe that the system these couties use could not possibly work... and yet they are flooding the top of the list.
It is usually smart to try and learn from those who are doing better than you... not assert that everything they are doing couldn't possibly work when they have already proven that it does.
What exactly is your objection to data based policy decisions?
Incidentally why don't you like Sweden, they are also ranked higher than the US?
Artemis at September 15, 2018 2:12 PM
“So yes... let's try and learn from the counties that are actually succeeding in this area.
You would have us believe that the system these couties use could not possibly work... and yet they are flooding the top of the list.”
What you will learn is it isn't the system, or the teachers. It is the homogenous nature of the students, the general level of intelligence and the cultural values of the parents and the students.
Bring in 20 percent students from illiterate
Tribal cultures, and see how fast those rankings drop.
Isab at September 15, 2018 7:07 PM
Isab Says:
"It is the homogenous nature of the students, the general level of intelligence and the cultural values of the parents and the students."
Are you really trying to argue that these countries do well on standardized tests because they are white europeans?
Good grief.
It is the "tribal cultures" bringing the US down??? really???
I'm not going to say it, but you know what you are.
Artemis at September 15, 2018 11:06 PM
Isab,
Even if you want to disregard all of those countries for unsubstantiated reasons associated with ethnicity... it will not assist you in disregarding Canada, which is ranked #9.
Here is a quote on how Canada does things to achieve these results:
"It is a remarkably consistent system. As well as little variation between rich and poor students, there is very little variation in results between schools, compared with the average for developed countries."
In other words… competition and market forces aren't driving their success.
Uniformity, equity, and communal financial investment are.
That is precisely the opposite of what one should expect given the unsubstantiated arguments put forth within this thread that simply assert that somehow free market economics is what is needed to fix education in the US.
There are no example countries in the top 10 of the rankings that use such a system.
The belief that econ 101 can resolve all social ills is just a religious one... it is a faith based belief... none of the data actually supports this position.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40708421
Artemis at September 15, 2018 11:38 PM
Be well Artemis.
Ben at September 16, 2018 6:24 AM
Breathtaking ignorance of the cultural differences that DRIVE social desires, Artemis.
And, once again, foolish person: Amy didn't link HERE to educational enstupidation - it's in her history.
I'll dispose of your objection to this and to Isab with this link; follow the sublinks, please, even as your sense of what is right and proper is challenged by a view from someone who has travelled extensively and done more homework than either of us (I expect you to go on and on and on about how Fred is mean, or not a "real" writer or something).
The wondrous advantages of Scandinavia were explored here. I'm fairly sure you've never been there; I visited Norway in 1985. Don't miss Jeff Guinn's comment about the burger.
Radwaste at September 16, 2018 8:23 AM
Is that really a sign that the government is shortchanging schools? Could it be a sign that school systems are not spending their funding efficiently?
More likely, it's a sign that parents are transferring the responsibility of providing basic school supplies (pencils, paper, etc.) to the schools and, by default, the teachers.
When I was a kid, the responsibility of having a pencil and paper in class was mine. Teachers told us flat out that they would not provide pencils or paper. My parents bought bulk packs of notebook paper, pencils, and ballpoint pens for my siblings and me to use at school. Perhaps today's parents no longer regard providing their children with basic school supplies as their responsibility.
Conan the Grammarian at September 16, 2018 9:18 AM
Ben Says:
"Be well Artemis."
Thank you for the well wishes Ben... I am still waiting for one shred of data/evidence that supports your claim that the US educational system is "on par" with Mexico.
Artemis at September 16, 2018 12:17 PM
Radwaste Says:
"Breathtaking ignorance of the cultural differences that DRIVE social desires, Artemis."
If the problem is culture Radwaste… then market forces aren't the solution either.
You cannot use competition and supply and demand to change culture values regarding education.
Apparently you are too irrational to recognize that locking yourself to Isab's ethnic/cultural argument you also completely undermine your original market driven solution.
Either way you end up wrong.
Artemis at September 16, 2018 12:19 PM
Radwaste Says:
"I visited Norway in 1985."
Which implies what exactly?... that you understand the educational environment that people in their 50's were exposed to?
Is that what we are talking about here... the ignorance of people in their 40's?
Your knowledge is completely out of date and you do not even realize it.
In case you weren't aware, someone turning 18 this year was born in 2000... those are the people who are being evaluated for educational rankings.
Those people were never even exposed to whatever educational policy existed 15 years prior to their birth.
In many of the countries we are talking about, the policies of interest were instituted in the 1990's... a full decade after you went for a visit.
Quite simply put, your own personal experience is out of date.
The data speaks for itself, none of the evidence actually supports your position.
Artemis at September 16, 2018 12:26 PM
Radwaste,
Just to be clear... you keep shifting the goal posts when it comes to providing data and evidence in support of your position.
First I ask you for evidence and you say the following:
"No, idiot, I didn't have to. Amy provided the link and the discussion. I guess you weren't here."
Okay... so you provided no evidence... but your claim Amy did in her link in this discussion.
When I show you that the provided link also provides no evidence you now shift the goal posts as follows:
"Amy didn't link HERE to educational enstupidation - it's in her history."
So now the data is somewhere uncited in this conversation but exists somewhere in the 10+ year history of this blog and it isn't your responsibility to actually support your contentions because the information exists "somewhere".
Just to be clear... saying that Amy "provided the link" isn't analogous to "Amy didn't link HERE".
You just fully understand that you have zero data to actually support your faith-based argument.
If you had data you would present it.
I mean, why even mention that you visited Norway once 33 years ago as if that is at all relevant when you could in principle provide actual data.
I am the only one here who has presented data, evidence, and statistics in thie thread and all of it refutes your claims.
Why are you so opposed to facts and evidence when they violate your faith-based argument?
Artemis at September 16, 2018 1:06 PM
What a waste of time.
If I say you are completely correct about everything, Artemis, will you go away, back to petting Mr. Whiskers if he will let you, and cease taking forever to make what you alone think is the point? Will you stop asserting things about others that are not true?
Nah. You haven't up to this point.
What a millennial - I must guide you by the hand through this blog? What else? Do you want me to enter Google searches for you, totally helpless yet strangely assertive, er, person?
1) Socialist policies in Scandinavia are expensive, far beyond what is apparent here. It only takes ONE VISIT to see how this is expressed in prices, since you don't believe a link. GO THERE AND SEE. Only a person with no personal experiences think they don't count.
2) American schools ARE being enstupidated; perhaps, being a product of one, you cannot see that. Colleges offer classes with no possible path forward to paying back loans with the proceeds from the offered career, their tuition rises exactly in step with state funding from lottery proceeds, their administrative staffing has ballooned out of all proportion to attendance, and this is obvious everywhere you look... if only you would look.
But those schools will tell you how wonderful you are...
...they lied.
You're wasting syllables, phonemes, character count. Please stop.
(And not for me. You haven't scored a counterpoint, you've just wasted time.)
Radwaste at September 17, 2018 2:18 PM
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