Being "Cancelled" Is Forever
Roger Scruton writes at UnHerd about the unforgiving, compassionless times we're living in in cyberspace:
The archive of your crimes is stored in cyberspace, and however much you may have confessed to them and sworn to change, they will pursue you for the rest of your life, just as long as someone has an interest in drawing attention to them. And when the mob turns on you, it is with a pitiless intensity that bears no relation to the objective seriousness of your fault. A word out of place, a hasty judgment, a slip of the tongue -- whatever the fault might be, it is sufficient, once picked upon, to put you beyond the pale of human sympathy.
As I note in a piece I'm writing now, there's no apologizing, no learning the error of your ways (if you even erred and weren't just decided to have erred by the mob). Scruton puts it this way:
Your accusers are not interested in your deeds; they are interested in you, and in the crucial fact about you, which is whether or not you are "one of us". Your faults cannot be overcome by voluntary action, since they adhere to the kind of thing that you are. And you reveal what you are in the words that define you.
His solution is a temporary one I just advised a friend to use (who angered a mob). It's one I use. When under attack, sometimes it's best just to take a hiatus from whatever service you're on.
If you don't reply, there's no conversation.
Yes, they are likely to call your boss or businesses you work for, but as I told my friend, everybody's used to the idea that people call out people on social media for alleged horrors -- horrors that often are not even true or are "horrors" only to those turning someone in for them.
To be human is to err. I think people should think twice about joining a mob of any kind on social media. You'd be just one person joining in with a remark -- but combined with all the other remarks, well, there will come a day when some sensitive soul kills themselves in real life because of some onslaught on them in the virtual one.
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Loaded up Google to find a list of cancelled people to see if there was anyone I actually miss but then thought omigod what am I doing???
Anyway, top-of-head, I want Louis CK back. He was funny, and as of last December's bootlegged club show, he still is. What he did was weird, and not something for which he'll be admired, and is probably in some context illegal or at least legally actionable.
But he didn't do it to me, which is a big consideration for a offenses of that category... The non-violent sexual conduct of distant strangers category. If the women want to pursue the matter legally, or his business partners want to get after him for squandering their shared investments, it's got nothing to do with me.
Also, the Azari guy obviously got burned for no good reason, but since I'd never heard of him theretofore, it's hard to imagine what a corrective opportunity would be.
Anybody know if Weinstein is in jail? Wiki says—
No.
Crid at September 24, 2019 12:26 AM
Okay, more in the spirit of the post: David Edelstein. Wiki says he's still working:
I'd thought he'd been shamed out of public life, but all he lost was a single radio gig. (PS-- I never liked Terry Gross.)(I haven't liked NPR since about June of 1977.)
Crid at September 24, 2019 12:48 AM
Joy-Ann Reid was forgiven.
Patrick at September 24, 2019 4:19 AM
I listened to George Takei compare Trump to an orangutan last night on NPR. It was instructive. He spoke with such vehement hatred about the president, not constructive and well-thought criticisms, but highly emotional hatred.
Then, I remembered a tweet by Denise McAllister that I'd read a while back: "The problem here is broader than Trump. It shows that liberals invest too much in the federal government. When they like the politician, they invest too much hope. When they hate him or her, they invest too much fear and despair. They have made the State their God or their Devil."
Exhibit Number 1
Exhibit Number 2
Conan the Grammarian at September 24, 2019 4:26 AM
Takei used to have a pretty funny Facebook feed. Not anymore. The Left is allowing the monster that they built to eat their souls.
The Left puts all of their hopes and dreams in the federal government, because the Left is about one thing: absolute power. How can you exercise absolute power in a nation where power has been devolved? You can't. Hence the drive that we've seen for the past century to centralize political power in Washington, and cultural power in New York and Los Angeles. If some other party succeeds in seizing one of those centers of power, that's a severe setback for the Left. (If that other party succeeds in re-devolving power, that's a death blow.)
Make no mistake: the Left does not love the concept of America. It covets American resources, but it has no love whatsoever for American principles. When America, and Western civilization in general, succeeds, it means the Left has failed. The Left is all in for the fall of the West, and it will settle for nothing less.
Cousin Dave at September 24, 2019 6:23 AM
Those are some creepy books Conan. But illustrative.
Ben at September 24, 2019 7:25 AM
Our Gracious Hostess: I think people should think twice about joining a mob of any kind on social media.
Or twice or thrice.
And people should remember that no matter how skilled at political nastiness they think they are, there's always, always going to be someone nastier. That's true whether you're playing politics online, on campus, or in the office.
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com) at September 24, 2019 7:28 AM
Oh, I think that joining a social media mob is always evil. Period. Just a sip of evil if you are but one voice of thousands, and full-on soul-rotting evil if you attempt to get someone fired or doxx them.
RigelDog at September 24, 2019 8:59 AM
We're watching the working out of the ethics and morals of a strange new religion that has gripped the world.
We're passing from a West that was at least marinated in Christian ethics if not in Christian religious belief to the generation that finally has none of that. The schools certainly don't teach anything that would look like it came from an Abrahamic religion.
Who is at fault in a case before the court? Whoever is the greater victim is the angel; whoever is not the victim is the devil - and automatically wrong.
Look at the noise regarding the white guy pummeled to death this week: The scribes and keepers of this new religious understanding explain that a group of teenage black boys are justified in beating a 59-year-old white man to death because they allege he said the "N-word" when refusing their demand for his money, and that word made them fear for their lives, so they beat him to death.
This new religion loves youth because they have no track record of opinions - they are mindless idiots who do exactly what they are told TODAY.
Yet, 10 years on, they'll have a track record, and the acceptable views will have shifted - because the entire game is proximity to the center of the maelstrom of ever-changing views - and they'll be consumed by the new angry mob for having voiced perfectly-acceptable views demanded of the mob in the past. Examples:
What would happen if somebody brought up a video of one of the Democrat front runners demanding a separate-but-equal "civil union" legislation to avoid the use of the term "marriage" but keeping all the benefits? End of the career!
What would happen if somebody brought up a video of one of the Democrat front runners demanding a curtailment of immigration as Obama did to protect the wages of the bottom of American society? Racism! He's through!
You can't even go and pay the priests at the temple for forgiveness; you would think they would have gone with the "sacred sex" route - pay and purchase an hour with the priestess - but there's not even that route.
There is no forgiveness in this strange new religion - they just expect you to apologize, admit guilt, and die.
El Verde Loco at September 24, 2019 11:53 AM
Like Joy Reid, that'll be forgiven. They've grown and become more open minded you see. That's an exception, as those people are still potentially useful. Anyone else? excommunicado.
We'll see if Joltin' Joe Biden survives his Ukrainian (and Chinese) entanglements.
I R A Darth Aggie at September 24, 2019 12:47 PM
"I think people should think twice about joining a mob of any kind on social media."
How do you convince anybody that they're not individual examples of enlightenment and worth...
...like your regulars? ;)
Point out that they haven't done any reading? At least we do that.
Radwaste at September 24, 2019 1:11 PM
> "They have made the State
> their God or their Devil."
I think Coney's McAllister is right. Human beings are born subordinate to irresistible authority; we're supposed to grow out of it, but of course many of us do not, as we'd expect of an animal form: There are offspring for every beast who simply will not thrive, and who will want the comforts of adulthood to be the same as the ones of childhood.
So they grow up and demand centralized authority in every context, and only later figure out how much fun it is to tell distant people how to live.
And only later than that realize that they personally, don't like being told how to live.
Crid at September 24, 2019 3:27 PM
"only later than that realize that they personally, don't like being told how to live"
I'm totally on board with the save-the-environment stuff but how long before Greta "For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee" Thunberg figures this one out?
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at September 24, 2019 3:51 PM
✓ Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com) at September 24, 2019 7:28 AM
Crid at September 24, 2019 7:02 PM
The Scruton piece inspired me to repost the poem "Into Our Town the Hangman Came", with commentary about its relevance to the current Cancel Culture:
https://ricochet.com/679357/when-they-came-for-those-other-people/#comments
David Foster at September 25, 2019 1:29 PM
It won't be forever.
SJW mobbing has been a feature of online communities for several years now. Eventually people recognized that their behavior was disingenuous and malicious and stopped rewarding them.
That trend would have petered out if the media hadn't revived it in the aftermath of #MeToo. But I can see that the public is catching on as well. And the actions of Google, Twitter, TY and FB have really clarified the true motive - control of poltical speech and purging of political dissidents.
At this point it's just a matter of people being willing to acknowledge that it's all a lie, that we all know that these mobs aren't acting in good faith.
What's really sick about the whole thing is that they're humiliating all of the causes they claim to represent. They've all been turned into cynical excuses for the thrill of degrading people.
maura at September 26, 2019 10:56 AM
"They've all been turned into cynical excuses for the thrill of degrading people"
Indeed, in many cases the main motivation for these attacks is the sick pleasure of going after a socially-approved target.
See my post Conformity, Cruelty, and Political Activism:
https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/57600.html
David Foster at September 26, 2019 1:47 PM
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