The New "Bigotry"
Crazy. If you are a lesbian who is not into penis, this makes you...a lesbian! Not a bigot.
— Amy Alkon (@amyalkon) March 1, 2020
I'm not particularly into blond guys. I'm not bigoted against blonds. I'm just not very attracted to them.
Reality: You can treat all people w/dignity but not want to have sex with them. https://t.co/XSDSOnbS0u
Maggie McNeill explains the upshot of this well:
Nobody, repeat NOBODY, has the right to demand anyone else have sex with them or anyone else, any more than they have the right to stop anyone from having sex with consenting partners or policing their reasons for having sex.Furthermore, to make such a demand, or to insult and socially pressure people for refusing sexual contact with some others, demonstrates an utter disregard for the most basic principles of consent.
It's not only reprehensible and, frankly, disgusting; it is the mindset of a rapist, and nobody with the faintest modicum of respect for individual rights should tolerate it in even the slightest degree.
It's weird how things go full circle... the LGTB+ movement has ironically become homophobic.
Which is why you get lots of "drop the T" movements and people going back to just LG or LBG....
NicoleK at March 2, 2020 10:40 PM
Especially in younger years, a whole lot of socializing consists of applying subtle pressures to each other regarding how our sexuality works, or ought to work. (Where's Cam Paglia while all this is going on?)
Being woke doesn't make that go away, certainly not in the minds of spirited men capable of ironic thinking, or in the thoughts of spirited women who see the world as it is.
Daring others to transgress the preciousness of the word "consent" isn't going to get anyone into Heaven. Accepting only things that are plainly, simplistically, understandably true won't equip you to navigate the human heart. In every (human) venture worthy of achievement, you're going to deal with nuance, shades of meaning, and deceptions both petty and grand. You'll not be permitted to insist that things be comfortable, obvious and flattering.
Hitchens took a lesson from the technocrats in Kennedy's Cuban misadventures, a principle which belongs in every toolkit:
"Always look to the language."
Let's try it out!—
Well, golly, Miss…- 'Reprehensible' is really strong language for a sexual event of unspecified context.
- But if we accept your judgment stipulation, 'disgust' will follow in our agreement even without your sacrificial 'frankness'.
- It just breaks our hearts to think you're not always 'frank' when sharing unremarkable conversation.
This woman's wiggling too much— Demands for sex aren't the same as insults. A promisingly liberal approach to sex is about independent strength, not about demands for a tepidly agreeable culture.Crid at March 3, 2020 12:42 AM
Crid at March 3, 2020 12:43 AM
"The heart has its reasons which reason knows nothing of...." - Blaise Pascal
You cannot dictate attraction. Not everything is subject to human whim.
People have been decrying the laws of attraction for years. Feminists have been decrying men being attracted to younger women - two women in one of my social circles have decried the same, lamenting their inability to find men interested in dating older women. Nerds complain that all the pretty girls want to date the jocks while ignoring the nerdy girls standing beside them, girls who also want to date the jocks.
Putting a name to not wanting your date to reveal genitalia which does not attract you is not furthering this argument. Nor is "disgust" at those who insist that genitalia should not matter - or at those who insist it should, and does.
Life is like a crowded bar. We're all out there just trying to find a date, for a night or for a lifetime. And maybe have a little fun in the search.
Conan the Grammarian at March 3, 2020 4:21 AM
“People have been decrying the laws of attraction for years. Feminists have been decrying men being attracted to younger women - two women in one of my social circles have decried the same, lamenting their inability to find men interested in dating older women”
Want to find someone to date? Be someone interesting, that someone interesting might want to date. I’ve got a husband, but also several close friends who are men. Some, younger, some older, and if I was in the market, I would not be even close to lonely. They all shoot so we bond over that.
Thing is, I don’t need a meal ticket, and most likely never will, so I guess I don’t reek of desperation. Probably the key right there.
Isab at March 3, 2020 4:41 AM
Are they Incels?
I R A Darth Aggie at March 3, 2020 7:04 AM
The proper answer to someone who asks you for sex that you're not in the least bit interested is "no".
If they call you names, then the answer becomes "go fuck a cactus". If they insist on making a scene, point and laugh. What was it that Alinsky said? Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.
I R A Darth Aggie at March 3, 2020 7:22 AM
@IRA,
Femcels.
Sixclaws at March 3, 2020 7:24 AM
Femcels?!! At least they're not STEMcels.
Meanwhile,
https://twitter.com/Tyler2ONeil/status/1234447776714502145
And the followup:
Oh.
I R A Darth Aggie at March 3, 2020 8:37 AM
Umm are prostitutes allowed to refuse service?
Bill O Rights at March 3, 2020 1:15 PM
First we were asked to tolerate. Later that was not enough and affirmation was demanded. Now even that is not enough and unless you are willing to suck transvestite dick you are a transphobe. What a brave new world.
Shtetl G at March 3, 2020 1:38 PM
Is sex with a stranger a right? If it is, then no, prostitutes cannot refuse service. That's why I don't like making someone else's livelihood into someone else's right.
We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to You by Kinky Friedman.
Conan the Grammarian at March 3, 2020 3:15 PM
Messed up the link: We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service to You by Kinky Freidman.
Conan the Grammarian at March 3, 2020 3:17 PM
Ok, so I am a transphobe. So what? Go f*ck yourself. Literally.
Sticks and stones, people. Stick and stones ...
Jay R at March 3, 2020 3:22 PM
In a similar vein, no one has the "right" to a spouse; one only has the right to try to FIND a spouse/supporter/homemaker. Or to find a spouse who agrees that both of you will work outside the home.
Which is why certain people need to think harder about what they're asking women to do when the former try to re-glorify the role of wife and mother. After all, plenty of men don't want children, and those men often don't see any point in getting married. (Not to mention those men who don't mind having kids - so long as they don't have to feed them OR get married. That means would-be housewives have to search harder for the men who are left.)
When could middle-class, white women actually expect to stay at home and not help out their husbands with some pink-collar job? When it was practically mandatory for MEN to marry - and to support their wives completely if they could.
From columnist and journalism professor Ellen Willis, in 1985:
"...it's only recently, and only in some cultures and classes, that marriage and parenthood have been truly voluntary for large numbers of men. Having a family used to be the ticket to adulthood and full membership in the community. Bachelorhood was suspect. Divorce was hard to get, stigmatized, and expensive; society couldn't afford to have too many dependent women and children lose their patrons."
lenona at March 3, 2020 4:03 PM
And yes, I know that self-described liberals sometimes tell men to "man up" (you'll never catch ME using that term; I dislike political slang across the board), but it was conservative Kay Hymowitz who got the ball rolling so badly; her book is "Manning Up: How the Rise of Women Has Turned Men Into Boys."
lenona at March 3, 2020 4:34 PM
"Umm are prostitutes allowed to refuse service?"
Depends - is having sex more or less of an expressive than baking a wedding cake?
"unless you are willing to suck transvestite dick you are a transphobe. What a brave new world."
You hit the nail on the head. "Everybody belongs to everybody" - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World.
I'm pretty sure this is the absolute best proof of the slippery slope argument I've seen this year. In roughly we've gone from persecuting sexual aberration to calls to make it mandatory. Tolerance eats itself and the left contradicts itself once again.
Consent only matters anymore when it's withheld for woke reasons.
bw1 at March 4, 2020 6:20 PM
"In a similar vein, no one has the "right" to a spouse"
Well...in SOME societies where all marriages are arranged, one might achieve an aproximation of such a right.
"it's only recently, and only in some cultures and classes, that marriage and parenthood have been truly voluntary"
Interesting how those cultures are in decline while the ones that still expect people to exercise longer time preferences with their lives and fertility are ascendant. Because that's what we're really talking about here - making and raising the next generation involves sacrificing a lot of opportunity and autonomy, but that sacrifice is what one does when one cares about what happens in the world after one is no longer around to be impacted by events. Your hostility to the woman who posted about the joy of being a stay at home mom is understandable in this context.
bw1 at March 4, 2020 6:21 PM
"Interesting how those cultures are in decline "
Fade, infidel sluts
The righteously yoked own Earth
Paradise of rules!
Haiku / Gesundheit
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at March 4, 2020 7:41 PM
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