When Merit Comes Second
Rig a system so race and culture -- certain races and certain origins -- are a finger on the scale for college admissions, and suddenly, well there will be a lot of Anglo Saxons and others who suddenly "remember" a Cree ancestor back in their lineage.
Intelligent.com reports that:
•34% of white Americans who applied to colleges or universities admit to lying about being a racial minority on their application•48% of people who lied claimed to be Native American
•3/4 of people who faked being a racial minority on their applications were accepted by the colleges to which they lied
The post notes:
Every year, aspiring college students complete admissions applications, with the hopes that their grades, extracurriculars, and recommendations will lift them above the pack, and earn them acceptance at the school of their choice.However, some college applicants are misrepresenting their race in an effort to use their desired school's diversity efforts to gain admission, or obtain more financial aid.
...The number one reason why applicants faked minority status is to improve their chances of getting accepted (81%). Fifty percent also lied to benefit from minority-focused financial aid.
...Twice as many men as women claimed Native American heritage on their applications (54% compared to 24%). Meanwhile, one in four women (24%) claimed to be Latino. Women are also more than twice as likely as men to pretend to be Black (18% compared to 8%).
According to Intelligent.com Managing Editor Kristen Scatton, the prevalence of applicants who claim Native American ancestry is possibly due to the popular narrative that for many Americans, a small percentage of their DNA comes from a Native American tribe.
"For college applicants who are trying to give their application a boost by pretending to be a racial minority, they may seize on this notion that many Americans of European descent have some Native American DNA in their bloodline," Scatton says. "However, research has shown that's not all that common, particularly among white Americans. But applicants are banking on the fact that no college is going to ask them to provide a DNA sample to verify."
This just vile. Poor white kids -- like a guy I knew who grew up in Appalachia whose family was so poor, they shot squirrels so they'd have meat to eat -- struggle with all they have going against them to get good grades and get into college, and some twat who games this neo-racist system will take their place.
I grew up with two black twins -- children of a wealthy doctor, I believe -- who lived in the fancy new houses in our area. They were both smart as hell and high achievers -- in everything they did: band, athletics, etc. These girls have black skin but were vastly more advantaged than the white guy from Appalachia. By the way, best I can recall, they went to Ivy schools -- because they had the smarts and grades for it, not because anybody gave them a handout.
This race-based admissions thing supposedly makes up for poor education throughout K-12 -- only it doesn't. The corrective thing to do is to give disadvantaged kids the help they need to make it on merit -- rather than lipsticking over the results of failing schools by admitting kids who may even flunk out of colleges if they are admitted on skin color rather than the merit other kids need to get in.
via ifeminists
Hey, look!
Barack Obama claimed to be from Kenya to get into Harvard.
Must be the right thing to do!
Radwaste at October 31, 2021 11:28 PM
Also add in the sad fact that a large portion of 'African American' college students are not inner city youths/ descendants of US slaves but are 1st generation immigrants.
This tosses into question all racial makeups of all schools and businesses. Asian students need to learn this if they aren't already doing it.
Joe J at November 1, 2021 12:22 AM
I'll cop to this.
It wasn't so much a lie as confusion... my whole life I'd been told I was part Native American, so I thought it was true. In addition, in k-12 we were taught about the one-drop rule, but not that it only applied to Black ancestry so I thought a drop of anything made you not really white. So I checked both boxes on some forms. I don't remember if I did on my college applications or SATs or which ones, but I know I did in some places.
Then in College I learned better and so stopped and since then I've just checked White.
I think this has everything to do with how race is taught in schools.
Anyhow, I did 23andme and it turns out I'm not part Native American, I'm (very small amounts) part Black, so I'm guessing the lie was spread because someone was passing.
NicoleK at November 1, 2021 12:29 AM
Word of caution: Do not go by DNA ancestry blindly. Those companies have admitted to just guessing/making it up if your DNA has no source in their sample database.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcboston.com/news/local/dna-kits-yield-different-results-from-different-genetics-companies/125109/%3famp
GarfKY at November 1, 2021 5:18 AM
Thanks for the info... I also noticed that if I wait several months before checking in, my composition changes. Like I'm now almost all French and German, which only makes sense if someone on my Dad's side had an affair or got raped or something... which of course is possible.
NicoleK at November 1, 2021 5:41 AM
Somehow-and this wasn't me- both Hispanic and pacific islander got checked on my kids school records when we moved. No chance in hell I'm correcting that. They are Hispanic, but we will sure as heck make sure their applications match their school records come college time. ,
Momof4 at November 1, 2021 5:59 AM
I was told my whole life that I was part Native American because I was actually part Native American. Family from Oklahoma and had a great Grandfather that was Cherokee. Now I grew up in Texas, born in the mid-60's, so not long after segregation was still a real thing. I never in my entire K-12 time was taught the one drop rule as something that applied to the present and have serious doubts that it was "taught" anywhere else except maybe at home. I have always checked the white box on forms because that is how I identify and everyone who sees my red hair blue eyed countenance will identify me. I never considered some small amount of Native American dna to really be significant other than as an interesting part of my ancestry.
causticf at November 1, 2021 8:30 AM
I do t care if someone is an enrolled member of a tribe—if they didn’t grow up on the Rez, eating commodities, they don’t count.
KateC at November 1, 2021 8:39 AM
Anyhow, I did 23andme and it turns out I'm not part Native American, I'm (very small amounts) part Black, so I'm guessing the lie was spread because someone was passing.
NicoleK at November 1, 2021 12:29 AM
23 and me is notoriously poor at detecting North American Indigenous American ancestry. I don’t believe they have enough of the genes in their data base. For a much more refined snapshot of your ancestry, download your genes into GED match. It is free.
Isab at November 1, 2021 8:58 AM
Then you don't care is someone is a native american or not, KateC. Shows how the classification is worthless. Schools should stop discriminating based on race. It doesn't 'pay back' or 'even the scales'. It just makes them racists.
Ben at November 1, 2021 9:00 AM
I suppose I could claim to be part native American, though I am from a different region than this disclaimer: doo ahashyaa da.
PS: ADF is a nice guy
Radwaste at November 1, 2021 9:14 AM
It was in Sri Lanka I believe that there was no ethnic violence until one ethnic group was favored for gov jobs, then all hell broke loose.
In places where there are set asides for ethnic groups, those not favored view them as not working hard at the jobs they are given, whether true or not I can't say. Resentment and social division: unintended consequence or goal?
cc at November 1, 2021 9:33 AM
When I was in elementary school, we had to fill out forms that asked for our race. They only used the letters A, M and N and you were supposed to check the one that applied. At the time, I assumed "A" meant African, "M" meant Mexican and "N" meant Neither. Of course, I chose Neither. Imagine my shock when it was explained (months later) that A stood for Anglo and N was for Negro. (And I don't know why they didn't write the whole word out on the form. I wonder how many other kids did the same thing I did. Did someone notice our school had a sudden increase in our Black population?)
Fayd at November 1, 2021 9:40 AM
Pretty funny Fayd. I'm reminded of when I was in elementary and they asked us to write down how much money our parents make. I thought of the biggest number I could think of and doubled it. After all we were doing quite well. The school had a different opinion on what a roughly $20k income represented.
Ben at November 1, 2021 11:43 AM
I'll check it out Isab.
Either way, though, like causticf, it'd be an interesting tidbit though not really significant.
NicoleK at November 1, 2021 11:50 AM
I'll check it out Isab.
Either way, though, like causticf, it'd be an interesting tidbit though not really significant.
NicoleK at November 1, 2021 11:50 AM
Most of our genetic inheritance has nothing to do with our phenotype.
A lot of people who identify as African American culturally would be shocked to find out that the lion’s share of their ancestry is European.
Which is why the whole racial spoils system is such a crock.
Isab at November 1, 2021 12:50 PM
I don't think they'd be shocked, I mean the rape of female slaves is not exactly a secret...
NicoleK at November 1, 2021 2:36 PM
I don't think they'd be shocked, I mean the rape of female slaves is not exactly a secret...
NicoleK at November 1, 2021 2:36 PM
I think that assumption ( that the majority of racial mixing is the result of slave rape) is one of the major problems with the socialist view of history. We all have slave and slaver ancestry, and it has very little to do with the color of our skin.
Isab at November 1, 2021 4:33 PM
Sex and gender are biological, race is a social construct.
Jess at November 2, 2021 5:47 AM
There is not enough amer indian DNA in the databases because some indian activists convinced indians that this was stealing their identity or something so they won't give samples.
A number I saw was 18% of black DNA in US is white, but looking around, it sure seems higher than that. The west african origin of most slaves was Bantu who are quite dark. By the way, slavery is bad enough, but imagine the mindset of a slave owner who gets his slaves pregnant with the full knowledge that his children will then be slaves. Making these children overseers or cooks does not even it out. How horrific!
cc at November 2, 2021 8:10 AM
Did the GEDMatch. You called it, Isab!
NicoleK at November 2, 2021 1:32 PM
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