Nearly Beloved
Her boyfriend of four years is still married. That's fine. She just gets a little ticked off when he mentions it at family gatherings. Here's an excerpt from my Advice Goddess column I just posted:
Nothing says “You’re the one!” quite like a marriage certificate inscribed with the name of the other “one.”Marriage generally signifies a lifelong commitment to another person (unless the two people marrying are Hollywood stars, in which case, it may signify a weekend commitment). Remaining legally married to one woman is typically a major impediment to becoming the long-term, live-in boyfriend of another. While relationships do come in varying forms these days, a guy with an interest in spending all or part of the rest of his life with somebody would be wise (and kind) to first dispense with spending the rest of his life with somebody else.
Did you really need to wait for your boyfriend to rub your nose in his marital status to notice you were smelling something, and it wasn’t the April Fresh Scent of Downy? Perhaps there’s some compelling reason they’re still officially together -- like, if they divorce, the little girl won’t inherit Great Uncle Nutso’s bazillions. Or, perhaps it has more to do with the four years you’ve spent underreacting to their marriage, to the tune of Kumbaya. Evidently, you were fine with him having his cake, and your cake, too -- providing he didn’t advertise it: “Family, gather round, say hello to my mistress! Grandma, you remember my concubine?”
How lovely that you’re “good friends” with his wife. What do you two talk about, how he misses the bowl, and whether his herpes has cleared up yet? Obviously, relationship communism -- what’s yours is hers, and what’s hers is officially hers -- is a failed experiment. It’s one thing if you truly don’t care. It’s another thing entirely, if, between group hugs, you’re building up a Chernobyl-like core of resentment because you can’t even squeeze bigamy out of the guy.
The reader question and the rest of my answer are here.
Oh yeah, while we're at it, here's my second question from that week, All’s Fare In Love And War.
How much is too much on the first date? I’m fine with splurging on a woman I care about, just not a near stranger. Isn’t paying for romantic extras (flowers, expensive meals) before you know someone a bit ridiculous?--Romance, Not Finance
The idea is getting to know a girl, not getting to know how she takes her caviar. The best way to do that is to invite her out for a drink, as opposed to squeezing questions between courses at some restaurant that charges a car payment for a plate of premature carrots. An ideal first date leaves her wanting more -- while providing you with a graceful out in case 10 minutes with her leaves you wanting less. A moderately priced evening is also less likely to make her feel pressured to have sex with you. (Note that feeling pressured and feeling compelled to follow through are two very different things.) And, yes, coffee is technically considered a drink, but remember, there may be a chance to go in for a little lip action at the end of a date. To tilt the odds in your favor, see to it that you won’t be making your move in the height of the afternoon in the parking lot next to Chuck E. Cheese’s.
©2005-2006, Amy Alkon, The Advice Goddess, all rights reserved.







Regarding "Romance, Not Finance," there is just no way to win. Some girls would love flowers on a first date, others would see it as trying too hard. Some girls like the idea of coffee dates, others see it as cheap. You just have to date lots and lots of women knowing that 90% won't be into you for the stupidest of reasons in the world.
nash at March 16, 2006 7:42 AM
" Some girls like the idea of coffee dates, others see it as cheap."
If that's the case, you know what she is looking for...
Gary Steiger at March 16, 2006 11:27 AM
A girl who "loves flowers on the first date" isn't thinking with her brain. A guy doesn't know you, yet gets you flowers? This is like getting flowers for a stranger you meet on the street. A first date should be an opportunity to get to know somebody, not an opportunity to bribe them into liking you. A girl who expects some big outlay is a girl you don't want. When I met Gregg (at the Apple Computer store at The Grove), he asked me to go for a coffee at the Farmer's Market. That was all it took. Because he had a biz trip that evening, we had a first date scheduled a week later, but we never left my house. I had no idea what kind of car he drove, how much money he made, or any of that stuff -- because, while I wouldn't be interested in some lazy, unemployed slug (because that person wouldn't be my equal), I was looking for a boyfriend, not a cash machine.
Amy Alkon at March 16, 2006 1:23 PM
Exactly, Amy!
And flowers generally really freak me out. Especially if the guy brings them to you in a public place (which is normal for my NYC dates where no one has a car)- then you have to carry them around and feel retarded. And on a first date, it's waaay to soon to bring flowers.
That said, I did get flowers once on what was technically a first date with a guy I had already hung out with casually a few times... purple roses. So beautiful.
MissPinkKate at March 16, 2006 6:21 PM
But a guy you've hung out with -- who knows you enough to know the kind of flowers you'd probably like -- that's different. I don't like frou-frou arrangements (death to baby's breath!), and I hate flowers that make my house smell like the ladies' bathroom. While there is that "it's the thought that counts" thing -- it's even nicer if the flowers reflect that a guy "gets" you to some degree.
Amy Alkon at March 16, 2006 8:01 PM
A rooster will often find a little grub or worm and pick it up and drop it while calling out to the nearest hens, even ones paired with other roosters, in a bid to attract a mate. Now I've never had the pleasure of a worm on the first date, however, one rose is very sweet and a nice gesture. Ha ha once I even got a bag of dog food, I swear.
chicknlady at March 17, 2006 1:13 AM
Chickenlady: Great story. Next time I'm on a (second) date I'll bring a bottle of mezcal with a worm inside.
nash at March 17, 2006 2:39 AM
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