Do You Agree With Peggy Noonan?
Noonan doesn't see what all the fuss is about, and thinks Obama's friendship with and mentorship by Wright shouldn't be the deciding factor in the election.
Noonan writes in the WSJ that she disagrees with what Wright said (in her words, "The U.S. government did not spread AIDS among the black community, 9/11 was not the chickens coming home to roost, etc.") and she disapproves of his remarks, too, but...
I do not feel a sense of honest anger or violation at his remarks, in part because I don't think his views carry deep implications for our country. I have been watching America up close for many years - if you count a bright childhood, for half a century. I have seen, heard and respected the pain of a people who were forced to come here when they did not want to and made to live in a way that no one would want to. Who could deny them their grief or anger? I have seen radicalism and extremism, too. I have seen Stokely Carmichael, the Black Panthers, the Black National Anthem, Malcolm X, James Baldwin, Louis Farrakhan. I came to see their radicalism as, putting the morality of policy based on rage aside, essentially unhelpful and impractical. It wouldn't work as an American movement, not long-term. Hatred plays itself out, has power in the short-term but is nonsustaining in the long. America, and this is one of its glories, has a conscience to which an appeal can be made. It may take a long time, it may take centuries, but in the end we try hard to do the right thing, and everyone knows it. Hatred is a form of energy that does not fuel this machine and cannot make it run.And all the time I was watching the old days of rage, blacks in America were rising, joining the professions, becoming middle class, assuming authority, becoming professors and doctors. No one is surprised anymore to meet a powerful man or woman who devises systems by which others should live - that would be a politician - who is black.
I came to think all the talk of radicalism and extremism amounted to little, and was in the end rejected by the very people it was meant to rouse. They didn't buy it.
This week I talked to a young man, an Irish-American to whom I said, "Am I wrong not to feel anger about Wright?" He more or less saw it as I do, but for a different reason, or from different experience.
He said he figures Mr. Wright's followers delight in him the same way he delights in the Wolfe Tones, the Irish folk group named for the 18th-century leader condemned to death by the British occupying forces, as they say on their Web site. They sing songs about the Brits and how they subjugated the Irish and we'll rise up and trounce the bastards.
...Is this terrible? I don't think so. It's human and messy and warm-blooded, as a human would be.
The thing is to not let your affiliation with bitterness govern you, so that you leave the Wolfe Tones concert and punch an Englishman in the nose. In this connection it can be noted there is no apparent record of people leaving a Wright sermon and punching anyone in the nose. Maybe they're in search of solidarity too. Maybe they're showing loyalty too.







Hmmm. Jeremiah Wright:
Uh huh. Just like the Wolf Tones. Peggy Noonan is on drugs.
Jeff at May 5, 2008 5:33 AM
Krauthammer's take on Obama's recent excision of Wright:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050102900.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Amy Alkon at May 5, 2008 8:17 AM
Krauthammer's take is pretty rough, unless you realize that Obama is a politician who needs to do things for political reasons (i.e., if you aren't a kool-aid drinker who thinks he is the second coming, these things shouldn't shock you).
I thought this recent CBS news poll was informative:
I think Noonan is onto something here.
justin case at May 5, 2008 8:56 AM
One thing to remember about this, and the only thing that makes wright an issue:
"Tell me who you spend your time with, and I'll tell you who you are."
Consider the nature of Wright's utterances.
These cannot have been new to Mr. Obama.
Which is not to say I think he believes every word of it...but a 20 year relationship with an egotistical, self righteous, antiAmerican, howling bigot, ought to give any sane voter pause at least.
Robert H. Butler at May 5, 2008 9:25 AM
Does anyone know how far (if at all) Wright is connected to the Illinois power brokers behind Obama's climb?
snakeman99 at May 5, 2008 9:52 AM
While it is true you can't judge a man by one friend, I think people are failing to look at the BIG picture with Obama. You can discount one little piece of him at a time, but when you look at everything together, you get a real clear picture of who he is.
If you read his book, he goes into great detail about the problems he has with white people. When he first moved to Chicago, the people who he sought out to associate with were radical left wing, anti-American, even marxists and terrorists. (Both he and Hillary were big fans of the marxist Saul Allinsky. She did her thesis on him but Obama was also a big fan.) He activly supported radical left wing political groups in college. His own wife can't speak five sentences without insulting this country.
Then he joined a church that preached Black Liberation Theology. Am I assuming too much to interpet the phrase "Black Liberation Theology" as an ideology that exposes the conflict with and defeat of non-black people? In my personal opinion, BLT is not a real religion, they talk about Jesus, but in their belief, Jesus was a black man who had no use for white people. There still is the same story about the gospels and all that but they see Jesus as being the saviour to black people. At the same time, they preach politics slamming Jews and white devils. And no, you're not going to find that on their website, not now. BLT allows muslims in their church. Why, because there are a lot of paralells between BLT and Islam. They bond in their hatred of Jews and europeans. Obama knew this and he knew it well. He spoke of Rev Wright as his mentor many times. NOBODY has a mentor that they don't know anything about. He sat in that church for twenty years listening to hate speech and first claimed he never heard anything like that. Then when he gets caught, he says, oh yeah, I heard him say a few things that I objected to but I wanted to stay with the church. Now he openly denounces Wright when he figures out that white people are figuring out that he is nothing but a black bigot. Obama is as phoney as they get. He is a radical left wing marxist white and Jew hating bigot and the more people figure that out, the more his numbers tank. That's why a lot of people say he is unelectable. As more and more of this comes out, he will just sink further. I think they are right.
Bikerken at May 5, 2008 9:53 AM
> Krauthammer's take is pretty
> rough, unless you realize that
> Obama is a politician who needs
> to do things for political reasons
I keep rereading that, and don't know what you'd want to say it. Define your terms!
Whaddya mean, "rough"? Is there some judgment call that coulda gone either way, where K chose to be a meany? Is K wrong for noting that these quotations are the same rhetoric, and only the context of their reception has changed? I think K has --in this instance-- been a rocklike, non-reactive observer.
And who doesn't know (or believe) that "Obama is a politician who needs to do things for political reasons"?
I don't see what you're getting at, and fear I disagree anyway. Back when cartoonist Garry Trudeau was young and interesting, he was interviewed in the preface to one of his collections. It was noted that he (in those days) wasn't interested in hobnobbing with the powerful people in Washington, or hearing them make the case for their positions in intimate contexts. Paraphrasing: 'I'm not interested in reading their tea leaves or getting personal insight. I only do post-mortems. I respond to the things they say in public... What could be more fair than that?'
That's how I feel about Obama, and the people he's claimed as his leaders. I don't ever want to bother with triangulating what a candidate says in some intricate, chesslike paradigm of subtle pandering across cultures. Why can't I just hold him accountable for what he says?
Doing so allows me to hate Hillary in good conscience.
Crid at May 5, 2008 1:19 PM
Why you'd want to say it
etc
Crid at May 5, 2008 1:22 PM
Crid, what I mean is that Krauthammer is feigning surprise that Obama tried to split the difference on Wright (distance from the words and not the man) and then when his hand was forced by Wright's recent remarks, disavowing the man, too. This is the sort of things politicians do all the time. Obama is a politician. Anyone who acts surprised about this is being disingenuous.
justin case at May 6, 2008 7:16 PM
No; Krauthammer's annoyance is not a pose. Again, I think we need not forgive these people for being odious as a minor additional fee for their service.
Crid at May 7, 2008 12:29 AM
No; Krauthammer's annoyance is not a pose.
It certainly is a pose - Krauthammer's paid to be a Republican attack dog. He's a good one, too.
justin case at May 7, 2008 9:03 AM
Oh, that's horseshit. Justin, you're flirting with madness here. We just can't see into other people's skulls that clearly.
A few years ago, America had an option with David Duke: We could sympathetically acknowledge that an attractive young politician in his corner of the South needed to form alliances with certain less-attractive social enterprises in order further a career of good public service. Or, we could presume that his hideous, primitive rhetoric portended just as much violence as it seemed to at first hearing. I think we made the right call.
When people say things, it's best to assume they mean them, and let the delicate ballet of their interior motivations be their own beeswax.
Crid at May 8, 2008 11:42 AM
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