This is when we'll see civilization as a buffer. Unable to feed 15 people on a little over $1 a day - plus whatever the flavor-of-the-month tabloids hand her - this woman will be stripped of her children and they will then be raised by strangers.

Say the word "mother" out loud. There's your test as to whether this woman is one.

How many people actually have sympathy for this woman. This looks like a train wreck waiting to happen.

Also who they hell is the idiot that gave her sperm. Also I hope this idiot is not later hit up for Child support.

Oh, but wouldn't it be wonderful if he was hit up for child support? Perhaps men would think a little more about sperm donation if they are held accountable for their children! Why should society have to pay for these kids' support, but not "dad"?

"Suleman said she plans to go back to college to pursue a degree in counseling..."

Sweet Jesus, giving or receiving?

Her getting a degree in counseling is as likely as Jeffrey Dahmer getting a degree in nutrition or John Wayne Gacy getting one in child care.

The biological father cannot be hit up for child support.

But if this whore isn't the poster-child for outlawing all fertility treatments to non-married women, I don't know who is.

One question

How exactly does a - stay at her parents home, unemployed, uneducated, mother of 14 on welfare - afford a publicist?

Two great fatherhood posts in one morning.

I heard the sperm donor is married to someone else, and that he supposedly begged this woman to STOP USING HIS SPERM. She needs a good swift smack upside the head. With a Clue-by-4 (tm). o.O

She also said all 14 children have the same biological father, a sperm donor whom she described as a friend.

I love this little line. He was good enough to provide the sperm but not good enough to do the actual fucking. He was not even good enough to be kept around.

The lady is definitely a crackpot and the sublime incarnation of the "Motherhood Mystique" but the lack of fathers in the picture tells us another story.

"I'm providing myself to my children," Nadya Suleman told NBC in her first interview. "I'm loving them unconditionally, accepting them unconditionally, everything I do. I'll stop my life for them and be present with them and hold them and be with them. And how many parents do that?"

That statement sounds like a collection of things she read in a magazine. It pretends to great selflessness, but this is actually an utterly selfish woman.

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Um, she has no plans to be a welfare mom .... except for that $500 a month in food stamps!

She defines welfare a little differently from me.

But if she thinks welfare only means "cash assistance", then I have to wonder whether the reason she doesn't plan to receive any is that she's already hit her limit for how many years you can get it.

No seriously, was thinking about this all the way into work. A successful, contentedly-childless playgirl type with a publishing boyfriend and a taste for international travel is not the sort of person we'd expect to be joining the team, and it's great to have you on board.

This woman hoards children the way some people hoard cats. If social services doesn't step in and take ALL these kids away from her, there is something terribly wrong. If they could tie her tubes in the process, that would be a bonus. She's clearly unstable.

Time or Newsweek has a cover article about how Lincoln might have handled our present economic crisis. But they're still running auto-pilot from the campaign; 'After all, Obama's a great president just like Lincoln, right? He just happens to be black... And if you don't think he's a figure of Lincoln's stature, than you're a bigoted jerk!"

It's completely inane, of course... Lincoln would be appalled to think that a people as great as the United States would ever expect government to keep all the darkness out of ordinary lives.

But don't doubt it for a moment: In a short number of centuries, people will regard our hideous treatment of children within families as we now regard slavery. There was horror in Lincoln's day, and there is horror in ours.

This woman reminds me of an article I read months ago about a single mom in Lincoln, NE with 12 kids. The youngest was a baby, the oldest a 14-year-old girl who had just had a baby of her own. Yup, they were on welfare. Why do people think that this is something praiseworthy? I'll never understand that.

I can't get over this story, and the gall of this woman...

There was an article a couple of days ago about this woman and her amazing ability to not see the forest for the trees... She claimed in an interview that she didn't get welfare, but her publicist said that she did, explaining: "In her view these are just payments made for people with legitimate needs and are not, in her view, welfare."

Also, she gets disability payments for not just the one kid who is confirmed as autistic, but also for two other children.

Also, I keep hearing conflicting stories on whether or not she already has the childcare degree. I think she has a Bachelor's and she wants to go for a Masters??

Anyways, the article is here, and while it's short, it's defintely got some enlightening stuff in it.

http://strangeoc.freedomblogging.com/2009/02/09/just-in-octuplets-mom-gets-food-stamps-older-kids-disability/4908/

Another article here; now she has set up a website to accept donations from the public:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/4595537/Octuplets-mother-sets-up-website-asking-for-money.html

And Flynne, I remember the article you're talking about (where the bio dad asked her to stop using his sperm), I think it's further back on Amy's blog. I think he also said that he never expected her to use his sperm to have 14 children, and had he known, he wouldn't have donated. But then again, I may be misremembering.

I must've misremembered. Here's the link to Amy's blog post:
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/02/01/14_children_all.html#comments

And as I type this, it occurs to me that for someone who is so in love with her children, and so completely dedicated to them, she certainly doesn't seem very involved with them. I mean, after all, she doesn't talk about the first 6 at all, not that I've heard anyway...

"In her view these are just payments made for people with legitimate needs and are not, in her view, welfare."

*spluttering* ... WHAT? Payments made for people with legitimate needs ... what??? Eating is a legitimate need. So is clothing. And therefore, I buy my own food and clothes. What the hell is wrong with people? Liberal moonbats are always on about the poor and the needy, as though some vast swath of humanity lacked the ability to meet its own needs. Are there that many people running around out there with severe brain damage or missing limbs that some huge percentage of people can't take care of themselves? For crying out loud. This woman is just a dumbshit, plain and simple. Who does she think those payments come from, anyway? Why, from those of us smart enough not to have fourteen children, because we know we can't afford them, that's who! Presumably just so we can have a little extra money left over that we can spend on paying her to breed.

Where's my island?

seriouly people how does a woman on welfare pay a publisist?

Through the donations received from her website, of course. (sarcasm)

What I want to know is, how does a woman on welfare pay for those collagen injections? That's a re-worked face if I've ever seen one.

> That's a re-worked face if I've
> ever seen one.

Props to Ahw!

I saw a ten-second snippet of her tv interview at the airport. She was saying "All I ever wanted was to be a Mom!"

But I thought, with all that cosmetic surgery, you must have wanted more from life than that....

"But I thought, with all that cosmetic surgery, you must have wanted more from life than that...." Yup she want to a MILF noble aspiration as long as I'm not paying for it.

The cosmetic surgery makes her look like she's trying to imitate Angelina Jolie. I wonder if there's a connection there

The difference being, of course, that Angelina Jolie's kids have a dad in the picture.

VENT=ON
I'd like to say she's batshit nuts. And she is. Technically, I think she's delusional. I'm sure there's a doctor or psychologist reading this blog, please enlighten us.

I've been too busy to follow news or blogs much lately, but the behavior of this clown car vagina woman does remind me of that moonbat ex-governor of Illinois, Blowmevitch, or whatever his name is. He's been running around saying shit like they railroaded me, they framed me, blah blah. I mean, dude, they caught you! You can't pretend you weren't caught! They fucking have it on tape!

This woman exhibits the same behavior. It is beyond her comprehension that she has done something wrong,. In fact, she's offended at the accusation. It's not welfare if you need it? Fuck you, you stupid bitch.

By that logic, I'm not a drug addict if I just need cocaine to get thru my day. I'm not a rapist if I just have to tap some strange gal's box. The government should buy me an eight ball and some nylon rope and perhaps some K-Y. Why should I have to pay for it?

Common sense is getting really scarce in this country. I look forward to watching this douchebitch being dragged away, kicking and screaming in a straight jacket on national TV. We'll still have to pay for the 14 freak of nature kids until they get adopted, but it's worth the price to get them away from this crazy bitch.
VENT=OFF
I feel better..

And I doubt there's any chance of the Jolie-Pitt brood going on welfare...

They have, I think I read, 6 full-time people helping with the kids. And they only 6 kids.

How does she afford the plastic surgery?

"Oh, but wouldn't it be wonderful if he was hit up for child support? Perhaps men would think a little more about sperm donation if they are held accountable for their children! Why should society have to pay for these kids' support, but not "dad"?

Posted by: Micki at February 12, 2009 5:12 AM"

Not really, as it already happens far too often when it shouldn't (donors having to pay support). However, sperm donor supplies have been reportedly dropping a lot lately since many western countries have been going after the donors for support (usually ones who didn't do it via a state sanctioned clinic). Many men are balking at it due to new laws that let the kids know who their bio fathers are at 18 years old.

The laws are really screwy on the whole deal. There was a case in Illinois awhile back IIRC between two doctors where it was essentially ruled that sperm is a gift given to the woman and the man has no control over it once "released", you know other than paying for any kids that might show up. This was due to the guy getting a hummer from the gal who then decided to take the "gift" from oral to vaginal via finger scoop n' bang technique after the guy had left. Twins showed up 9 months later and "dad" got hit for support, he won cash though for the emotional distress of it all IIRC.

For me, given the whole line about "her body, her choice", I feel it should all be on the shoulders of the woman unless the man wants to opt in especially if its a sperm donor situation.

NicoleK,
Excellent question. Some of the answer might be here, but if her first six kids were also premature, the numbers don't seem to add up...
http://www.sfchron.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/12/MNNH15SBA5.DTL&type=health

Sterling, I'm beginning to think this "clown car vagina woman" (hilarious description, btw) should be this year's poster child, along with "Blowmevitch" (Key-riste, you're killin' me!) for cognitive dissonance. o.O

Angelina Jolie? Maybe it's just me, but when I saw her I immediately thought, Morticia from the Addams Family.

Lujlip: The publicists say they are working pro bono. Cause this is such a worthy cause!

Brian -- Why should all fertility treatments be outlawed to unmarried women if they meet the financial, physical, and mental requirements -- which this crackpot clearly didn't? Couples do lots of crazy things too for publicity or personal gain or because they're psychotics.

I think the babies should be taken away. Who's going to hold them, and give them the attention every infant needs? I'm sorry, you can't do eight at once, much less 14. She's have to diaper one, work her way down the line, and start all over again -- hour after hour.

Sio, I suppose my comment reflects my disposition against the whole sperm-donor situation, kinda a "drive by fruiting."

I'm sure my opinion flows far from the popular stream. Oh well!

Brian -- Why should all fertility treatments be outlawed to unmarried women if they meet the financial, physical, and mental requirements -- which this crackpot clearly didn't? Couples do lots of crazy things too for publicity or personal gain or because they're psychotics.

Why?

Because ultimately a single person is, absent being independently wealthy, not going to meet those requirements for long.

Personally, I am in favor of getting rid of all IVF and fertility treatments, period. If you can't make a baby the way nature intended, you don't get one.

Jolie? She can try, but Jolie is pillow-lipped whereas this woman has clownish trout-pout. She's certainly bumped AJ from the top spot of most-talked about mom in the country, maybe most vilified to boot.

One of the reasons I call myself a quasi-libertarian instead of a full-scale libertarian is that I'm fine with my tax dollars being used to provide welfare payments in some circumstances. If you get pregnant at 16 and decide that, damnit, you're going to finish high school, go to college, find a job and save any subsequent baby-having for marriage, I want to help you out. In the long run, society is better off with, say, you becoming a nurse at 23 than it is you working menial jobs as you eke your way through school until you're 35 (or drop out in frustration). Bad things happen in life; I'm glad we have somewhat of a social safety net to help ameliorate that.

The problem is that the existence of that social safety net draws the leeches out of the woodwork. And this woman is a leech. A crazy leech. If she wanted to have my tax dollars pay for her to be mom to a big brood, she could have adopted non-babies from foster care. But hey, I'm not saying anything new here...

Many men are balking at it due to new laws that let the kids know who their bio fathers are at 18 years old.

Also, thanks to various medical advances, a lot of guys who couldn't father children biologically in the past now can do so. (I read something a few years ago about how XXY guys had been able to father children with immature sperm that had been removed from their testes.) IIRC, the percentage of married couples who use sperm banks due to male infertility has been going down - more and more, the people likely to use sperm banks are a) lesbian couples and/or b) single women. Which means that increasing number of kids "fathered" via sperm banks are growing up with nobody to call "Dad." Maybe I'm crazy, but I have a feeling that they're going to be much, much more likely to want to a relationship with their bio-dads than kids raised in a loving family with a bio-mom and legal dad...

JulieA... agreed. Much as she claims she is giving "herself" to her kids and "being there for them"... she isn't. She can't. 14 kids? All in the same age range? No way they can get enough attention. They can't even do the big-family thing where an older kid takes care of a younger kid, because they are all in the same age range.

Yea Ann - you commented she hoards babies like some women hoard cats. This is what the woman is a CAT LADY with high fertility, access to sperm, and loads of crazy loooovvveeee.

Most states have laws against such people hoarding animals and if so the gov/with the SPCA can seize said animals for their welfare. The only shame is you can do it with children and in adequate mothers.

> Jolie is pillow-lipped whereas

Aw c'mon. That woman isn't human. She's not even attractive. C'mon, admit it! Everything's stringy and tatted and pierced and weird... Including her mind. She's Just Visiting our planet.

> If you get pregnant at 16 and
> decide that, damnit....

But then...

> Bad things happen in life

Well, they do when you "decide" to do them! Geez, Marion. This ain't fate, it's misconduct.

> I have a feeling that they're
> going to be much, much more likely
> to want to a relationship with
> their bio-dads than kids raised
> in a loving family

In both scenarios, the kids in dreamland. The fatherless for imagining bonds that genetics don't always hold, and the well-parented for being cavalier.

I'm old enough to have witnessed two things as a young adult: the clinical definition of anorexia and the mainstreaming of IVF.
Since IVF made the scene, I can't help noticing that there seem to be thousands of frantic women, hysterically screaming that their lives are worthless unless they can produce a baby from their own womb. They shreik about how they can't look at a baby carriage without weeping and how they feel incomplete and shamed as women.
Does this sound like anorexia to anybody else? The fevered desire to live up to some idealized notion of womanhood, no matter what it takes. Is there so much difference between starving and obsessively weighing yourself and submitting to nonstop pills and needles until you get pregnant?
I'm not saying that ALL women who try IVF are nuts, any more than all women who watch their weight are nuts. But there does seem to be an evolving culture of, well, 'pregnorexia.'
Anyone else notice this?

Never have been subject to that most literal hysteria myself, I haven't noticed what you're saying.

But nobody ever used to talk about cellulite either. All of these obsessions are working with each other.

JulieA, how dare you be disrepectful of Morticia! Beautiful, intelligent, classy, careful of her family, respectful of the elderly, faithful to Gomez, she is the keystone of a nuclear family who simply happens to look different.

Although Gomez's hobby is blowing up toy trains and his job is rumored to be blowing up real ones, and their daughter decided to make adult films after leaving the household, Morticia's family is no burden to society.

It's more of an asset than many!

Sure seems that way to me too, Lynne. They treat baby as possession/status symbol. More of the "look at me, look at me" pursuit of life. As if being looked at enough will make them happy. (Don't really care if it makes the kid happy as long as said kid doesn't embarrass them. Someone please wake them up to the fact that your kid will embarrass you at some point -- probably more than once.)

This "mother" (for lack of a better word) with the 14 kids is disgusting and certainly disturbed to say the least.

The PR firm is pro bono, meaning they thought this would be easy and get them more clients down the road. Instead, it's a nightmare.

She might get a degree, but who's going to hire her? Every time she opens those duck lips, she disqualifies herself from a serious job, but then, the State of CA is always hiring.

To be fair, she was on bed rest for months, so her manicure and even her lips might have been little treats. Her stalking Angelina Jolie is a classic example of magical thinking--she thinks they'll be new BFFs and Jolie will give her something--gifts, a house, etc. It's a kid fantasy--I'll bet she's in fantasy land a lot.

I'll agree about IVF becoming like a getting a designer dog or something. In this case, I'm not so sure that her genetic matter needed to be passed on 14 times.

"The biological father cannot be hit up for child support."

Oh yes he can. A quick google of 'sperm donor sued for child support' yields several articles about women trying to get support,sometimes years later. I guess once the babies actually arrive it's harder than they thought...more trouble than the pet they would have been better off with.

Yeah I noticed today Nadia does look like a bigger version of Morticia from the adam's family!!

Children need two parents, a Mom and a Dad; not two Moms or two Dads. Unfortunately there is a supported degeneration being supported by the detractors of normality, the "Gay Agenda"