Muslims First, Citizens When It Suits Them
Ayaan Hirsi Ali writes on The Week/UK of the problem with Muslim immigration in Europe:
Mr Ramadan, like many other Muslims, may have two or more citizenships. From all that he expresses both in person and on paper, it is clear that his loyalty, above all, is to Islam. I do not doubt that he would die for Islam, like most Muslims, and that's his prerogative. But what European countries have done is give citizenship to individuals who feel no obligation to share in their societies for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer and in the event of a catastrophe, sacrifice themselves.No debate is more explosive than the debate on the future of Islam in Europe
In this way, they evade one of the chief criteria of citizenship. Political allegiance to the constitution of your country is the minimum requirement. It is this state of affairs that makes Christopher Caldwell's book Reflections on the Revolution in Europe: Immigration and the West (Allen Lane, £17.99), which opens with the sentence, "Western Europe became a multi-ethnic society in a fit of absence of mind," a chilling read....Take the debate on freedom of expression. In 1989 and afterwards, the provocations in the name of Islam were greeted with a confident, "No way! This is Europe, and you can say what you like, write what you like," and so on.
Two decades later, Europeans are not so sure about the values of freedom of expression. Most members of the media engage in self-censorship. Textbooks in schools and universities have been adapted in such a way as not to offend Muslim sentiment. And legislation to punish 'blasphemy', if not passed, has been considered in most countries - or old laws that were never used are being revived.
...Women's shelters have adapted their curriculum - instead of teaching the women who come to them how to become self-reliant, the shelters facilitate prayer rooms and employ mediators from the Islamic community. All this mediation serves only one purpose - that is, to return the woman to the circumstances of abuse she left.
Here is a system, which was a tool to emancipate, that has been completely transformed to serve the Muslim purpose of obedience. If the wife obeys, then the husband no longer needs to beat her. The matter is settled.
...If Europe falls, it's not because of Islam. It is because the Europeans of today - unlike their forbears in the Second World War - will not die to defend the values or the future of Europe. Even if they were asked to make the final sacrifice, many a post-modern lily-livered European would escape into an obscure mesh of conscientious objection. All that Islam has to do is walk into the vacuum.







Most of us(who have in the past foolishly, naively gave generously to poor moslems and contributed directly or indirectly to their community prosperity) have been hoodwinked by the socalled peaceful nature of islam, which turn out to be full of deceit and not very peaceful, after all. So, if those moslem women know abuse is bad, why are they abusing poor, timid nonbelievers like myself. It does not make sense to claim victimhood and then try to victimise other poor nonbelievers. islam infiltrated Europe and abused the hospitality, welfare system and unconditional generosity that was given freely to them (by the west). We do not need their religion to fill any vacuum. We do not need their grateful thanks. All we need is some real peace.
WLIL at May 7, 2009 2:16 AM
Great article.
The Europeans keep trying to appease the Muslims more and more. Guess what? It doesn't work. Don't think the Muslins will change to the European culture, they expect the European culture to change for them.
So much so that a judge in England has declared that they need seperate Sharia law for their Muslim population.
America are you listening?
David M. at May 7, 2009 6:03 AM
I gotta admit, I don't post many blog entries criticizing the "religion of peace." Unlike, say, the Catholics, Muslims murder you in the street when you say things that they don't like.
Oh, and appeasement works. As long as you don't mind becoming the lapdog, and ultimately the slave, of the thing you are appeasing.
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Bill McNutt at May 7, 2009 6:41 AM
Ou est Charles Martel?
On another note, I was recently reading "Mayflower", and was struck between the similarities between the Wampanoag and the Swiss, both of whole sell off their land to foreigners at alarming rates for immediate cash, not thinking through the long-term problems of this strategy.
NicoleK at May 7, 2009 7:09 AM
In the last few days, there have been blog items about men who have been screwed by the child support industry and the so-called justice system in cases of made up domestic violence.
Amy has wondered about the men in prison converting to the Muslim religion.
Maybe they are thinking that Sharia law doesn't sound so bad, after all.
Steamer at May 7, 2009 8:57 AM
Here is a system, which was a tool to emancipate, that has been completely transformed to serve the Muslim purpose of obedience. If the wife obeys, then the husband no longer needs to beat her. The matter is settled.
This is the part that stood out for me. My first thought was HOLY CRAP!
Seriously though, one of the largest problems that we have currently is the idea of enculturation. In years past, when you moved to a new country and attempted to get citizenship and make it your new home, one made an effort to adapt your lifestyle to the country that you adopted. You didn't loose all of your ideals and beliefs, but you became part of the 'melting pot'. My great grandmother did it when she came over on the boat from Ireland. It has been done with all of the immigration waves (both voluntary and involuntary) to this country. The push toward multiculturalism is changing that for the worse.
Now when a person is moves to this country and attempts to become a citizen, they often appear to hold contempt for the country that currently supports and protects them. As Carlos Mencia said after the Latino immigration riots a few years back (I am doing this from memory, so please don't beat me up too badly), "Waving the Mexican flag while demanding better treatment from America is like us inviting you to dinner and you taking a dump on the table."
We need to go back to demanding that people become more 'American'(or French, or English, etc). Learn the language, get a job, get an eduction. Not for any silly racist ideas, but because it is unifying and makes us one country of strengths, not a container for various tribes.
Julie at May 7, 2009 9:21 AM
The LA Times reported today that Hawaii is about to institute "Islam Day."
WTF!!!!!!
Jay R at May 7, 2009 9:28 AM
Under Sharia law, there would be no AdviceGoddess. Any Muslim version of Amy Alkon would have been stoned to death before she reached puberty. You need to keep some perspective when reading about the seemingly endless parade of child support gougers, false rape accusers, etc. Despite them, wonderful women like Amy are out there, ready to give satisfaction & enjoyment to any man willing to seek them out & engage them. A world where such women don't exist, or are kept silent & smothered in burkas, is a world not worth living in.
So you've noticed that in the West, Islam is scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to converts (gangstas in prison, Adam Gadahn, etc)? In prison, they have guards in uniforms telling them when to wake up, when to eat, and when to turn out the lights & go back to sleep in their cells. In Islam, they have mullahs in robes telling them when to pray, how long their beards have to be, what they can read (the Koran, and nothing else), how & when to wipe their asses with sand, and when to strap on suicide bombs & blow themselves up for Allah. And with polygamy, there's not enough women of any kind to go around, even in burkas, so they're left with goats & sheep.
Not my idea of a man's paradise.
Martin at May 7, 2009 9:52 AM
Don't forget the prison style homosexuality that goes on over there, which is especially dangerous for young boys.
Chrissy at May 7, 2009 11:55 AM
But what European countries have done is give citizenship to individuals who feel no obligation to share in their societies for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer and in the event of a catastrophe, sacrifice themselves.
One of the problems is that so many multicultural apologists remember (or were taught about) when their hero, JFK, was running for president and voters questioned whether he would be loyal to the pope or to the country.
Back then, they still thought of Catholics as papists first, Americans second.
Today, the "enlightened" folks don't want to be like the ignorant masses who questioned Kennedy's loyalties. So, they won't question anyone who might have divided loyalties in order - lest they resemble Kennedy's "ignorant" and xenophobic critics.
The difference is that Kennedy served his country in the Navy. And his equally Catholic brother, Joe, served in the Army Air Force. So, despite their appeaser-idiot father, the Kennedys were able to demonstrate strong loyalty to country.
Also, Kennedy was not really a die-hard Catholic and was able to make it clear to the voters that his loyalty to country would outrank his loyalty to church (not his loyalty to self, but that's another topic).
The problem is that folks with admittedly divided loyalties DO need to make clear which loyalty comes first and, if it's not to the country of residence, perhaps the citizenship needs to be restricted.
Any country that abrogates its own culture and laws to make laws that specifically accommodate a small (or small but growing) group of residents whose loyalties are to somewhere or something else, is committing national suicide.
Conan the Grammarian at May 7, 2009 12:34 PM
Multiculturalism is not a way of celebrating other cultures, it's a way of denying your own. -Mark Steyn.
David M. at May 7, 2009 1:27 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/05/muslims-first-c.html#comment-1647084">comment from David M.Hey, David M., where did you find that Steyn quote? Googled it and it didn't come up.
Amy Alkon
at May 7, 2009 1:37 PM
Amy, that Steyn quote is from page 194, in the intro to chapter 10, of his fantastic book, America Alone. Here it is, in context:
"In a culturally confident age, the British in India were faced with the practice of "suttee" - the tradition of burning widows on the funeral pyres of their husbands. General Sir Charles Napier was impeccably multicultural: "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours".
India today is better off without suttee. If you don't agree with that, if you think that's just dead-white-male Eurocentrism, fine. But I don't think you really do believe that. Non-judgmental multiculturalism is an obvious fraud, and was subliminally accepted on that basis. After all, most adherents to the idea that all cultures are equal don't want to live in anything but an advanced Western society...But if you think you genuinely believe that suttee is just an example of the rich, vibrant tapestry of indigenous cultures, you ought to consider what your pleasant suburb would be like if 25, 30, 48 % of the people around you really believed in it too. Multiculturalism was conceived by the Western elites not to celebrate all cultures but to deny their own: it is, thus, the real suicide bomb.
The rest of us - the ones who think you can make judgments about competing cultures on liberty, religious freedom, the rule of law - need to recover that cultural cool that General Napier demonstrated."
Martin at May 7, 2009 2:43 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/05/muslims-first-c.html#comment-1647123">comment from MartinMartin, thank you so, so much for typing that in.
Amy Alkon
at May 7, 2009 3:36 PM
why are asians or islamic people given residencies in western countries when they so obviously don't share or practice the western ideals of freedom and decency. islamic people are making out that their "religion" have a "superior" say in matters related to obedience, morality, etc, when all it did was dehumanizing those concepts, that is already come naturally to most of us, nonbelievers.
WLIL at May 7, 2009 8:41 PM
Actually a whole lotta of these people that settled in Europe did not come over with citizenship in mind they came over likely as economic, political, or war refugees. Once here in country they did not acclimatize or melt into the country, or even just go back home when everything settled down. Worse is they then brought over all kinds of relatives who also proceed to not become a citizen. The thing is when countries accept refugees that are accepting people that very likely do not want to change. They are not coming over to make a better life but to just escape a hellish one back home.
I got a glimpse of that from Ayaan Hirsi Ali book Infidel.
John Paulson at May 8, 2009 3:00 AM
What no kudos for Muslims being consistent with their beliefs? Those women are hypocrits for leaving their situation. They should go back to practicing their religion. Right?
anon34328 at May 8, 2009 7:08 AM
Wow anon your bitter, hateful, have a massive inferiority complex, self loathing, and conteptuoes of mebers of other belif system
You really ARE a christian
lujlp at May 8, 2009 9:57 AM
"conteptuoes of mebers of other belif system"
lujlp, not sure where you stand on this issue. Idiot.
So you think Muslim women get what they deserve because its their belief. Should I respect that?
anon34328 at May 8, 2009 3:14 PM
I'm sorry werent you just ciritisizing them for leaving the abuse?
Make up your mind, and get back to me - I'll wait for you to ask you pastor what your opinion should be as you obviously cant think for yourself
lujlp at May 8, 2009 10:03 PM
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