Bottom line 99% of women on public assistance are paid for their promiscuity.

Take away the money and the problem stops.

Promiscuity is not the problem. Failure to employ birth control is the problem.

Spartee - when you subsidize a behavior, you get more of it.

Oh, and I thought England had a complete gun ban. That worked out well, didn't it?

Spartee- You take uneccessary risks because the consequences are not severe (money aka public assistance).

More people would be sure to use birth control if there was not a government fall back program.

Why is the percentage of out of wedlock births so high when we have so many more birth control option than say in the 1950's?

Reward, and extra risk taking due to public/government assistance. The government rewards females for being promiscuous.

You reward something and you get more of it.

I frequently listen to an excellent call-in station called BBC London. Through it, I think I've picked up on the zeitgeist of London and the UK as a whole.

Everything I've heard on that station confirms precisely what this article says. More precisely:

- Young black men are out of control
- Young & old black men who call into the station seem to be a combination of apologists / permanent victims
- Black women who call in are having none of it and care clearly fed up with their black brethren
- As for the rest of the callers, they're a combination of people telling it as it is and politically correct ninnies

Interesting listening!

When Obama said something about how black men should man up (and be dads to the children they create), Jesse Jackson responded by mumbling something about cutting Obama's nuts off. What is it about black leaders like Jackson that they are wedded to maintaining the status quo? Or is it something else?

A bit off topic, but it falls under the topic of "if you subsidize it, you get more of it"...

I came across a blog written by an ER nurse. It is absolutely astounding how many patients apparently come by, faking symptoms to get narcotics. And they are just a subset of all the patients who come by with no health insurance, often for trivial reasons.

I understand providing life-saving care without caring about insurance. But why are hospitals not allowed to send patients away when they clearly do not have an urgent problem? Especially if they have no insurance?

Western society does, in general, reward bad behavior,or at a minimum refuses to condemn it. Poor, uneducated women in general have no problem having babies despite not having an established family unit, or means to take care of said baby. And if education and steady, legitimate means of income aren't a priority for the parent, why would they be important for the child?

Yesterday Husband walked out of the convienience store and got into his (very nice) car... The young black woman standing by the entrance gave him the up-and-down and said, "Mmmm hmmm... ring and everything... I won't tell..." while she balanced her baby on her hip.

It's more prevalent in the black community, but it seems to me that the underclass just doesn't give a shit. And that's why they're the underclass. (And, do notice that successful black people are often accused of "acting white.")

Guys, a gal can knock boots with 10,000 guys, and it will not cost you a thing.

One kid, though, whether she had one lover or 1ok, costs the stame.

Its the birth control, not the number of partners that matters.

When you pay for a kid, you will get more kids. I say again, the promiscuity is not the problem, ... except for people who have a problem with other people's promiscuity.

> What is racist is not saying
> anything to or about the vast
> numbers of single black women who
> have sex without birth control and
> who bring children into this world
> who will not grow up with fathers.

Hey Amy! What about the vast numbers of lesbian parents who are going to raise their sons without fathers?

Are you worried about them, too?

Guys, a gal can knock boots with 10,000 guys, and it will not cost you a thing.
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Can't agree with you on this one. They take taxes out of my check for public assistance aka welfare for these women who freely knock boots with anyone.

Promiscuity isn't the problem. Not using birth control is. Well educated rich women fuck like bunnies and aren't knee deep in kids, because they choose not to be.

Promiscuity isn't the problem. Not using birth control is. Well educated rich women fuck like bunnies and aren't knee deep in kids, because they choose not to be.

Posted by: Chrissy at June 16, 2009 9:10 AM
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Good point. However, Rich women won't imorove their standard of living with public assistance, poor women will.

Poor women can be given section 8 housing, food stamps, welfare, medicaid, etc..

These are desirable to poor women as children are the ticket to these programs and these poor women won't have to work. Rich women are not benefited by these social programs because they don't need them nor do they want them.

In Somalia, girls who get pregnant without being married aren't just stigmatized, they're stoned to death. And all girls there have their clits & labia hacked off before puberty to further discourage them from spreading their legs. So is Somalia a better place?

The next time you reflect on the pathology of the black underclass in Western cities, please remember that the pathology of the underclass in Africa is much worse. I saw a news report on Somalia a while ago that included an interview with a long-time resident of a refugee camp. The guy was illiterate, had no job, and no home, other than a tent donated by the UN. And he was beaming with pride, because he had 2 wives and 6 kids, with another one on the way. All of the children were obviously malnourished & running around in rags. None of them were going to school. And this guy was perfectly content to spend the rest of his life just sitting on his ass in the desert, taking his daily bread from infidels, and siring a huge litter of hungry beggars. The reason why Somalia is the worst shithole on earth is because it's full of men like him. And there are millions of "fathers" just like him in all the African & Islamic countries that have the highest birth rates & the highest poverty rates on earth.

By all means, urge black women to shape up. Just don't delude yourself that a scumbag father is much better than no father at all.

Chrissy and Spartee are right. I don't think promiscuity has anything to do with being on wellfare... there are plenty of white college girls that get around... they just don't have babies. One 17-year-old getting knocked up by some dude who's never going to be around is much more likely to be a burden on society than 15 club-hopping twenty-somethings that go home with someone new once a month, but are on BC and use condoms.

When Obama said something about how black men should man up (and be dads to the children they create), Jesse Jackson responded by mumbling something about cutting Obama's nuts off. What is it about black leaders like Jackson that they are wedded to maintaining the status quo? Or is it something else?

Posted by: Amy Alkon at June 16, 2009 7:16 AM
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Jackson was jealous of the attention Obama was getting IMHO. As for Obama's statements, they are well and good but I didn't see him telling black women (or women in general) to woman up and take better care of their families (and not spread their legs for and tom, dick and harry) on Mother's Day. No, he went for the safe bet of ripping on Black men and men in general, on a Father's Day speech no less IIRC.

Gimme a break Martin with the Somalia comparisions. No one is bringing up FGM and those social stigmas. Just start holding women to the same account western society holds men. Men might be more apt to get involved in the family if the government and women didn't do their best to get men out of families for their own selfish reasons.

"Spartee- You take uneccessary risks because the consequences are not severe "

That certainly explains the utter lack of murders in states that employ the death penalty.

That certainly explains the utter lack of murders in states that employ the death penalty.

Posted by: Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at June 16, 2009 11:00 AM
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Apples and oranges but here goes.
There is not an association between the actual death penalty and murder.

We have 2-4 gang related deaths per week where I live. None are ever charged with 1st degree murder.

People who are actually sentenced to death for 1st degree murder are actually put do death 15-20 years later. No immediate consequence to the behavior.

"People who are actually sentenced to death for 1st degree murder are actually put do death 15-20 years later. No immediate consequence to the behavior."

The original statement was that the consequences were not severe -- not that the consequences were not immediate.

But if you're arguing that two decades of prison followed by execution is not severe punishment, I've got a golden pancake breakfast in heaven I'd like to sell you.

People who are actually sentenced to death for 1st degree murder are actually put do death 15-20 years later. No immediate consequence to the behavior.

Posted by: David M. at June 16, 2009 11:14 AM
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Also for the most part these people are incarcerated and out of the public eye.

Someone mentions there name on the nightly news and few people even remember who they are.

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"The propensity of some young black males to underachieve at school and later commit crimes of violence has been seen for too long as a roguish expression of cultural diversity, exacerbated by our own inherent racism and economic oppression; in other words, it's not their fault."

I find the word "propensity" in this argument a little disturbing. So the very color of a person's skin now dictates the probability of their behavior and ability to learn. Nothing happens within a vacuum.

Let me be clear here, I don't believe in the victim hood argument, and I think regardless of skin color, if you rob, steal, murder...whatever. You made your bed, you lie in it. I can have compassion for the circumstances which lead to the behavior but this does not mean I wont carefully hold people accountable. To do anything less would be feeding into the "white guilt" non solution of cultural diversity.

However, underestimating the impact of a social and economic system in place for eons by flinging turds about non-issues (percentages of who is how bad on their skin color/ whites vs. non-whites) does little to address the true nature of racism, as it does exist, and it is probably not what you think it is.

“Until one understands the system of White supremacy, anything and everything else will confuse you.” Nelly Fuller Jr.

A good article was once suggested to me (when I found myself lost during a conversation about racism) called the Invisible Knapsack. I found it informative, fair and thought provoking.

A good article was once suggested to me (when I found myself lost during a conversation about racism) called the Invisible Knapsack. I found it informative, fair and thought provoking.

Really? It seemed more like an exercise in petitio principii (begging the question) to me. And not a particularly clever or readable example of the genre.

David M says: "Bottom line 99% of women on public assistance are paid for their promiscuity...They take taxes out of my check for public assistance aka welfare for these women who freely knock boots with anyone."

I agree with you that this is a problem, but why is it all being laid on the woman? Shouldn't the father be held responsible too? Why should I, the taxpaper, subsidize someone else's kid when the babydaddy, who doesn't even have the excuse of raising a kid and is presumably capable of earning money, gets off scotfree to run around and get more women knocked up?

It seems like the problem is that women on welfare are content to live off the government rather than insisting that the baby's father pays child support. Maybe the government should enforce mandatory child support for any child living on welfare, rather than waiting for the child's mother (who is likely uneducated and unfamiliar with the court system) to take the father to court.

If men were made to pay for their promiscuity, then perhaps they wouldn't be so cavalier about making babies.

"Really? It seemed more like an exercise in petitio principii (begging the question) to me. And not a particularly clever or readable example of the genre."

Hence, my "thought provoking" comment.

Would you have preferred a color by number worksheet? You sound offended that someone could not (or would not) provide you with a quick cheat sheet about a very complex subject which wasn’t meant to give you line by line answers, it just doesn't work that way. Even if it did work that way, to present it in such a fashion would be irreverent and insulting, don’t you think?

Perhaps you should try managing your own expectations and go do the research for yourself - instead of attacking me for providing information *I* found useful?

You get out of it, what you put into it. But more importantly, you have to have the willingness to see it. Your post suggests otherwise.

Bottom line 99% of women on public assistance are paid for their promiscuity.

What is your source, David M.?

I spent many years working with women on public assistance and with college freshmen (and yes, there is an overlap). It's not a simple problem. Parents and conservatives don't want sex education in schools, don't want free condom programs, don't want legal, safe abortion. Young men and women argue about using birth control, when they're aware of it (and believe me, there are a lot of ignorant 18 year olds out there because they weren't allowed to take the sex ed portion of high school health) or don't understand how it works or can't afford it (yes, you can get free condoms, but unless the condom fairy is going door to door in your neighborhood, you have to get to the place where they're available). Let's face it, when you're young, poor and bored, sex is free entertainment that feels pretty good and doesn't take any special equipment and like it or not, the result is many young, uneducated women end up as single parents. And you don't want to know how many suburban moms or dads marched the little princess down to social services to sign up for benefits because they weren't going to let her abort or give up the kid for adoption.

There is no simple answer but I'm all for trying something new because what we have now isn't working. Nothing wrong with requiring welfare recipients to either be in school or working part-time. I worked with a number of young women who figured it out (they shared babysitting when they were in class or working) but frankly after 20 years, I'm tired of the new generation thinking the world owes them because they didn't ask to be born. The world doesn't owe you a living, the world was here first. Thank Mark Twain for that little nugget of insight.

Only half the blacks in the UK are from the Caribbean, the rest are from Africa and most likely Muslim. Black Muslims I'm sure feel twice cursed: they cannot become white nor can they ever become non-Muslim, at least not in Muslim enclaves.

It should be noted that Muslims are 3x over-represented in UK prisons, and are the majority offenders in France, Belgium and most other European countries where they abound in numbers.

C'mon, Amy... C'mon c'mon c'mon, take the bait!

If you do, I'll give you links to five great songs on the internet! Such a deal!

> What is racist is not saying
> anything to or about the vast
> numbers of single black women who
> have sex without birth control and
> who bring children into this world
> who will not grow up with fathers.

What does in mean when those fatherless homes are the kind you like, the kind where two women with a distaste for masculinity are going to teach a kid how to be a man?

C'mon. Amy, let it rip....

"When Obama said something about how black men should man up (and be dads to the children they create), Jesse Jackson responded by mumbling something about cutting Obama's nuts off. What is it about black leaders like Jackson that they are wedded to maintaining the status quo? Or is it something else? "

Obama had certain advantages and privilages growing up that other blacks didn't have. That's a start.

Is it not insulting to *use* your race to get elected and then turn around and stand in judgement on those that elected you without having "been there"?

Jesse is a cockaroach none the less.

> A male role model

Ahem... We've covered this, and more than once. But that next part deserves to stand out on its own:

> A male role model doesn't
> have to be the father.

You'd prefer that it was a poster of Michael Jordan? That would be the same thing? I guess it comes down to whether or not you want your kids to have fathers who love them, or "role models", which are essentially imaginary figures... You want kids not to need anything or anyone, Amy. Good luck with that...!

> I don't know tons of lesbian
> parents

Why would you have to? Aren't you the person who trusts studies from psychologists more than your observation?

> and they have taken pains

They've taken "pains"? Are you asking us to worry about what they're feeling as they willfully deny fathers to their children?

> to have a man involved in the
> lives of their children.

Ask anyone with a good father if that was the standard that was met, if that describes their years together: 'Some man was involved.'

But for today...

But for today, it's enough to have established that you didn't mean it when you said "bring children into this world who will not grow up with fathers." You're a pretender to your favorite rhetoric, and you know it, too. Someday you're gonna have to come to grips with the meanings of these words.

Here's the first tune. (The video is just something put together by a fan, not the guy who arranged it.) Here are the lyrics, etc.

You're taking it back, then? You're saying people don't need fathers?

Here's great tune #2. Three to go. (Again, ignore the video.)

Amy Alkon! Get back in here and fight like a man!

Here's tune #3. (Most of these sound better if you spring for quality downloads... Just trying to share some melodies here, people.....)

"Would you have preferred a color by number worksheet? You sound offended that someone could not (or would not) provide you with a quick cheat sheet about a very complex subject which wasn’t meant to give you line by line answers, it just doesn't work that way. Even if it did work that way, to present it in such a fashion would be irreverent and insulting, don’t you think?"

The Invisible Knapsack _IS_ the intellectual equivalent of a color by number worksheet, it just contains even less factual or creative content. And it is, in fact, irrelevant and insulting for just that reason.

Interesting that in all of this, the promiscuity lies on the women. We are a society of prevalent sexual acts and conquering men and women with the ability to have "friends with benefits". Both parties have a responsibility to protect themselves from STD's and from pregnancy, so they should choose to. But the ultimate choice is held up to the women. If the birth control protections fail, should all of these women have an abortion? And at what point does it mean that the ultimate responsibility is for the women to bear all of the problems and consequences of sex?

I read these columns often, but it seems that there is a true disparity between white and black. Although the statistics are out there, there is a lot more "heat" on the blacks being poor, broke and on welfare. There are plenty of whites on welfare.

Also, when it comes to arrest records, what really needs to be looked at is the difference between pick-ups, arrests and ultimate prosecution. You get completely different results, with blacks and Latinos on the losing end. Having worked in the local public defenders office, it's interesting that relative the local population, everyone gets stopped or pick-uped equally. But when it comes to arrests and ultimately prosecutions, the whites are released because the police believe that their parents will discipline their kids better, and the blacks and Latinos will be hauled off to jail to start their young life with a record.

Of course, I wish for there to be equality, but ultimately, there is none.