The awfulplasticsurgery site has a lot of pics of women who are just all strapped up and pushed up by corsets. I could do a before and after pic of myself like that too, so I'm skeptical about their claims of boob jobs.

Playboy and other porn seems to be doing ok, so apparently there's a really, really large market for fake boobs.

I could do a before and after pic of myself like that too

Ok momof4, waiting impatiently for the photos :) Should we beg?

More seriously though - in Mariah's case I don't think there's much doubt. She sticks out inches more than in her older shots - no amount of push-up could account for that.

Having been to nude beaches, I can attest that most boob jobs look horrible, at least without clothes. In clothes and push-up bras, they can look sexy, but when the clothes come off, many are mismatched, scarred, and hard looking. The nipples are often not sewn back right. And, as women get older, the implants can be up high while the boobs are heading south. It is rare to see a good boob job in the nude.

I'm so glad I never did it. Mine are reasonably-sized Bs, so when I was younger, I waffled over making them larger that way.

There is a system called BRAVA, that has been proven to increase breast size by a half cup or sometimes a full cup. I bought it a few years ago. It's a bra you wear at night and it sucks on your breasts (using the same concept of skin regeneration that has been successfully employed in other ways - if skin is stretched, the body, in time, will fill it in with more tissue). Pretty uncomfortable, but I think I did get a half cup out of it...and it's all natural.

If this girl just needs a little boost in size, she should try that first.

Having spent much too much of my life in strip clubs I'll second what lovelysoul said.
But I think Mariah looks good in that pic.
If you want to see a hideous boob job check out Jwoww on Jersey Shore.
She goes out at night practically topless to show them off.

Not a good "Situation".

However, if she's going to do it, tell her to pay the price for the best surgeon. Don't go to these cheap boob-job mills. This is no area to be a cheapskate - it's your body and your life. If you're ever to have plastic surgery, interview several doctors, ask to see lots of before/after photos, and REQUEST REFERENCES. Any doctor who won't give you that is one you shouldn't let touch you. They all talk a good game, but many do terrible work.

When I used to travel, the airport bars always seemed to have this deal. I'd order a Bloody Mary and the bartender would ofer to make it a double for a $1.00 more. Since I was going to pay $6.00 for the drink anyway, I'd say sure, go ahead. Hey, twice the alcohol for only a $1.00 more, what a deal.

And women who get boob jobs all seem to take the same attitude. It's going to cost them, say, $10,000 for the boob job. But for an extra $500 they can get C's, and for another $500 they can get D's, and for another $500 they can get 40-DD's. And they say yes, and look utterly ridiculous for the rest of their lives.

I guess they figure, for the pain and money, they may as well suff as much silicone in their chest as humanly possible.

Amy, you may not like big boobs or fake boobs, but many, if not most guys do. The proof is simply the fact that porn actresses with big boobs (with limits) get paid more than those with small ones, and dancers at strip clubs get more and bigger tips when they have big firm boobs either natural or man made.

As for them looking freakish when naked, I suggest visiting your city's highest price strip club. I'm sure you'll find most of the women have boob jobs, and the men like them very, very much. I say visit the high priced club because that's where you'll find the women who spent the most on their surgeries and went to a really good doctor.

I would be interested to know how many women who have had the surgery would do it again? My few friends who have implants love them and would definitely have the operation again.

Finally, just because they don't look "real" doesn't mean they don't look good. Nail polish and lipstick don't look "real" but that doesn't mean they aren't sexy.

Scott, it's true that lots of men like them, but, in my observation, the men who do tend to be less sophisticated than those who prefer a more natural, elegant look. It's the difference between a man who appreciates fine art and one who hangs a stripper poster on his wall. A woman needs to decide which type of guy she's after. If you look like a stripper, it changes the kind of man you'll attract.

My gf got big implants and she complained that the quality of men she attracted went down proportionately (pardon the pun). Before, she attracted more highly-educated men with good jobs, but afterwards, they looked at her, with her stripper-sized boobs, and considered her trashy. They were no longer interested, at least in more than a roll in the hay. So, she had them reduced.

Women also need to consider proportion. If you have a 24 inch waist, a C-cup will look like a D-cup on you, and a double D will look freakish.

Ideally, your breast and hip size should be roughly the same.

I gotta go with LS on this. Reasonable jobs where they go up one cup size, or maybe a size and a half, can be made to look pretty decent. But far too many of them are going up two cup sizes or more; when I see the chest skin stretched to the breaking point, with the sternum bone clearly visible in the cleavage, it makes me cringe because it just looks like it must be painful. And what LS said about proportion holds too. The worst ones are the ones where they not only over-stretch the skin, but there isn't the underlying muscle structure to hold up big ones, and the eventual result is that the nipples wind up at the very top and it looks like a Dali painting.

But the absolute, over the top worst ones are the ones where the woman can never decide what she wants and so has had them done multiple times at different sizes. Everything gets so stretched out that they don't look good at any size any more. Kelly Ripa may as well have her breasts removed for all the good they're doing her at this point.

I know some women get them for self-esteem issues, which I have no problem with; ya gotta do what ya gotta do. But be reasonable with it. Even though I am admittedly a boob man, I'd be much happier with a woman sporting a pair of natural B's, than a pair of B's grotesquely inflated to DD. And besides, breast size is one of those things that go in and out of fashion over time. In the 1920s and 1970s, smaller breasts were a lot more fashionable, and that could come back again.

I thought Mariah looked a complete fright at the Globes. (Tho' to be fair, she is incredibly good & unrecognizable in that uneven movie Precious. She was SO good in a non-flashy supporting role, I actually checked the credits afterward, just to find out the name of the actress. I was absolutely staggered when I discovered it was Mariah Carey.)

Below is a wonderfully lively (and honest) account of cosmetic implants from a woman's POV. From the UK's Daily Mail.

http://tinyurl.com/nsn5zo

I think there's a difference in boobs for the Hollywood set and normal people. The women in my family have zero elasticity in our boobs and after several children we could all have posed on the cover of National Geographic due to our boobs hanging so low. I wanted a lift but after consulting with many surgeons, one a friend of my doctor brother-in-law, it was suggested I get a small implant with my lift. I researched surgeons, saw their work in person and even felt a few. I was given a pair of very natural looking breasts which I never show off. I do not wear cleavage baring clothing or skin tight clothing. I remained conservative in my dress.
My primary reason for my surgery was because of my own discomfort. I couldn't even wear pajamas without a bra. They literally hung so low and not just a little low but down to my navel. It was a surgery that I had for my own peace of mind and not to attract a man or for any man's pleasure. I have never been sorry for doing it and if I had to do it all over again, I would.
Not everyone wants to look the way Mariah Carey or some of these porn stars look. I know quite a few people who have had plastic surgery within reason for different things. They went to good surgeons and look natural, not fake. Its a shame to see these young girls in Hollywood having so many procedures that really are not necessary, but Hollywood was always a different animal.

I went over and looked at the pictures.....what were we talking about again?

Seriously,

Natural is better. Let me repeat that:

NATURAL IS BETTER. My wife has talked of getting a cup size enlargement. I don't want her to. I like her just the way she is.

And someone has to say it:

More than a mouthful is a waste anyway. :)

Boob jobs? What about hair coloring? Contact lenses? Varicose veins? Nail polish? Good dental work? Skin treatments? Where does one draw the line?
For me, nothing looks better than a really hot female athlete, big boobs or no. Back when people took step class, I had some teachers hotter than anything. The step class gives the female form a delightful shape.
Exercise and diet can do a lot. A good boob job is great too.

augmentation is different than giving you what could never be. I think if people were able to really look at themselves as other people see them, then they would make a better decision. It would be hard though... Since we DON't actually see ourselves that way, it could be quite unflattering. "I look like a complete idiot when I stand that way..." But at least it would be true. There is prolly motion capture software where they could give you an overall idea of what you would look like with augmentation, so that the decision would be good.

OTOH... how often and how long are you nekkid anyway? You are most often clothed, and how you look that way is how most people perceive you, so I suppose the tradeoff the women make is acceptable to them if they look good in clothes...

What is the reason that we do all this? there's a complication...

fwiw, I have always found small breated women to be incredibly agressive in bed ... blessed in other ways

I think that the moon b**bs are a deliberate look. They're seen as sexy in certain cultures. But I have seen breast enhancements that were well done and relatively inconspicuous. These were probably performed similarly to the approach that Kristen describes.

It's my impression that a lot of women get drawn into augmentations when what they're really hoping to do is restore the tone and shape of their breasts. For instance, a woman I'd dated a few years ago had some work done because she'd said that as she got into her 30's, her breasts 'deflated', and she was so self conscious about them that she didn't want men to see her topless. She was pretty sharp and psychologically healthy, so I don't think that this arose from some sort of neurotic insecurity. It was something she'd done to get it off of her mind and feel confident w/ men again.

I dated a girl who had fake boobs. She got small B's. She was completely flat before and just wanted enough to have something at all.
I didn't know her before she had them done. They looked good although I didn't like how they felt. She was happy with them but was tired of explaining why she only got B's.

Some look good, some don't. I never thought about the gravity/age situation. They'll go great with grannie's tramp stamp, I guess. (shudder)

The good doctors put them behind the muscle. It's quite possible that I've seen women that I thought just had great natural breasts that did, in fact, have implants. If they're done right, you shouldn't be able to tell. Yet, I think there are some women who want them to look fake. I don't really understand why, but it seems almost like a status symbol for some...like, "oh look, my boyfriend bought me boobs."

I'd probably get them if mine started sagging or looking misshapen. I'm lucky in that mine have stayed in pretty good shape, even through two kids and breastfeeding. It all has to do with genetics and how they sit on the muscle.

But if I was going to do it, I know which surgeon I'd go to. I've seen photos of his boob jobs and they look so natural, you can't tell. None of the curve at the top or "balloon look".

In general, the really good plastic surgeons don't advertise. They have such positive word-of-mouth they don't need to. So, be wary of those who advertise heavily, and also many who end up being featured in magazines. They often have PR people who place them in publications like, "the top plastic surgeons in the country" that are really advertisments, not objective reviews.

Also, a plastic surgeon isn't usually good at everything. They have their specialties. One may be better at face lifts, another at tummy tucks, and another at boobs. It's best to ask around, and, like I said, get references so you can actually talk to people who have had the same type of work done and see how they feel.

They have teardrop-shaped implants to avoid the half-a-melon look. My mom got hers done in her 40's, due to sag etc, and hers looked normal then and normal now, in her 60's. They were behind her muscle, and she's never had a problem with them. She did say it felt wicked-weird when she'd drink something cold, because the whole implant got cold too.

I've toyed with getting them. Esp after all the babies did their thing with my boobs. A tummy-tuck comes first though. And I'm lucky, insurance will pay a lot of mine (better get it done quick though, I'm sure Obama will ruin that) because my muscles herniated during the pregnancies. Yippee.

We need more fake boobs from women like we need more comb-overs from men. They're a joke to everyone but the owner.

"Amy, you may not like big boobs or fake boobs, but many, if not most guys do."

I can't think that I've ever met any guy who prefers fakes, and every guy I've ever heard discuss them has only had negative things to say about fakes, so I have to wonder if augmentation isn't so widespread mainly as a result of skillful marketing to women. Either that, or I'm just tending to meet a certain type of man in my circles.

I used to think I didn't like fake breasts. Then I realized that I didn't like "bad" fake boob jobs. Bad being poorly done (e.g. major scaring) or too big. Do not skimp to save a dollar or 1000.

A friend of girl I was dating was talking about getting them and I said I really didn't like fake ones... my girlfriend and I were fooling around later and she was like "do you like my breasts?" "Yeah" "They are so fake! I am really only an A cup!" I couldn't tell at all.

I think a lot has to do with body size. The girls who have a bigger frame seem to do better. I think the smaller framed girls just to so easily slip into the too big realm. The one girl I knew who was REALLY unhappy with hers was 5'1" or so and about 100lbs. She complained that people thought she was a stripper and guys just stared at them. I think a lot has to do with how one dresses. I dated an older lady who had hers done when she lost her natural breasts to cancer...I didn't think anything of them till the top came off and their are these huge things that are so fake...they almsot looked like they were glued on.

A person thinking about getting them should also be aware that as time goes them may need to get bigger implants later on. Another firend of the previous mentioned GF had one of hers leak. When she got them replaced they had to go bigger (she didn't want to)...and while they were clearly fake before, afterward they were silly looking.

Golden Globes indeed!

Boob jobs are like men's hairpieces. There are good toupee's and there are bad toupee's but they all look like toupee's.

They aren't meant to last forever either. A lot of women don't realize that you're supposed to have them replaced every ten years or so. A friend of a friend of mine was just leaving on a cruise and one of hers burst. She had to go the entire cruise with one flat boob and the other perky. She'd had them just over ten years, so they were out of warrantee (that sounds so ridiculous to say!).

I think if you are really unhappy with the shape or size of your breasts, where it genuinely makes you uncomfortable or ashamed, then it's worth doing IF you have a great surgeon.

The bad jobs are worse than having no breasts, in my opinion. If you're going to have a scarred, fake, hard, balloon-looking set on your chest, trust me, most men would definitely prefer your natural state over that.

My girlfriend had a really bad job - one of her nipples got scarred and stretched and the areola spread out like a pancake, so she has one huge pancake-looking nipple and one normal one, and they're not even. One points up and one points down.

She looks hot in clothes though - little Ts really show them off and she gets tons of attention. I honestly think that some women don't care how they look naked - just in clothes. But I would feel like I was false advertising knowing the mess I was going to reveal once the top came off.

Christina Hendricks wins the Golden Globes award. Oh my Gosh.

Well ultimately its for one the boob job was performed on. It's all attention all the time. But the clothes eventually come off and the truth is exposed so why go through the crap and possible damage of plastic surgery. I just seems like such a waste of time and money excepting those that need reonstructive surgery. If I suspect forged boobs I'm gone.

Lovelysoul is correct about the surgeons. Most good ones do not advertise. We do have one here on Long Island that does advertise quite a bit, but I know people who have had work by him and it he's done beautiful work. For the most part though, its word of mouth which was how I found mine. I knew a few women who had gone to him for their own reasons. If they hadn't told me, I would never have known which is why I chose that surgeon. I didn't want an ass on my chest. I did go to C's because my frame is bigger and A's or B's would not have fit with my body. I was a DD before my surgery and they were not pretty. I'll take a fake C over ultra saggy DD's any day!

I like Kate Winslet's gown, but Diane Kruger looked like she was attacked by a cake-decorating class.

This has no direct relevance to the subject of fake tits, but years back I recall reading somewhere that a woman said she'd been preventing her tits from drooping too much as she got older by immersing them in cold water before bed each night. Low tech and safe.

I'm attracted to women with big tits, and was married to one. She turned out to be quite a b***h (not apparent to me when we married) and we divorced. I was younger then and more naive. Sometimes one of a good looking person's most important attributes is not readily apparent like you'd wish it to be.

I think Mariah Carey took the expression "Golden Globes" too literally.

LS, I'll tell you one that's worse... I knew a woman who had hers done, and it was a pretty blatant job. Well, she dressed to the very edge of the law in order to show them off... and then she complained about men looking! Jeez.

This is the sort of thing I'm talking about. I'll bet she has to be careful of her nipples when she shaves her armpits.

I've had two friends who have had breast implants.

The first one is 100lb 5'1 that got small D's. She usually dresses very conservative but one time I got to see them really well because she wore a tight shirt. They looked like two ballons glued onto her chest. She also told me they didnt feel real. She's freakin gorgeous and married I have no idea what prompted it. She usually covers them up really well too, in office attire.

My second friend is 140 and has curves but about an A cup breast. And once they were on they look fantastic. Her husband was all for it, and so was she. I must admit they look pretty good and feel a little bit hard. But because she's got curves, an ass and had no tits, I must admit its an improvement. So I understand it in her situation. BTW her husband wanted ridiculous ones but she rightfully so said no.

As to the male side of this. One of my best male friends loves the really big fake kind.

Lol, well thanks to this discussion I've been feeling myself up all day. Mine don't feel hard and I haven't had any complaints from any man I've been intimate with either.

'The nipples are often not sewn back right.

Oooooowwwwww that sounds bad!

Kristen, that's funny. Also, you're "I didn't want an ass on my chest". I laughed about that all evening.

It sounds like you did it the right way and for the right reasons. No one can probably even tell, just like Mr Teflon didn't know about his gf. That's a good boob job.

Lol, LS. And it was refreshing because I did expect the surgeons to try to talk me into bigger or more stuff, and not one did. The surgeon I went with even explained to me that I should expect some drooping eventually because of the elasticity problem with my skin. He set out all the cons before the pros and in fact, was the one who compared a lot of boob jobs to asses on a chest.
I feel comfortable with my reasons and the amount of research I did before I had it done. I think the surgeons in LA or wherever the stars do it also have pressure because if they don't do it, someone else will. What surgeon is going to turn down Mariah Carey although I often wonder how many would proudly claim her as a client.

Rare is the woman who looks better naked with a boob job than without.

In my experience, rare is the man who prefers larger, fake breasts to smaller naturals.

Besides, it's not the breasts, it's the nipples that are compelling.

The idea that some women give up nipple sensitivity for larger bags is horrendous! If nipples are not sensitive, what the hell is the point? Like the guys who get their penis enlarged, but then can't get it up!

The-ass-on-a-chest thing was best discussed here.

I believe this effect is worth the occasional fashion error.

Kristen thanks for reminding us that the best way to gather information about boob jobs is by “word of mouth”.

Late to this party, but for what it's worth, I'm not a big fan of non-OEM parts on anyone, unless there's a good reason (and as some of the comments above have shown, there are good reasons). Since I'm only looking, I rather like variety. Boobular uniformity is boring, and believe it or not, there are many other female features that would override cup size anyway: sweet smile, pretty eyes, etc.

"If nipples are not sensitive, what the hell is the point"

Some aren't sensitive anyway. Like mine. I have no way of knowing a guy is doing anything to them unless I look down. Luckily my guy is an ass/hips man. I've never understood the boob fascination anyway. And a man who was privy to a group of woman talking about it "what does he think it is, a radio tuner? Does he think he's kneading bread dough?" type conversations would probably loose his fascination, too.

I second that, momof4. I never had any real nipple sensitivity (although my breasts are natural), and I wonder how many women actually do. To be honest, I've faked it. I mean, it seems to be something men like or expect, but I never have gotten a sexual charge out of it.

But when I was in Laleche league, the breastfeeding group, a few women would talk about their babies suckling them as if it was practically orgasmic. Some, I suspect, even had orgasms while doing it. Those were the moms still nursing 5 yr olds.

And a man who was privy to a group of woman talking about it "what does he think it is, a radio tuner? Does he think he's kneading bread dough?" type conversations would probably loose his fascination, too.

I hate women who have such conversations with their freinds momof4. There is something about people sitting around and complaining about a problem that could be fixed with a 5 minute conversation that just pisses me off.

I think its the stupidity factor, nothing pisses me off like willful stupidity.

Is it really so hard to say "thats not working for me, lets try this?"

Maybe it just me, maybe coming close to dying half a dozen times before the age of 25 just completely destoryed my ability to put up with peoples inane bullshit.

I think you're being a little harsh, Luj. Of course, if she's in a long-term relationship with the guy, a woman should have a conversation about it, but my impression is that these are usually first (and probably last) encounters, and when a guy is that clueless about nipples, he's usually clueless about many other things. A woman can't stop every few minutes to instruct.

Yet, if that's just a weak area, and otherwise, he's a great guy and lover and the relationship is going to continue, she'll probably talk with him about it...or, better yet, find a way to tell him what she prefers without it seeming critical.

We women are usually advized not to discuss sexual issues in bed, but in a neutral place. You may be fine with being told "this isn't working for me", but a lot of men find that kind "criticism" deflating in the moment.

Lovelysoul thinks people are being harsh!

"this isn't working for me", but a lot of men find that kind "criticism" deflating in the moment.

Because you left off part of Lug's suggestion ... the "try this"

If you're into it all! & giving him something else to go on, there is no criticism to worry about. It's the facing making & eye rolling that's the problem. Or the drawn out drama of "a discussion" later.

and when a guy is that clueless about nipples,

But you said your's weren't sensitive ... so how is he supposed to know ....

To be honest, I've faked it.

Aaaah, that makes sense.

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Personally, I like pinching & twisting.

This must be hostility-for-no-reason day.

It's fine if you like your nipples being treated like radio dials. I doubt most women do. Even though of us with little sensitivity there can still feel pain.

I've had great lovers and truly bad ones. Nobody gets everything perfect, but when you're with a really inept lover - the kind women talk and joke about to each other - there's usually just too much to correct. Momoffour was merely talking about that kind of lover. No amount of "let's try this" is going to fix it, at least not in the time allotted.

If you choose to spend more time with him, then you can make him your personal project, but it's probably best to set him free so he can find someone like you who genuinely likes what he's doing. There's somebody for everyone.

What an interesting conversation, boobs, we women never seem to be satisfied with our own. Not me, I am Asian and you guessed it mine are small and I just love them, they are balanced, shapely and I would not want them any different. Besides never got any complaint about they look. Big fake boobs, implants, no thanks, I am very satisfied, thanks Mom.