Another way for an over-involved government and over-involved legal system to intrude in their citizen's lives, and possibly make money off them in the process i.e. court costs, attorneys fees, fines etc...

And people here think they will never try to take away the right to bear arms.

They will keep educating your children in public schools-aka brainwashing them- until the kids will think there is no other answer than getting rid of guns.

Just another way of keeping people not just physically but psychologically helpless so that they're forced to be dependent on and acquiescent to the state, allowing the state free rein to do anything. A person who can take care of their own basic needs doesn't need a nanny state; hence make it against the law for people to take care of their own basic needs.

That the public generally don't think this is absurd is ridiculous, but testament to how stupid humans are, and how they'll accept absolutely anything as normal, even if it kills them.

The second amendment is rare and precious (possibly even unique amongst countries); it will always be under attack and must always be defended.

That the public generally don't think this is absurd is ridiculous, but testament to how stupid humans are, and how they'll accept absolutely anything as normal, even if it kills them.

The fact it happened doesn't mean the public don't think it's absurd. The problem isn't people thinking it's right - the problem is people being far too apathetic to do anything about it.

Oh, and in response to Amy's original question ("How Screwed Is Life In The PC UK?"), the answer is:

Very.

Hmm, where were the vaunted security services? Didn't they see the youths on a street camera up to no good? Was MI5 not listening in on their "mobiles"?

Dear God, please let Texas stay Texas even through this stupid PC time we live in, so that I can continue to have the right to protect myself, others, and my property, by deadly force if necessary. In Jesus name I pray, Amen.

You do realize that according to the dictates of your relgion that by praying publically you will not get what you asked for, right?

I'm not normally of the "pry from my cold, dead hands" group; but this is ridiculous.

This is one of the main reasons (inability to guarantee the safety of the populace) that the Labour Party will go down in flames when Gordon Brown finally calls the election.

"You do realize that according to the dictates of your relgion that by praying publically you will not get what you asked for, right?"

Keep on telling me about my religion, Luj, and I'll tell you about all the people that really are out to get you, really they are!

If anyone on this board has not seen "A Clockwork Orange" go rent it on DVD. If you have seen it, make sure to watch it again. Keep the kids out of the room though. Talk about prescient. Isabel

momof4: what kind of gun do you think Jesus would arm Himself with? Semi-auto? Would He use hollow-points? Shoot to wound, or would He go for the head shot?

what kind of gun do you think Jesus would arm Himself with? Semi-auto? Would He use hollow-points? Shoot to wound, or would He go for the head shot?

Probably an M4. Good enough for the Marines, good enough for Him.

momof4: what kind of gun do you think Jesus would arm Himself with? Semi-auto? Would He use hollow-points? Shoot to wound, or would He go for the head shot?

Posted by: franko at January 10, 2010 10:30 PM
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Probably the one that would follow an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth etc...

Just because Christians are suppossed to be moral it doeesn't mean they have to be weak and let people walk all over them.

"momof4: what kind of gun do you think Jesus would arm Himself with? "

Well Peter or somebody was carrying a sword when Jesus was arrested - remember how he lopped the ear off one of the Temple guards - and that was the equivalent of an M4 at the time, so momof4 is about bang on the money with that one. But then again, Peter was a bubba.

BTW, how heavy can Roman occupation have been that they let Jews walk around with swords?

This is the sort of thing that happens when you don't have a Second Amendment. See, people get all wrapped up in specific types of weapons that they think the Second Amendment does or does not allow, and they're ultimately smissing the point. The Second Amendment is about the right to be secure in your property and your person. It's about the right to defend yourself and what's yours.

Without the right to defend yourself, all the other rights are meaningless.

Would my shoe be considered an "Offensive Weapon" if I kicked the ass of those teens if they tried to attack me in my own home?

If so, lock me up cuz it's on...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8451877.stm

All of the initial reporting turns out to have been bullshit. Funny thing, the media not reporting things accurately. How shocked I am.

I do believe I said something a while back on another thread about the media being responsible for a lot of today's problems.

Fuck. The. Media.

"The fact it happened doesn't mean the public don't think it's absurd. The problem isn't people thinking it's right - the problem is people being far too apathetic to do anything about it."

I know and work with many Europeans, and believe me, they don't think it's absurd at all; they are totally brainwashed into the notion that only the state should provide any kind of defence for individuals, and that individuals do not have the right to defend themselves. I've had arguments with many of them who tell me the only valid response if somebody attacks you is to call the police and wait.

donald, I know it's probably hard for an American to believe, but they really are totally different. In one discussion with an otherwise intelligent European, I even asked directly 'so if a young girl is being raped and attacked and the police aren't around to stop it, you think she does not have the right to defend herself' and the response was literally 'yes she should not have that right' (based on the notion that society will be safer for everyone if everyone is civilized and nobody carries weapons etc). And this isn't unusual, most Europeans I know think like this. So yeah, think whatever you want.

And this isn't unusual, most Europeans I know think like this. So yeah, think whatever you want.

I'm fucking British...!

Just as you can tell me off and slap my wrist for having uninformed opinions about the USA, consider yourself told-off and wrist-slapped!

I'd appreciate not having all of Europe labelled as some kind of retarded 'country' where everyone feels young girls should lie back and shout "do me, big boy, do me good!" everytime some leering rapist decides he's spent enough time playing on his computer for today, thank you very much.

I know we're a whole international flight away from the US, but please - give us a little credit!

In one discussion with an otherwise intelligent European, I even asked directly 'so if a young girl is being raped and attacked and the police aren't around to stop it, you think she does not have the right to defend herself' and the response was literally 'yes she should not have that right'.

Oh, and I want to call bullshit on this anecdote. Either that or gross miscontext. But most likely bullshit.

"Oh, and I want to call bullshit on this anecdote. Either that or gross miscontext. But most likely bullshit."

Nope, dead serious. And it's really not an unusual response; I've had similar such discussions with Belgians, Germans and Dutch people, though admittedly, now that you mention it, I haven't noticed it much in the UK, where I've spent the most time.

I certainly don't think Europe is 'retarded' (far from it, in general I think it's probably, relatively speaking, the most thoughtful, sensible and intellectual part of the world), but *every* people have *some* topics about which they 'are retarded', and for (perhaps just some) European countries, this is one. Americans are more sensible in this area while having their own 'retarded blind-spots'; it's just what happens with cultures, since people tend to mimic their peers more than think things through, and even when they're right it's usually not because they came to the correct conclusion through rational logic, but because they by chance mimic'd the incidental correctness of enough of their peers.

Thank God I live in Texas. We are legally permitted to have a handgun in our vehicles out of plain sight, we have use of force laws that favor the citizen not the criminal. I'm not saying it is better, I'm just saying I'm glad I can choose.

There is a saying, "better judged by 12 than carried by 6" - meaning at trial rather than by pallbearers.