She should have to start her business like evryone else. Get a loan/investors whatever it takes. But a grant. Thta party just bought alifetime voter with that grant. Disgusting!

Ummm ... GM did file for bankruptcy.

Damn, stuff like this is starting to make our friend BOTU actually sound sensible.

AllenS, that's true, but the bankruptcy process didn't get to play out the way the law says it's supposed to... the government short-circuited it. A bunch of GM's and particularly Chrysler's creditors and shareholders got stiffed by the federal government strong-arming its way into a priority position in the settlements.

It could be argued that they are also creating a tax payer for life. If those shit faced cock masters from BOA got billions I have little problem with someone getting a grant to start a business. Think of it this way, you can either give them the 12,500 or you can give her bank the 12,500 when she fails and defaults on the loan. Also those same shit face cock masters won't lend, neither will the CC. Just about to cancel my last card since those assholes refused me a $200 cash advance for 2 days. Pulling money out of long term saving would have cost me a fortune. Still really pissed, though the fault is primarily mine and I admit it openly.

For all the tax payer dollars wasted on making banks happy this is about the only thing that might boost the economy. But no I agree this was not covered in the Constitution. Doubt the founding fathers would have even contemplated something like this. Otherwise they would have likely forbidden it outright.

@Cousin Dave, actually, that is the end result of any bankruptcy ... your creditors and shareholders get stiffed.

Now I'm not advocating gov't bailouts for anybody, including the big 3 automakers. But it did rankle me that the banks got $700B with no stings attached while GM was given $17B along with a gov't takeover of the business.

"Think of it this way, you can either give them the 12,500 or you can give her bank the 12,500 when she fails and defaults on the loan."

Threat of another wrong doesn't make the first one right. I am going into business for myself and getting me a grant while the gettin's good. Maybe I can make little pillows out of the hair my car sheds?

"I am going into business for myself and getting me a grant while the gettin's good." You got pregnant 4 times and by law if your bread winner dies without leaving enough money we as tax payers get to cover you, with NO possible return on our investment. It would be for a hell of a lot more than $12K. On the other hand if you have found a car that sheds, get that grant I'd love to say I have a car hair hat.

BTW if you meant cat hair there is an identical bushiness that's is quite lucrative. They weave cat hair with silk to make garments.

I know people who have gotten these grants locally and it takes a certain kind of hustler who is familiar with government bureaucracy. They really are not the poor schmuck trying to start a body shop or plumbing business. Often they're former govt employees who just happen to know the ropes and the grantwriting biz. It's not real and usually the outfits fold like a house of cards in a couple years.

Sadly, most cities and towns and schools get by on this largesse. Nothing is real anymore, no one knows how to get by on purely local revenue.

"You got pregnant 4 times and by law if your bread winner dies without leaving enough money we as tax payers get to cover you, with NO possible return on our investment. "

Nasty, Vlad, and were that the case I would be quite the lazy clod. DH is insured for $1 million, me for half that. Only stupid parents don't insure themselves properly, and I am not stupid.

Yes, I meant cat, and I actually heard of that business on tv yesterday as the girls watched animal plant. It struck me as highly absurd, but if they're making money, more power to them!

So, if you sell goat milk as is you'll get raided by the FBI, but if you mix it with chemicals (which would actually kill you to ingest) you get my money to sell it as face cream?

So let me get this straight: the federal government wants to ban raw milk from goats...unless it's used for soaps and cosmetics. Then they'll subsidize it. Gotcha.

@Vlad: why would you want to do business with Banco de las Americas anyway, those supporters of doing business with illegal aliens? Just ditch the [manure] face [rooster] masters now and don't look back!

Amy can tell you all the problems she had with Banco de las Americas.

So let me get this straight: the federal government wants to ban raw milk from goats...unless it's used for soaps and cosmetics. Then they'll subsidize it. Gotcha.

Ohio was trying to penalize Amish farmers years ago for not storing milk (to be made into cheese -- i.e. adding bacteria to curd milk) below 57 degrees.

Nothing amazes me anymore.