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Congratulations. You've just discovered the world's most visually annoying video.
Patrick
at January 4, 2011 3:00 AM
Well, the information is right on. People who defend Islam as if it's just just another flavor of belief -- as if it's strawberry to Christianity's chocolate -- need to know this stuff.
I would try just listening without looking at it, but unfortunately, I need the words because the accent is thick enough to cut with a chainsaw!
Patrick
at January 4, 2011 6:03 AM
I take issue with the characterization of domestic violence as a "minor dispute." (Around 4:40) And I would consider it a major issue if Sharia was actually influencing cases involving domestic violence. Sharia permits husbands to hit their wives. And a wife who hits her husband would undoubtedly be put to death, although I couldn't cite the chapter and verse.
Yeah, there's gotta be some Mac program that generates those graphics because they crop up so frequently in videos like this one.
And I'm biased and probably wrong, but it really screams Mactard.
jerry
at January 4, 2011 7:41 AM
There's one problem with this video. There's a classic instance of "poisoning the well." It claims (and it be 100% true) that Muslims have been given permission, even encouragement, to lie to Westerners, when it advances Sharia.
So, basically, you can never believe anything a Muslim tells you. Even if they maintain an appearance of friendship, that could be seen as an act performed in order to gain our trust for the purpose of advancing Sharia. So, no Muslim is ever to be trusted by anyone, ever, for any reason.
Well, I have a reason. The Muslims on my Facebook I've known since high school and they are my friends. I don't believe they have any intention of subverting the U.S. government, forcing me to convert to Islam or killing me if I don't.
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/01/understanding-i-1.html#comment-1814708">comment from Patrick
People lie. Muslim, Catholic, atheist, Jewish, Wiccan people. But, there is this institutionalized lying built into Islam, to further the advance of Islam. Unlike any other religion. It's rather disgusting.
Amy, have you seen this excerpt from a book called The Evolution of God? It talks about the sword verse of the Koran and attempts to give some context (like the immediately preceding and subsequent sentences):
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/01/understanding-i-1.html#comment-1814782">comment from Honest Question
On deadline now, please lay out what the background of the people behind it is, and give some examples.
I think, in this video, the bit about how later verses of the Quran abrogate the earlier verses encouraging love and peace is very important. People don't know that -- they don't understand that everything in the Quran is not of equal weight. The evil stuff comes last, for the most part, unfortunately.
And I'll say it again -- I don't care if you want to believe in god, astrology, or in a moon made of green cheese. If you don't want to kill other people who disagree with you and don't violate other people's human rights, well, have at it.
No, Patrick, the fact that you know good honest Muslims doesn't mean that Islam doesn't preach that lying in order to promote or protect Islam is okay. It means that either your friends aren't observing that particular teaching, perhaps that their sect doesn't teach it, or that your friends aren't talking to you about Islam.
I really, really hate that sort of argument, when one tries judging what a given religion does or doesn't teach by what one's own friends and neighbors observe instead of the actual seriously-you-can-check-it-yourself sermons, holy books, etc. We all know of a Catholic who practices contraception, or a Mormon who drinks or a Muslim who sneaks some bacon every now and then. It doesn't mean a darn thing about what the religion actually teaches.
Jenny Had A Chance
at January 4, 2011 2:37 PM
Jenny: No, Patrick, the fact that you know good honest Muslims doesn't mean that Islam doesn't preach that lying in order to promote or protect Islam is okay.
I never said it didn't. Kindly learn to read. You pathologically-inferring types are beginning to bore me.
Congratulations. You've just discovered the world's most visually annoying video.
Patrick at January 4, 2011 3:00 AM
Well, the information is right on. People who defend Islam as if it's just just another flavor of belief -- as if it's strawberry to Christianity's chocolate -- need to know this stuff.
Amy Alkon at January 4, 2011 5:47 AM
I would try just listening without looking at it, but unfortunately, I need the words because the accent is thick enough to cut with a chainsaw!
Patrick at January 4, 2011 6:03 AM
I take issue with the characterization of domestic violence as a "minor dispute." (Around 4:40) And I would consider it a major issue if Sharia was actually influencing cases involving domestic violence. Sharia permits husbands to hit their wives. And a wife who hits her husband would undoubtedly be put to death, although I couldn't cite the chapter and verse.
Patrick at January 4, 2011 6:14 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/01/understanding-i-1.html#comment-1814590">comment from PatrickOn a woman hitting her husband:
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/2083
Amy Alkon
at January 4, 2011 6:47 AM
Yeah, there's gotta be some Mac program that generates those graphics because they crop up so frequently in videos like this one.
And I'm biased and probably wrong, but it really screams Mactard.
jerry at January 4, 2011 7:41 AM
There's one problem with this video. There's a classic instance of "poisoning the well." It claims (and it be 100% true) that Muslims have been given permission, even encouragement, to lie to Westerners, when it advances Sharia.
So, basically, you can never believe anything a Muslim tells you. Even if they maintain an appearance of friendship, that could be seen as an act performed in order to gain our trust for the purpose of advancing Sharia. So, no Muslim is ever to be trusted by anyone, ever, for any reason.
Well, I have a reason. The Muslims on my Facebook I've known since high school and they are my friends. I don't believe they have any intention of subverting the U.S. government, forcing me to convert to Islam or killing me if I don't.
Patrick at January 4, 2011 8:16 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/01/understanding-i-1.html#comment-1814708">comment from PatrickPeople lie. Muslim, Catholic, atheist, Jewish, Wiccan people. But, there is this institutionalized lying built into Islam, to further the advance of Islam. Unlike any other religion. It's rather disgusting.
Amy Alkon
at January 4, 2011 8:23 AM
Amy, have you seen this excerpt from a book called The Evolution of God? It talks about the sword verse of the Koran and attempts to give some context (like the immediately preceding and subsequent sentences):
http://evolutionofgod.net/swordverse
I'm curious to hear what you think of it.
Honest Question at January 4, 2011 8:38 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/01/understanding-i-1.html#comment-1814782">comment from Honest QuestionOn deadline now, please lay out what the background of the people behind it is, and give some examples.
I think, in this video, the bit about how later verses of the Quran abrogate the earlier verses encouraging love and peace is very important. People don't know that -- they don't understand that everything in the Quran is not of equal weight. The evil stuff comes last, for the most part, unfortunately.
And I'll say it again -- I don't care if you want to believe in god, astrology, or in a moon made of green cheese. If you don't want to kill other people who disagree with you and don't violate other people's human rights, well, have at it.
Amy Alkon
at January 4, 2011 8:58 AM
No, Patrick, the fact that you know good honest Muslims doesn't mean that Islam doesn't preach that lying in order to promote or protect Islam is okay. It means that either your friends aren't observing that particular teaching, perhaps that their sect doesn't teach it, or that your friends aren't talking to you about Islam.
I really, really hate that sort of argument, when one tries judging what a given religion does or doesn't teach by what one's own friends and neighbors observe instead of the actual seriously-you-can-check-it-yourself sermons, holy books, etc. We all know of a Catholic who practices contraception, or a Mormon who drinks or a Muslim who sneaks some bacon every now and then. It doesn't mean a darn thing about what the religion actually teaches.
Jenny Had A Chance at January 4, 2011 2:37 PM
Jenny: No, Patrick, the fact that you know good honest Muslims doesn't mean that Islam doesn't preach that lying in order to promote or protect Islam is okay.
I never said it didn't. Kindly learn to read. You pathologically-inferring types are beginning to bore me.
Patrick at January 4, 2011 10:43 PM
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