Do You Sleep With A Pig?
No, I'm not talking about your spouse. A pig of the four-legged variety, I mean -- or any other kind of creature that isn't classified as human.
My friend Bob Morris has a fun piece piece in The New York Times about people who sleep with their pets -- sometimes a source of relationship conflict for the not-so-pet-friendly:
When Ms. Rudd, 47, met her current husband, she said she knew he was the one because when he put his arm around her in bed during the night, causing her dog to growl and nip at him, he didn't seem to mind."He just said he respected her for defending her space," Ms. Rudd said.
As a result, the dog respected him and a lasting marriage was born.
Perhaps one day it will be the same for Ms. Ruttenberg with her upstate menagerie. "Although I'm starting to think it's not likely," she said.
Most gentlemen callers don't even make it to the bedroom. One bolted when Ms. Ruttenberg, who has a total of 160 animals on her sprawling mountainside property, let a baby goat into the living room after Trixie, the pig, had already joined the visit.
"I thought he would find a little goat charming," she said. "But after the pig, it was too much for him. Especially as the goat, Iris, was leaving droppings on the floor."
Another date fled, after some wine and a soak in the hot tub under the stars, when Oola, one of the resident pigs (black, 150 pounds) charged and tried to bite him.
"And then, the last guy I had in the bed was freaked out by the rabbit," Ms. Ruttenberg said. "He's huge, and he got territorial seeing this guy in the room, so he started thumping and picking up his dish in his mouth and tossing it in our direction."
Bye-bye, boyfriend. Hello, love?
"The truth is, with all my animals around me, I feel loved here, and I always have someone to come home to and someone who misses me when I'm away," said Ms. Ruttenberg, who grew up on the Upper East Side and got her first pet, a dog, 20 years ago, after a terrible romantic breakup.
Ms. Ruttenberg's mother frets that her daughter has put herself in the permanent zone of marriage ineligibility. But Ms. Ruttenberg is too busy making art, having fun and cooking for her animals (baked potatoes, squash, scrambled eggs with truffle oil for the pigs) to worry about it.
Do you sleep with a beast? (Human or non?) What are your thoughts on pets in the bed?
I sleep with Lucy in my bed (she curls up right under my chin), but not when Gregg (or "Grogg," as I've recently taken to calling him) is here, lest he roll over and create a furry little Yorkie pancake. When he falls asleep on the couch, however, Lucy will mount him and stand on top for a minute like she owns him (which she totally does!) and then take a nap on the Gregg promontory.







In a word, No.
For me the whole animal-in-the-bed (or even in the bedroom) is a deal-breaker.
stephen - nyc at February 26, 2011 10:01 AM
Usually the cat, sometimes the dog but every once in a while a horse. A Shetland mind you. Wife does not care except as long as she does not have to give up her side of the bed. Often the reverse is true too. If I have a sick one and am sleeping in the barn to keep watch my Shetland will lay down beside me and sleep
Horse at February 26, 2011 10:10 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/02/do-you-sleep-wi.html#comment-1851626">comment from stephen - nycIn a word, No. For me the whole animal-in-the-bed (or even in the bedroom) is a deal-breaker.
Ever been in a situation where it was you or the...dog, hog, or other?
Amy Alkon
at February 26, 2011 10:12 AM
Cats. Two. One isn't a bed cat, but the other likes to crawl under the covers and tuck herself between your legs. Little slut that she is, she doesn't particularly care whose legs - when I have friends stay over they often find a furry surprise cuddled up to them in the night.
Another, sadly deceased, used to curl up against my side as well. I would wake up completely pinned down with one either side.
Ever been in a situation where it was you or the...dog, hog, or other?
Would never get that far. The cats' bed privileges are non-negotiable, and I seem to mostly be attracted to people who think similarly. Ok, if they're being complete pains, I'll kick them out for sex. But they get let back in afterwards.
Ltw at February 26, 2011 10:46 AM
I think I'd draw the line at a goat and a pig though. But the guy who ran from the rabbit needs to get a grip.
Ltw at February 26, 2011 10:49 AM
The cat owns the bed. Seriously, if you don't make a "pillow" for her in the crook of your arm, you aren't going to be sleeping. Ever.
I'd draw the line at farm animals, though. That seems a bit strange.
Daghain at February 26, 2011 10:58 AM
Two labs and two cats, all female, share my king bed. When my youngest daughter visits every other weekend, her beagle (male) joins in the morning til I feed them all. My daughter has her own room and bed, and she is rejoined by her dog and one of my labs after all the pets are fed, until she gets up.
I would let my two horses join in, but that would be unhealthy, for them.
Dave B at February 26, 2011 11:01 AM
Both cats sleep on the bed, one sometimes, the other one most nights as she's old and recently lost a lot of weight and gets cold. She sleeps there whether I'm in the bed or not. I would let a dog on the bed too but all pets need to get off when there's activity going on. :-)
Catherine at February 26, 2011 11:56 AM
My sweet little old pug lady. When my boyfriend stays over, she chooses whose pillow she is going to steal. Whoever gets their pillow "pugged" has to use HER as a pillow. My boyfriend completely adores her and doesn't mind at all. She is not the least bit territorial and is never anything but mellow and loving.
Pirate Jo at February 26, 2011 12:01 PM
I wouldn't dream of sleeping without my Chihauhua. He doesn't take up any room at all and stays on my side of the bed, so my husband doesn't mind. But, I've never cared for my cat sleeping with me. She always wants to lay on my pillow right next to my head. The farm animal lady sounds quite nutty, by the way. I can't believe her house is even liveable.
KarenW at February 26, 2011 12:20 PM
I couldn't let the dog sleep on the bed, she would get up in the middle of the night and step on me.
The cat sometimes sleeps by me side on the bed, sometimes on me, sometimes some random place in the house. But she's so tiny I don't notice.
Farm animals are not gonna happen. That's just wrong.
brian at February 26, 2011 12:42 PM
Our two Bostons sleep in a crate at home, in another room. We call it their room. We say 'Go to your room.' and they go there. However, when we travel, we have to let them sleep with us. If we don't, they make so much noise, we could get kicked out the hotel. It almost happened once. It seems that in a strange place, they are insecure and want to be with their pack.
OTOH, with a previous wife, she had a very territorial poodle. He slept in the bed when I was not there. When I was home he was kicked out. To get even, he would crawl up under the covers without disturbing them, and throw up on my side of the bed. This was not an accident. He did this more than once and never did it when I wasn't home.
Our daughter, who is single, sleeps with three dogs. Saves on heat I guess.
ken in sc at February 26, 2011 12:46 PM
I think one of the best parts of owning pets (cats/dogs) is having them sleep in the bed with you.
Esther at February 26, 2011 12:48 PM
A few years back when we lived on the mountain we had a (125 lb) Akita, a (140 lb) Leonburger and a Bernease Mountain Dog (150+ lbs) that all jumped up on our king size bed. We stopped that when we adopted a baby, though. Nothing will make you sleep more securely than 400 pounds of friendly claws and teeth.
Eric at February 26, 2011 1:46 PM
My two labs and two cats slept with me in a Queen sized bed. I began dating someone seriously who didn't believe in animals in the bed and hated the hair. Because he only stayed two nights a week, I tried to keep the animals off the nights he stayed but would wake up to all of them on top of me. Eventually he accepted that they had years on him being in the bed and he gave up.
Kristen at February 26, 2011 2:43 PM
What do y'all think of the snoring/purring? I know pugs probably snore and gurgle more than most other dogs, but it's similar to the way cats purr. I'm not sure I could even get to sleep without that droning sound. Somehow it lets me know all is well, and I find it very comforting.
Pirate Jo at February 26, 2011 3:00 PM
I don't, now. Slept with my cat when I saw single though, it was nice. I dno't know it's the animals, so much as the poop, turning off these men. I'd be disgusted by poop in the house, no matter the animal.
momof4 at February 26, 2011 3:04 PM
Whenever I stay over at my parents' house, my mugsy-wugsy-moo-moo-may sleeps in the bed with me. But if my boyfriend and I ever get an animal, it's NOT joining us -- because I wouldn't feel comfortable getting busy with chocolate-brown doggie eyes watching.
sofar at February 26, 2011 3:25 PM
My cat sleeps on the bed. Some times she wakes me to get under my hand.
But she's my furry little alarm clock. She woke me up at 6:50 this morning by standing on my chest an purring. Its all about her.
Jim P. at February 26, 2011 6:16 PM
I won't say it, but it's really funny...
Radwaste at February 26, 2011 6:20 PM
I could not imagine sleeping without a pet. I had a cat for 13 years and the purring was the most relaxing feeling ever.
Pugs are amazing, they snore and I absolutely love love love it. Male pugs are especially needy which suited my mom perfectly. I remember when my parents would go off to work he would come into my room and scream at me to pick him up and put him in the bed. You can not ignore a pug scream.
And pug races are absolutely the best. They run in the wrong direction, stop for a moment and have the most confused expression on their faces. Pugs are dummies but it makes them absolutely charming.
Ppen at February 26, 2011 7:13 PM
Poop in the house (outside of designated pooping areas like litterboxes) is unacceptable. A goat in the house is weird, a pooping goat is unaccpetable (I've heard pigs can be housebroken like dogs). Animals getting aggressive/ dominant with houseguests is not acceptable.
Our cat sleeps on the bed, usually at out feet. The dog is rarely allowed to sleep the night outside of his crate. He is an insanely good watchdog like the rest of the breed. And he watches out the windows and bark to let us know about anything suspicious - like baby strollers, drunken neighbors, black labs, and UPS drivers. We crate him to keep him away from the windows at night so he doesn't wake us up.
My fiance doesn't have a problem with it though. It's his idea to get a king size bed if we get another cat (or three).
Elle at February 26, 2011 8:29 PM
Cats are a matter of taste. Dogs? Any sort of working breed should never sleep on the owner's bed. This would be really bad dog psychology, and is not doing the dog any sort of favor. Dogs that have been bred to be lapdogs (like Amy's yorkie) may be an exception to this - I don't know, as I have no experience with these breeds.
Some women make it clear that their pets are more important to them than a man ever could be. This is probably a matter of security - pet "love" is very unconditional, whereas involvement with a person involves emotional risk.
If she won't kick the dog (cat, goat, rabbit...) out of the bed when you come over, it's best to save yourself the trouble of a contest you cannot win. Just head for the door...
a_random_guy at February 27, 2011 12:07 AM
Farm animals, a goat pooping in the house?!?! I would have run far and run fast had I been that guy. WTF is wrong with that woman. I think there is something seriously wrong with that woman and she may want to talk to someone about her need/desire to maintain so many animals. And if farm animals are pooping in the house, I can't imagine that her house is very clean and I'm not sure many people would want to have a sleepover with her! Can you imagine what surprise might be waiting for you between the sheets?!?! I have two dogs and both sleep in my room. On the floor. Never in my bed. I have to maintain the alpha position in the house and if I allowed them in the bed, I would have a hard time keeping that position. And believe me, with a 70 and 95 pound Boxer, that's not a position I care to give up. My daughters allow the dogs in their beds and then they wonder why the dogs aren't as responsive to them when they give a command. One of the dogs snores, LOUDLY. If he's asleep on my daughter's bed and I go downstairs, I can hear him snoring through the floor.
If I'm dating someone new, I will send the dogs out if the guy requests it. I warn them about the snoring, but also let them know that they stay on the floor on their bed. Visitors crack up when they find out my dogs go to bed at the same time every night and will harass me to take them to bed if I'm up past bedtime. They don't care that company is there.
A couple of years ago I was dating someone who ended the relationship after a few months because I was too involved with my kids and dogs. He was of the opinion that dogs lived in backyards...which I no longer had, but not sure what he thought I should have done with my kids. In reality he just wanted someone without any responsibilities, it really had nothing to do with my pets, per se.
sara at February 27, 2011 5:48 AM
Ppen, are you talking about the sound this dog is making?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iaj6lApFuaY
My pug has never made a noise like that, but if you aren't being a speedy enough treat dispenser for her taste, she will spin in a circle and then go "AROO-WOO-WOO-WOO!!!" at you until you pick up the pace. It is so funny that sometimes I make her "give me a woo-woo" before I give out a treat.
I think you posted about your mom's pug before - isn't he the one you called the "jealous boyfriend" who would stick his fuzzy butt in the middle of things when she and her husband tried to hug?
Pirate Jo at February 27, 2011 8:26 AM
I'll go against the grain here and say that I'd never sleep in bed with an animal, and I'd never date a woman whose bed was constantly covered in dog/cat/goat/whatever hair.
I'll go even further and say I don't date women who have cats, period. I am borderline allergic to long-haired cats anyway, but I think choosing to own an animal that digs around in a filthy box of urine and feces then walks all over your kitchen counters, coffee table, and bed clothes is awfully weird.
a_random_guy makes a good point about some women being REALLY into their pets. I take this as a sign to flee. It's not normal to prefer the company of cats and dogs to other people, and among the people I've met, it's only really insecure or seriously socially inept folks who do.
I admit to finding it annoying when a woman can't take a spontaneous road trip because she has some animal at home that requires daily attention, or has to get home early to walk the dog or whatever. Then again, I don't date women with kids for the same reasons.
My current squeeze has a couple of snakes. They're cool and all, and I'll let them curl up in my lap once in a while. But they mainly live in a terrarium and eat rats once a month. And they don't ever end up in the bed!
MikeInRealLife at February 27, 2011 8:58 AM
I've noticed that some of my single-lady friends make a family of pets, in the absence of a family that includes husband and children. This doesn't seem psycho to me, exactly. It seems like one way to deal with loneliness and all those biological nesting urges.
When I was single I met many, many dudes who wanted to make an issue of the fact that I had two cats. When you adopt a pet, they become your responsibility. They will never be able to take care of themselves because you've trained them to rely on you for sustenance and shelter. Only assholes abdicate this responsibility, and only the tragically insecure ask for that as some kind of fitness test.
Of course a lot of people don't give their pets any boundaries, which makes them unpleasant to live with, but it's the refusal to be alpha in your own home that's the problem. Anyone would think a guy would prefer a woman who is so submissive she can be bossed by a cat, since they complain so bitterly about bossy women.
I don't let my 100-lb Anatolian Shepherd puppy even put a foot on any furniture, because I don't want him getting ideas. He's a lot stronger than I am. A little dog can act awful and it's funny--when a giant breed does it's a lawsuit. I would like to sleep with him, because he's snuggly and sweet, but I have to maintain leadership.
Miss Conduct at February 27, 2011 9:37 AM
"They will never be able to take care of themselves because you've trained them to rely on you for sustenance and shelter."
Nonsense. Some will fail to survive in the "wild" but they're not that removed from being able to care for themselves. Dogs might have a harder time but definately not cats. My mother in the past few years has helped out enough strays to disprove that and she usually just feeds them when they show up.
I love animals but no I don't want them sleeping in my bed with me in most cases, especially bigger dogs.
The goat pooping and the charging pig are the stuff of nightmares. That woman needs help. Although, maybe besides cat food companies I should invest in farmer's co-ops or feed stores.
Sio at February 27, 2011 10:18 AM
Anyone would think a guy would prefer a woman who is so submissive she can be bossed by a cat, since they complain so bitterly about bossy women.
HA! Love it. Not that you have to be THAT submissive to be bossed by a cat.
I'm definitely the alpha in my house, but some dogs are naturally more submissive than others. My dog is of the nature that she doesn't WANT to be alpha. She would never behave aggressively toward anyone, human or animal. I've only once in my life heard her growl and mean it - when another dog tried to steal her food. But she would let me steal her food.
Pirate Jo at February 27, 2011 10:53 AM
I keep my house kinda cool in the winter time because of energy prices. The cat sleeping with me or on top of me is something I am used to and miss when I am traveling. Some cats view you as nothing more than a big hot soft rock. You have to understand, cats are desert animals and all that fur is for insulation against the heat not to keep them warm. They like it warm and generally warmer than we do.
I could live with a man who did not care for animals in the bed although he might end up with his own bed, and me just stopping by for recreational purposes, but I find warning signs about the personality of men who will ignore dogs or cats entirely. This is not a deal breaker, mind you, just a warning sign because on occasion it signals something else such as allergies or being raised on a farm where someone spent too much time working with them or caring for them. If a man actually dislikes animals it has been a deal breaker for me in a relationship.
Isabel1130 at February 27, 2011 1:36 PM
Am I the only one who loathes pets and refuses to have one?
Joe at February 28, 2011 10:08 AM
Never trust a man who hates dogs.
brian at February 28, 2011 10:29 AM
Our dog sleeps on the bed at the foot. She shouldn't because I have allergies and she drags in pollen but I think she's there to stay.
Astra at February 28, 2011 10:40 AM
Miss Conduct, I'm excited to hear about someone else with an Anatolian!! I live in an area where there aren't a lot of working dogs; and mine doesn't watch a flock, just the house, so I always get excited when I hear about someone else having one!
I do snuggle with my big boy (120 lb), but he doesn't sleep on the bed, and he is well aware of who the pack leader is. It's true though, they will test their boundaries, and if you let them get away with it, you're going to have trouble. Especially with a dog that's as big as you are.
Angie at February 28, 2011 2:05 PM
Oh yes PJ the abusive bf pug is the one I've posted about before.
And he used to make that very scream from the vid for me every morning because he demanded I pick him up and put him in the bed. He apparently was too royal to jump on the bed himself (which he could do).
I loved the kind of behavior your puggie does when a treat doesnt come fast enough. Pugs are just my favorite dog breed ever.
Ppen at February 28, 2011 8:41 PM
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