I would love to be a Vegan, I think we should all be vegans in fact. But one thing Amy has taught me is that we can't live in "shoulds"

It would be nice if we didn't have to eat meat. But it's a necessity because if it weren't for meat we probably wouldn't have grown that big brain that allows us to philosophize in the first place.

Anyways unless you have alot of money you can't really go vegan or vegetarian.

Eating meat is a very good thing. Maybe one day we'll be able to grow it in a lab and remove the suffering.

Anyways unless you have alot of money you can't really go vegan or vegetarian.

The vegans and vegetarians I know are all sickly and neurotic.

If you've got a problem with eating commercially processed meat, learn to hunt. Hunting is a noble endeavor that benefits both animals and the environment. If you don't want to hunt, then STFU and eat your meat. It's really that simple.

Good read as I munched down my club sandwich, with turkey breast as the bread.

Last night, I told a vegan friend that I eat meat and I got the usual 'ewww'. Then her friend posted a few comments on her FB about how great meat is (sarcastically). And of course, mentioned how it's processed. Now, I live out in the country, I know how meat is processed. The comment about how if the author spent another 3 years, he probably would stop eating veggies hit a nerve. I thought that exact same thing when I was reading the FB comments. I also know how the vegetables are processed here and it still involves animals ;). Every spring, it smells like shit!

when did elves stop eating meat?

"The vegans and vegetarians I know are all sickly and neurotic."

I know some that arent. A very small minority of people do seem to respond positively to a vegan diet, however the majority of humans do not.

"People who refuse to eat meat are simply denying their animal side. They are forgetting that humans are omnivorous and that our metabolism is perfectly fit to assimilate meat" - so much for freedom of choice. What is her problem with people who don't eat meat (unless of course, they are forcing their choice on her)

Redrajesh, I'm not sure I see where the freedom of choice issue comes into it. Mme Patou-Mathis is just voicing her opinion, but nobody's forced to agree with her.

How would a non vegetarian feel if someone made a comment saying that something is wrong with people who eat meat? What is the need to imply that something is wrong with people who make a certain choice?

How would a non vegetarian feel if someone made a comment saying that something is wrong with people who eat meat?

This does happen rather often, you know.

I enjoy not worrying about the choices of others.

Vegetarianism is for prey.

"This does happen rather often, you know" - true, and I would say the same thing to the guy/girl who makes such a statement implying that something is wrong about the people who make the choice to eat meat. BTW, I also eat meat.

"Anyways unless you have alot of money you can't really go vegan or vegetarian..."
...Well, you could, but you'd be eating more grains than vegetables ('cause they're cheaper), and would probably get very squishy...

Even if I had to kill my own food, I'd still eat animals but most them would be birds or fish. It would be easier for me to kill a chicken or a fish or shoot quail than slaughter a cow.

I have been a vegetarian for over 20 years. I see it as my greatest luxury to live in a time and place, and honetly at an income level, where I can choose not to eat meat. I don't have much patience with ethical vegetarian arguments and am ambivalent at best about the health benefits, so as you can imagine I don't go around trying to convince other people to give up meat.

All of the elves I know eat meat, or their mothers don't let them have any pudding.

I only eat animals, which are vegetarians.

Therefore, I am a vegetarian.

I figure a cow is just super-concentrated vegetables.

"I only eat animals, which are vegetarians."
Chickens and pigs aren't vegetarian. They are both omnivorous. Salmon and tuna are carnivores.

Lierre Keith has transitioned from an unthinking radical feminist environmentalist anti-capitalist anti-western vegan moonbat to an unthinking radical feminist environmentalist anti-capitalist anti-western omnivorous moonbat.

If this woman could push a button and exterminate five and a half billion people, I have little doubt she would.

Pay particular attention at 32 minutes in:

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/63430/Lierre_Keith_at_Berkeley_City_College_Video/

If this woman could push a button and exterminate five and a half billion people, I have little doubt she would.

Truth be told if I had the power to kill 2/3rds of the worlds population at the push of a button I'd do it

If humans were eliminated, millions of cows and pigs would starve and die.

"If humans were eliminated, millions of cows and pigs would starve and die" - probably not. They would be eaten by bears, tigers, lions etc depending on which part of the world they exist in.

But the ones which remain will live a better life free from cages and at least a good percentage would live full lives and die of natural causes till age of 20 years (or whatever their normal life span in the wild) instead of 99% of them dying at age 15 months.

And they will get back their family structure and other things which have been lost due to humans. Their numbers may be less, but they will have a better quality of life.

but they will have a better quality of life.

No they woudnt.

Cows are loose herd animals like deer, once a year the males would fight, sometimes to the death, for the privilage of fucking and many females as they could hold on to, sometimes to the death.

There is no such thing as harmony "with" nature. Nature is a stone cold bitch with no feeling whatsoever.

Harmony within nature means intestinal parisites, rampant viral and bacterial infectinons, predation, starvation, pssible deadlyfood posioning beacuse your main food source just eveolved a new bio toxin, and a daily stuggle to survive on more day in an endless death race.

Better quality of life may ass

But that will just be a few males. The rest do manage pretty well.

Deadly food poisoning happens only when humans exist and let out their chemicals into the environment...and without antibiotics, these guys will just be immune on their own.

Besides, in any part of the developing world even today, animals rarely develop diseases before the age when they are slaughtered.

No farmer in any part of asia, africa, south america, mexico or most other parts of the world spends even a nickel on vaccination and medication of his livestock and mostly he won't spend even on giving them nutritious food. They will just be taken to pasture grounds which are public land that can be taken away by the government anyday for some project. Or he will give them substandard subsidized food which will ruin their digestive system in a couple of years. Any animal which gets a disease is simply left to die or killed for meat immediately so that they have maximum unspoiled meat to consume.

In nature, it is a daily race to survive, but when there is a herd, the chances are better and most animals do manage pretty well in their herd and again, quite a decent percentage does live till old age unlike farm animals which never get to the stage of old age.

Nature is a stone cold bitch, but it is not a bitch whose sole feeling is profit maximization. Nature gives a dangerous game to play and a gives good chance for success(probably around than 20-30%) in the game unlike humans who give a chance for success of probably 1 in a million.

The only animals which have a better quality of life than farm animals are pets. Wild animals have it better on any given day than farm animals.