Salt Is A Vegetable
Or it seems that way in the amounts I use it. Just love the stuff.
And, I'm not worried. Over a decade ago, I read Gary Taubes' award-winning piece on salt from Science. And from time to time, I read other work that shows that salt isn't the dietary horror it's been made out to be. The latest, I found from a tweet by Dr. Michael Eades (@DrEades). Melinda Wenner Moyer writes in Sci Am:
For decades, policy makers have tried and failed to get Americans to eat less salt. In April 2010 the Institute of Medicine urged the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to regulate the amount of salt that food manufacturers put into products; New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has already convinced 16 companies to do so voluntarily. But if the U.S. does conquer salt, what will we gain? Bland french fries, for sure. But a healthy nation? Not necessarily.This week a meta-analysis of seven studies involving a total of 6,250 subjects in the American Journal of Hypertension found no strong evidence that cutting salt intake reduces the risk for heart attacks, strokes or death in people with normal or high blood pressure. In May European researchers publishing in the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that the less sodium that study subjects excreted in their urine--an excellent measure of prior consumption--the greater their risk was of dying from heart disease. These findings call into question the common wisdom that excess salt is bad for you, but the evidence linking salt to heart disease has always been tenuous.
...Some physicians argue that although tiny blood pressure drops will not have a big effect on individuals--they will not really affect your risk of having a heart attack--they may end up saving lives at the population level, in part because a small percentage of the population, including some African-Americans and elderly individuals, seem to be hypersensitive to salt. For instance, a study published in February 2010 in the New England Journal of Medicine estimated that cutting salt intake by about 35 percent would save at least 44,000 American lives per year. But such estimates are not evidence, either; they are conjecture. And low-salt diets could have side effects: when salt intake is cut, the body responds by releasing renin and aldosterone, an enzyme and a hormone, respectively, that increase blood pressure.
Oopsy!
(Let's hope you -- and bajillions of New Yorkers -- haven't been taking your dietary advice from Michael Bloomberg.)







The original study mentioned in the linked article correlates high blood pressure with salt based on feeding rats the 'human equivalent of 500 grams of sodium per day'
That's about 2/3 of a package of salt that you buy at the grocery store a couple times a year.
A box of macaroni and cheese has 580mg. A can of regular non-low-sodium soup has 890mg.
When was the last time you had 560 cans of soup in one day?
A later study cited in the article shows that we humans vary in our reactions to 'high-salt' diets. Some people's BP goes up, some goes down, some stays the same.
More junk science just like saccharine will give you cancer (if you drink 4 or 5 hundred cans of diet soda per day).
I have no problem with salt. I do have a problem with HFCS (and ADM) but that's another discussion.
DrCos at July 10, 2011 5:39 AM
Well the one I just heard about was Syracuse Salt Potatoes.
I'm just worried about the carbs from the potatoes. The salt doesn't bother me a bit.
Jim P. at July 10, 2011 6:25 AM
Want to reduce the carbs in potatoes? Shred them to hash, soak em ince cold water for about ten minutes and rinse for a few more inhot water, it knocks most of the starch out of them
wont work if you want a baked potato though
lujlp at July 10, 2011 7:26 AM
You can make a pretty good mashed potato substitute from cauliflower, though.
I don't salt my food as a rule, but I eat a LOT of salty food, like bacon. (Mmmm, bacon!) I do get the lower sodium when I can find it though, because I've found if I get too much salt I retain a LOT of water.
Daghain at July 10, 2011 7:30 AM
I'm an RN, and I eat salt on everything. Everything. If i could dump it in my morning Starbucks, I would. My BP usually sits around 105/60, so go figure.
My Dad had high BP, and he also was salt-sensitive. He knew from monitoring his pressure that salt did affect him. But that is a very individual issue. Most of us are not affected by sodium.
I think it's a riot that people get all spun up about salt when nicotine, caffiene, and sugar are way more harmful to the average Joe.
UW Girl at July 10, 2011 11:04 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/07/salt-is-a-veget.html#comment-2344173">comment from UW GirlLove that, UW Girl (the bit about dumping it in your morning Starbucks). Salt and bacon are the great alimenary joys of my life.
Amy Alkon
at July 10, 2011 11:14 AM
...because I've found if I get too much salt I retain a LOT of water.
This is my problem too, I blow up like a balloon! Especially when it's really humid outside. But my BP is usually around 100/70, and salt doesn't have a big effect on it.
Flynne at July 10, 2011 11:21 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/07/salt-is-a-veget.html#comment-2344187">comment from FlynneWonder if whether you eat carbs makes a dif in that, Flynne.
Amy Alkon
at July 10, 2011 11:29 AM
I don't know yet, Amy. I've been cutting way back on carbs, but it's been difficult for me. I do like my pasta, but have been eating a lot less of it, and a lot less breads as well. I've always had low BP though. The only time it ever went above 100/70 was when I was pregnant with daughter #2. But I also had edema, and very mild (not above 140/90) pre-eclampsia as well, so that was a factor. I didn't take any meds while I was pregnant, but the dr upped my vitamin D dosage, and I wasn't having severe headaches, which is another symptom, but she delivered on time, and then I was right back at 100/70, like nothing ever happened.
Flynne at July 10, 2011 12:49 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/07/salt-is-a-veget.html#comment-2344265">comment from FlynneIt's important to get one's vitamin D levels tested. I started taking 5,000 iu of D (I'm not outside at all, really, during the day -- just at night when I don my batgirl suit and take to the skies) and got tested after three or four months and came out at 64, which is very good.
Also, per Dr. Eades, for example, very important to take magnesium. Look that up at his site, proteinpower.com/drmike for dosage, and how you should find a magnesium that ends in "ate."
I also eat a huge clump of parsley, sauteed down in bacon grease, ever day, for the vitamin K and potassium. Italian parsley is less odious than the other kind, and by the time it gets through the bacon grease process, it's quite palatable...to me, anyway. Kind of like a cross between the seaweed wrap on sushi and potato chips.
Amy Alkon
at July 10, 2011 12:55 PM
Stopped worrying about salt when I moved to Israel. Nobody here seems to worry - there is more concern with not having enough salt in the hot summer.
Ben David at July 10, 2011 12:58 PM
As a disclaimer, this is just my personal experience. There are probably exceptions out there.
That being said, all the people I know who drink diet soda every single day are fat. I know plenty of people who drink full-sugar soda every day and are not fat, and are sometimes actually skinny. There are plenty of people who drink regular soda and are fat, but being fat seems to be much more prominent among diet soda drinkers. It's the weirdest thing.
Sarah at July 10, 2011 1:43 PM
Also, I eat a lot of salt. When I don't get enough salt, I start feeling weird, dizzy, and ill. Salt's been through the same yo-yo as eggs and butter... according to the research, one day it's good for you, the next it's bad for you. I've never taken much stock in survey research, anyhow.
There is one thing to remember about salt, though... It's water soluble, meaning that it flushes from the system very quickly. If you're going to get a health improvement from not eating salt, it'll show up within 72 hours of cutting it from your diet.
Sarah at July 10, 2011 1:49 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/07/salt-is-a-veget.html#comment-2344337">comment from SarahAgain, Sarah, as I've written here numerous times before (perhaps you're new?), it isn't simply about weight loss, but about longterm health. There's substantial evidence that consuming sugar and flour have very negative effects on health. Moreover, there's more and more research pointing to artificial sweeteners causing the insulin reaction that sugar does (perhaps, the speculation is, that the body tastes sweetness and ramps up for a sugar rush).
Diet soda drinkers, I would guess, are often people who cut fat out of their diets and follow the government's non-science-based recommendation to eat a high-carb, low-fat diet. This is the diet that makes people fat and unhealthy.
For more information that's evidence-based, check out Dr. Michael Eades' site, Heartscan blog (by cardiologist Dr. William Davis -- search "Wheat," "Whole grain," "Oatmeal." And read Gary Taubes' "Why We Get Fat," and search his articles in The New York Times and New York Magazine on the web.
Amy Alkon
at July 10, 2011 2:07 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/07/salt-is-a-veget.html#comment-2344340">comment from SarahBy "survey research," I think you're talking about cohort studies, and you're right to not put stock in them.
But, there is substantial evidence that you should eat butter, eggs, meat, green vegetables, and cut out carbs from your diet. Per Taubes massive analysis of what is good, evidence-based science, it is carbohydrates -- sugar, flour, starchy vegetables like potatoes, apple juice -- that cause the insulin secretion that puts on fat.
Amy Alkon
at July 10, 2011 2:09 PM
I'm a naturally low BP person too, 80s/60s usually. I don't watch salt either. I've never found a compelling reason too. I do retain fluids with a lot of salt, but it seems to be salty carbs that do it, not salty proteins. Either the problem is the carbs or there is just a lot more salt in carby stuff.
I also drink diet soda maybe three 20 oz bottles max a week. I'm quite thin. I have read that artificial sweeteners cause you to crave sweets, but that's not my experience and I don't eat sweets often. My "sweets" are tjings like peanut butter on celery or cucumbers, a small amount of berries, or dark chocolate. I also considered my Starbucks to be a treat.
BunnyGirl at July 10, 2011 2:26 PM
At least the emphasis has changed. The current anti-salt assault is on "processed" foods, aka anything that is sold other than by the farm that produced it. This, while perhaps a fairly good idea for investigation, comes after years of attempts to get us to stop using table salt - which among other things has iodine added to cut down on thyroid problems, a major success story since the 1940`s.
I was a bit surprised also by "in part because a small percentage of the population, including some African-Americans and elderly individuals, seem to be hypersensitive to salt," because I saw a study years back that descendants of North-Western African descent are more likely to be genetically sensitive to "high" levels of salt and develop hypertension - I suspect this has been skipped over since as being Politically inCorrect, though it should be no more so than North European descent is likely to be less lactose-intolerant than far-Eastern descent.
John A at July 10, 2011 4:36 PM
I don't "watch" salt intake (never have had high bp, tend to be a little on the low side there) and that's not something I check on labels but I absoluately hate the taste of it...I've thrown away food from so many restaurants because they used salt in the prep and I think it tastes gross. And I don't have any in the house (which annoys friends when they come over but tough).
Catherine at July 10, 2011 5:21 PM
My mom used to leave rock salt out in bowls for us kids in summers in CO. We ran, we sweated, we drank from the hose, and ate rock salk. Mmmmm.
The fatties I know all drink diet soda. I'm not a soda girl, but if i'm drinking one it's real.
My problem is crispy chicken-I really like it in a salad, but it's got carbs.
momof4 at July 10, 2011 9:38 PM
One of the reasons I avoid soda drinks in general is something I learned in the army many years ago. Both Coke and Pepsi are great for cleaning the crud out of rifle barrels. Powder and lead residue can't stand up to the power of America's favorite soft drinks. By the way, it was against regulations since rifle barrels can't stand up to them either.
BarSinister at July 11, 2011 7:24 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/07/salt-is-a-veget.html#comment-2345650">comment from BarSinisterOn a cleaning note, my friends' housekeeper in New York taught me that Fantastic takes stains out...well...fantastically. Use it on laundry. Fabulous.
Amy Alkon
at July 11, 2011 7:26 AM
momof4:
Try this recipe. Easy, relatively healthy, and addictive:
http://leitesculinaria.com/5456/recipes-oven-fried-chicken.html
Ben David at July 11, 2011 11:12 AM
"Wonder if whether you eat carbs makes a dif in that, Flynne."
It does for me. If I get a high dose of carbs I will have the ankles of a woman in her 8th month of pregnancy. Salt does it too, though, but only if I get a really high-salt meal, which generally means Chinese for me.
Daghain at July 11, 2011 4:49 PM
"Wonder if whether you eat carbs makes a dif in that, Flynne."
It does for me. If I get a high dose of carbs I will have the ankles of a woman in her 8th month of pregnancy. Salt does it too, though, but only if I get a really high-salt meal, which generally means Chinese for me.
Daghain at July 11, 2011 4:49 PM
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