Fraud? An Email I Got About The Iowa Caucuses
I got this email this morning...
Dear Amy Alkon:Get out now because votes do not matter at all
In Iowa, in my district, where Paul won by show of hands by 40% at least in the room I was in, both fox news and msnbc are showing Santorum winning this district with Romney second. I live in Iowa and work all over the state. There are almost no Santorum or Romney supporters. It's all Paul and Gingrich. So far they're saying Paul has 14% in my county, though it's clear he won. In my county there were 16 Santorum supporters who had to switch because of the way the caucuses work, and only two or three more Romney supporters. There were over 300 Paul supporters and over 150 Gingrich supporters. Combined 70% were Paul and gingrich supporters at least, but they're listed as 3rd and 4th or 5th.
If you live in the United States, don't bother voting anymore. Just leave. The Iowa caucuses are a giant lie.
Update: January 04, 2012.
Theyre saying Story County was "inaccurately tallied." If you don't know how the caucuses work, please understand this is literally impossible. Candidates don't get vote tallies. You consolidate groups until there is a winner. There is no "secret" vote. The winner basically takes all. The lie they have "under reported" or "under counted" in some counties is again, literally impossible with our caucus format. Don't bother voting anymore. Just get a weapon or leave. This is not America anymore.
From @shitmydadsays:
"These candidates are dog shit. All we're doing is picking out the dick that's going to fuck us."







Interesting. The "Update" describes the process used in the DEMOCRATIC caucuses in Iowa, which is different from the process in the Republican caucuses, where there IS a secret ballot. Leads me to suspect that the e-mail you received was a false flag.
Bill at January 4, 2012 11:12 AM
It was sent by a regular commenter here. The update he pulled off some site he reads.
Amy Alkon at January 4, 2012 11:23 AM
The first commenter is right. That isn't the way the Republican's do their caucus in Iowa. Also, please remember that anecdote is not data.
http://www.frumforum.com/change-iowas-secret-ballot
Scott at January 4, 2012 12:12 PM
There is also a difference between a party choosing its candidate and the general election.
The smoky room at the convention has largely died out but if people think the parties don't steer nominations, they aren't paying attention. Look at the problems the candidates are having getting on the ballot in Virginia.
Astra at January 4, 2012 2:13 PM
I wouldn't put any form of cheating past the theftists of both parties. Buy guns while you can!
John David Galt at January 4, 2012 4:14 PM
I remember sour grapes from Obama supporters in the Texas caucuses four years ago. (Texas is weird. It has both a caucus and a primary on the Democratic side.) YouTube videos showed massively pro-Obama support in Dallas and proclaimed that the results could not possibly reflect the "facts" on the ground. It had to be fraud. Just look at the overwhelming support in this crowd!
I remember thinking that my fellow Obama supporters were full of shit. I caucused for Obama in a much smaller town and we were very much outnumbered by Clinton supporters. It was probably five to one. And in Texas, there are a lot more people living in small towns than big ones. As you know, it's a goddamned big geographic area.
My point is, I can see where anecdotal evidence might seem compelling but, sometimes your perception of the facts all depend on the little bubble in which you find yourself swimming around.
whistleDick at January 4, 2012 11:32 PM
Plus, Ron Paul supporters seem to be abnormally prone to conspiracy theories. It's not surprising to hear these cries. :)
whistleDick at January 4, 2012 11:36 PM
Forums like this are where we can post our thoughts and see if they sink or swim. I wouldn't sink this one too quickly, since it follows Paul's recent treatment by the mainstream media-- he wasn't even invited to the debates.
Business Insider carried an article mentioning how Paul is working to build support-- Telling caucus supporters not to leave after the voting, but stick around and join the committees. It seems to be getting results.
jefe at January 5, 2012 12:36 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2012/01/fraud-an-email.html#comment-2893169">comment from jefeForums like this are where we can post our thoughts and see if they sink or swim.
And that's precisely why I posted it. I have been on a crazy work jag -- in between my crazy efforts to get the Adderall I'm prescribed vis a vis the nanny state-induced shortage -- and I only turned on the caucuses Tuesday night, after my deadline, and saw the near-final results. So, I thought I'd lay this one out there for you to vet.
Amy Alkon
at January 5, 2012 1:46 AM
Iowa Republicans conduct a presidential preference poll at their precinct caucuses. No national delegates are bound by the results. It's a "beauty contest," a "straw poll." In June, the delegates at the Iowa Republican state convention will elect delegates to the national convention. State convention delegates are elected by county conventions, and county delegates were elected at the precinct caucuses Tuesday night. I suspect that, in most precincts, the majority of grassroots conservatives (whose support was divided among Santorum, Gingrich, Perry, and Bachmann) coalesced to elect their own as county delegates and to block Paul or Romney supporters from advancing.
Michael Bates at January 5, 2012 7:47 AM
I got another email from the OP today and he described the voting-- ballots cast in a barrel, which was then taken to another room for counting. No representatives for the candidates were actually present to watch the count. It seemed pretty fishy to him, and other people reported the same thing.
jefe at January 5, 2012 7:34 PM
Realistically -- this is just not worth being concerned about.
Between the top three you have a split of 3,796 votes difference. If there was an apparent significant difference from the polls, such as Romney was supposed to get 50% Paul 25% and the rest was spread among the rest then I would worry.
Iowa is about one percent of the U.S. population. There is no reason that 1% of the population should control the electoral process.
Jim P. at January 5, 2012 9:20 PM
We need to get rid of primaries. We need to return to the voting system set up by the founders.
Senators appointed by state legislators. No party tickets.
1st runner up for president becomes vice president
lujlp at January 6, 2012 5:49 AM
"Plus, Ron Paul supporters seem to be abnormally prone to conspiracy theories."
It's not a conspiracy theory when they really are out to get you ;)
Lobster at January 10, 2012 4:23 PM
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