I'd love to see people asking questions, or that is telling Obama and Romney at a Q&A that they cannot vote for them until they stop VIPR and pull TSA back.

Think how much press that would get.

(Do either Obama or Romney hold public Q&A sessions anymore?)

It won't change anytime soon for one simple reason, its suicide or damn near it to take action. The odds of you ending up as the solo "nutball" on the nightly news is great. Many folks will just change the channel as american idol comes on.

The man who's grandfather's ashes were spilled and then laughed at hit me hard, having lost my parents in the past few years.

> It won't change anytime soon for one simple reason, its suicide or damn near it to take action. The odds of you ending up as the solo "nutball" on the nightly news is great

And yet the time will come when enough of us feel the same way that the first actor ISN'T perceived as a lone nutball, but as a call for others to act.

Um, actually: the usual TSA agents are not law enforcement officers. They have no right to detain you. Even in the airports, they rely on the airport or local police to handle arrests.

I didn't see any police in the video. If this is purely a TSA stop, just say "you have no legal right to detain me" and go on your way. IANAL, but I am reasonably sure I understand the law correctly.

If local law enforcement is present, the insist that only one of their officers has a right to detain you.

Any lawyers out there? It would be great if someone could produce a short, to the point little flyer that every driver could have with them in the car, explaining exactly what your rights and options are at one of these check-points.

Modern America: Everyone a Deputy, Everyone a Suspect

It's fascinating how the newscaster tried to make this seem normal and effective by saying that a police officer stopped Timothy McVeigh for a violation. No need to think about the difference between stopping someone for a violation and stopping everyone. Regurgitate whatever the government says. They know best.

Like you, I speak up every time at TSA, although I fly less now because of the hassle. I fear it's too late.

I believe that is several months old. And they did it only at weigh stations.

But in reality if the driver had not complied with the TSA agents, they could have not done anything about. It wouldn't even be cause for the police to stop them.

It's like the security guards in most buildings. You can walk by them, and they can't do squat about it.

A quote from some people long dead who were, in my opinion, pretty bright.

"... all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

Well, at least some of them are starting to be held accountable, even if it is only for sleeping on the job.

May I recommend a comment thread full of win about the TSA?
http://www.saysuncle.com/2011/02/23/getting-back-at-tsa/

I dont know Flynne it apparently took nearly a year t fire them, that isnt exactly being held accountable

They can call the police on you -- saying you ducked their checkpoint and have the police stop you. The police can always "find" something wrong to ticket you for. -- Amy Alkon at June 28, 2012 6:47 AM

Amy,

You were up early but I don't think you had your coffee yet when you posted that.

The first thing you have to know is about the Terry Stop rules. To justify a stop, police must be able to point to "specific and articulable facts" to even ask for your id.

If you were to blow past a TSA checkpoint, "safely", and the cops came after you, one of the first questions they will ask is "Do you know why I'm stopping you?". Always say "No". If they say it is because you didn't stop for the TSA checkpoint, the response is "Is that illegal?" If the answer is "Yes." they have perjured themselves. If the answer is "No," the next question is "Am I free to go?"

Watch the videos in the ref section below. That is how you handle it.

Ref:
www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2012/06/20/motorcyclist_ar.html
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfdEbe7e9GE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyYlRZAdPGk

Amy,

First off, I was rude for saying you didn't know the Terry stop rules. My sincerest apologies.

I never said it was easy, and I'm adjusting to the thoughts that we are, putatively, a free people.

But insisting on your rights, especially to LEO, also makes them aware of their procedures and your rights. That will, hopefully, make them better cops.

It may not be easy to do, but if more people insist on it, the street-level may lead to a change in the mind of legislators.

A little help here?

If the cop says it's illegal to walk past a TSA checkpoint at a train station, and it is not (I haven't read the law, so I'm assuming here), how is that perjury? I thought perjury had to be a lie told under oath.