Now I Just Need A Reason To Fly To Malaysia
Hugo Martin writes for the LA Times:
AirAsia X, a long-haul carrier based in Malaysia, plans to become the second airline in the world to ban children from certain sections of the plane.Starting in February, Air Asia X will create a "quiet zone" in the first eight rows of the economy section of its fleet of A330 planes. The zone will have special ambient lighting, will ask passengers to keep noise to a minimum and will ban children under 12 years old.
...No U.S.-based airline has a child-free section, but a recent survey conducted by the website SeatGuru.com found that 40% of U.S. travelers said they would pay extra to sit in a designated "quiet" section of the plane.
"It will be interesting to see how effective the 'quiet zone' will be in living up to its name since it doesn't appear to be separated from the rest of the economy cabin," said Jami Counter, a senior director at SeatGuru.com. "A screaming baby could easily be seated right behind a business traveler in the last row of the 'quiet zone' section."







As a full time flyer, I loved reading this story. And it isn't a surprise that it is an Asian carrier. Many Asian carriers have excellent reputations -- reputations based on placing great value on providing as good a flying experience as is possible/reasonable.
The thing is, this is a reasonable compromise. There is accommodation made for all (I assume this applies only to a wide body or large narrow body such as a 757).
US carriers? This kind of compromise will never happen. Part of it is the general operation styles of US carriers and part of it is the PC/media climate of the US ("ABC Airline hates children! The story tonight on Channel 4 news"). For anyone who knows a bit about the airline industry they will know this; when Southwest Airline (of all the airlines) draws the line at a loud, prolonged screaming child.....only to (eventually) conspicuously bend over backwards to apologize for it, the die is pretty much cast for the large US carriers.
TW at July 28, 2012 12:37 AM
What TW said.
& I'd pay $20 more to be seated with people who dress and groom themselves like adults.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at July 28, 2012 1:18 AM
"Now I Just Need A Reason To Fly To Malaysia" -- from a place in Asia or Australia. Checking out the airline's web site, it looks like it only flies Asian and Austrialian routes. Nothing in North America, and nothing in Europe.
If you need to go to Asia, I'd suggest Korean Air. I've heard good things about Singapore Airlines, too. Both are a little pricey, though.
Old RPM Daddy at July 28, 2012 6:23 AM
Malaysia is one of the nicest places on earth.
It's cheap. It's warm. It has great beaches and interesting cities. The food is a mix of Malay, Thai, Chinese and Indian.
It's a Muslim country, but most people are laid back. Christians are not subject to Islamic laws.
The only bad things I can say about Malaysia are that it's a car culture without a lot of public transport and -- like many nice places -- it can be boring.
BTW, the flag carrier, Malaysia Airlines, also offers child-free seating in some of its configurations.
Paul Karl Lukacs at July 28, 2012 6:48 AM
That Malaysia Airlines looks nice too! Only trouble is, I'd have to get out to Los Angeles to fly with them. Now, if our Gracious Hostess needed to make a beeline to Kuala Lumpur or Manila, she'd be all set (and free of Bawling Bambinos or Rampaging Rugrats)!
Old RPM Daddy at July 28, 2012 7:24 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2012/07/now-i-just-need.html#comment-3288018">comment from Old RPM DaddyI'd pay $20 more to be seated with people who dress and groom themselves like adults.
What is it with people that they fly like they're getting into bed? And not just on long international flights. What's it take to wear nice black pants, a cashmere turtleneck and nice boots (if you're a woman) or dress like Gregg does -- wear slacks, a button-down, and a jacket -- if you're a man?
Amy Alkon
at July 28, 2012 8:08 AM
What's wrong with jeans and a t-shirt?
Snoopy at July 28, 2012 10:31 AM
I cannot see it doing much good. If a kid starts whaling 5 rows behind you it is still really annoying though certainly not as much as being next to you.
As long as your clothes are clean, I see no problem with them. I mean you are flying not going to the prom. I seem to get something split on me on about 1/2 the trips I take -- most often because someone bumps my arm and my drink gets on me.
I read "or dress like Gregg does" as "or a dress like Gregg does" -- kind of changes the meaning.
The Former Banker at July 28, 2012 11:17 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2012/07/now-i-just-need.html#comment-3288200">comment from The Former BankerYou'd probably have to threaten to shoot both Gregg and me to get him to put on a dress.
And actually, you can wear pants made out of a fabric that doesn't show spills -- or really retain them. I wear a pair I bought at the Limited in the 1980s -- black, wide-leg, elegant, but made out of recycled plastic milk bottles or something. I pair them with a $10 cashmere turtleneck, pull my hair back, and wear a pair of black boots. If you're wearing your jammies, go to bed, don't get on a plane.
Amy Alkon
at July 28, 2012 11:57 AM
The Acela has a Quiet Car, and if you so much as rustle a newspaper, they are in your face. It's awesome.
Insufficient Poison at July 28, 2012 12:12 PM
And your thoughts on banning animals and making fat people buy two seats?
Just got done with a cross country flight sitting next to a woman who I'm sure weighed 300 pounds and her fucking sedated Chihuahua who made freaky weird whining noises for hours. And the lady was half in my seat.
UW Girl at July 28, 2012 2:45 PM
Hey! Great idea! & I'd pay extra $ too, knowing full well the ppl next to me were going to be of a certain size & decorum. I like kids like I like donuts-in doses? A "Professional Attire" area'd be great! A "Casual" section. Heck, why NOT match flyers to their interests?! A "Family" section even.
adambein at July 28, 2012 2:51 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2012/07/now-i-just-need.html#comment-3288380">comment from UW GirlI wrote about the two seats thing in I See Rude People. If you can't fit in one seat, you don't get to annex somebody else's like you're Germany they're Poland. Yes, you have to buy two.
Regarding animals, I purposely got a dog that has hair, not fur, so as not to torture the allergic, and my dog is trained to the hilt to do as she's told and makes no more noise than my wallet. She also is trained to go in litter, and when I used to fly with her (when I traded my place for an apartment in Paris for a month), I took a Tupperware container of litter with me so she could do her biz in the bathroom on the plane. PS My Yorkie is also all of three pounds. I knew I would travel with her so I purposely got a really tiny dog.
People who have whiny dogs have no business subjecting other people to them.
Amy Alkon
at July 28, 2012 2:58 PM
When I fly, I dress very casually. With all the rules about no shoes, no jackets, etc., I just make it a point to dress as lightly as possible. Yoga pants, flip flops or UGGs depending on the climate, a light shirt, with a sweatshirt in tow and a bra without an underwire. I am trying to avoid the molestation. So far, I have only been subjected to that once and I fly twice a month. I also don't carry any luggage on board, I check everything. Ridiculous that I feel I have to do that, but until the TSA is abolished, I will continue with my crazy attire.
sara at July 29, 2012 6:31 AM
Ugh, just got back a week ago from a flight.
Initially my 17-year-old son was in the middle seat and a small 12-year-old on the window seat. However, 12-year-old decided before takeoff that he wanted to sit with Mom a couple of rows back, so Dad took the window seat in our row.
The problem? Dad was so big the tops of his thighs were higher than the arm rests and his tray table wouldn't go all the way down. My son sat folded up like a card table for 2 hours.
And in the row directly behind us? A five-year-old boy who shrieked and bawled (the kind of attention-getting siren wail that has a note of hoarse desperation in it) because he wasn't sitting in his mom's lap but on the aisle seat approximately six inches away from mom just across the aisle.
In the row with the boy were two 7- or 8-year old sisters. The one in the middle:
"Mommy. MOMMY! MOMMY!!! She's being a meanie-peanie! She won't let me lie down and put my head on her lap with my Pillow Pet. You KNOW I can't sleep like that! MOMMY."
As for casual attire? Great, terrific. I'm all for comfort. But I'd really rather not get an eyeful of your lace-skimmed crotch or plunging cleavage or tramp stamp and thong panties for two hours. Just saying.
Beth at July 29, 2012 12:51 PM
The food is reason enough to go to Malaysia. Yum!
Astra at July 30, 2012 5:40 AM
When flying I follow one rule: always dress as though you are either going to or coming from Africa.
"What is it with people that they fly like they're getting into bed?"
Wannagetaway fares. It isn't special (expensive) anymore.
We already have first class. You could pay for it. You don't. I long for the glory days of Pan Am too, but probably wouldn't pay the price.
As a parent I say bring it on, so long as they serve bloddy marys in the third-row-seating-section. I really don't want to be in your way.
smurfy at July 30, 2012 12:06 PM
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