Reasonable, fact based conclusions about gender (among others) spoken to ultra left wing ideologues of academia? You'll have better luck explaining to a twitching junkie why addiction is not a healthy lifestyle choice.
What is so frustrating is how counter productive it is to everyone! to force certain groups into a field. Yet it is almost a certainty it will happen. Fortunately for universities written quota policies are unneeded. The federal government can now just tax college enrolled females who DON'T enroll in science classes. Problem solved! (cynical to the Nth degree now)

TW is absolutely right: quotas are counterproductive. Not least because they diminish trust in the entire group that has been supported by the quotas, because some members of that group are less qualified than the people they displaced.

What is more irritating is the anti-male bias in evidence here. More college degrees go to women than to men. So just why are they picking out a particular area to support women? Are there any plans to support men in other fields? No? Why not?

Let's set quotas to force equality in womyns' studies programs too.

These people are delusional. There's no such thing as "gender equality" and there won't be until men can give birth after women impregnate them. Sheesh.

Here, this German mayor knows what he's talking about!

Campus Marxists have been seeking a way to crush the STEM schools ever since the '60s. They can't stand the idea of a field of study where facts exist outside of their frame of reference. The existence of physical laws is not compatible with narcissism.

There is nothing keeping anyone that is interested out of these classes. Universities should hire "a full time gender equality specialist plus staff". Yes, let's spend more $$ to expand administration!! That ALWAYS solves the problem ...even fake ones.

What is likely to happen then is you will have a huge number of foreign women in there to meet quotas. The program I was in was already something like that -- I can only think of two women in the program who I believe were U.S. born.

I agree with dee nile. The main way to get some to realise the siliness of these rules is to apply it to them too. Apply it to gender studies, only allow as many women in the class as there are men in it.
The same with other majors, only alow the sam e number of women in education as there are men in it.

Personally I'd love to see the same rules and checks to be used for gun ownership and voting.
Hell I'd even let either party write what those rules were, just as long as it applied exactly to both.

At an orientation for prospective freshman engineering students at my college, the mother of one of my future classmates demanded, rather indignantly, to know why more young women weren't enrolled in the School of Engineering. Somewhat taken aback, the Freshman Engineering Chair replied, "because only so many applied."

I guess that answer wouldn't do at all today. So, the answer to the lack of women in Engineering is to reduce the number of men? Is that what they're saying?

"The main way to get some to realise the siliness of these rules is to apply it to them too. Apply it to gender studies, only allow as many women in the class as there are men in it."

This is only evidence of your sexism and bigotry, of course. It should be readily apparent that gender studies programs would be exempt from any proportionality requirement, as they are clearly ameliorative in nature, a place for women to have a room of one's own, to explore their feminine mystique.

Some people won't be happy until all men die already. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0193283/

"Despite supposed obstacles like "unconscious bias" and a shortage of role models and mentors, women now constitute about half of medical students, 60 percent of biology majors, and 70 percent of psychology Ph.D.'s"

Will quotas result in less women being accepted in biology and psychology programs, or less women being accepted to college in general to make up for the gender disparity?

Will quotas provide funding for colleges to increase male participation in these fields?

(still hoping for pirates one of these days)

http://massbackwards.blogspot.com/2005/03/inside-dirt-vol-1.html

Now, what do you suppose would be the qualifications a job candidate must possess to be considered for the position of Field Engineer? It should be a no-brainer - a degree in civil or construction engineering might be a good start. Actual experience in the construction industry and familiarity with materials and methods used on the Project would certainly be an asset to someone seeking such a position.

...

Suddenly, "diversity" was the big buzzword. The Project began holding mandatory diversity awareness training seminars for ALL project personnel. As a result, meticulous records were kept detailing the numbers of women and minority employees in every department, and at every pay grade. ...

... The actual construction jobs (i.e. Field Engineers) were held by an overwhelming percentage of, you guessed it, white males. Clearly some kind of a racist conspiracy was at work here ... But, rather than encouraging more qualified women and minority candidates to apply for these position, a more direct strategy was put into place.

A subsequent plan was kicked off to promote, from within, women and minority employees into these important positions with seemingly little regard to their qualifications or educational background. If you were a woman or minority working as a secretary or other administrative support position, and thought it would be neat to put on a hardhat and walk around downtown, the jobs were yours for the taking. Just sign up for an in-house class on how to read blueprints, or have the right connections and - PRESTO! - you're a qualified construction field inspector.

(Forgive me if this explodes. I'm going to try to use italics...)

One of my friends is an engineering professor. When we get together, I am wearing an evening dress and a leather jacket and she is...not naked. Usually, she's wearing a hoody and some sensible shoes. She is the least girly woman I am friends with -- but is quite straight and looks feminine. She just is into abstractions and math instead of the girlier pursuits.

Amy, thank you for letting me know I'm not alone. I was going to comment that now I know I've got a guy-brain, it explains a lot. Hoody, jeans, sneakers is almost all I own. I actually went all girly... and bought sandals and some capris. Its so bad w/me that when I "dressed up" for presenting my master's thesis, my adviser didn't recognize me (floor length skirt, and a blouse).

My husband owns more shoes than me. For the life of me, I can not understand why most women have 2k pair. Of course, if you keep your wardrobe to the minimalist standards I have, you only NEED 3 pairs of footwear. Sneakers, boots (winter), and some generic black shoes that can function with a skirt for more formal events.

Even more interestingly, I can NOT remember faces (and worse if you want me to put a name to it) unless I've see somebody a bunch of times or they are particularly memorable (e.g., having a tattoo on the nose). THINGS are easy - they don't move, change their clothes or hair.

"recommends that every university hire a full-time "Gender Equity Specialist" with a staff that would monitor science departments and labs for bias. "

So it may really be a jobs program for those out of work gender studies majors and underworked lawyers.

Of course hiring this extra department will raise tuition.

The use of Title IX to force universities to restructure their curricula and alter the composition of their hard-science and engineering departments in order to achieve a supposed gender equity that matches neither the aptitudes nor the interests of many women isn't just heavy-handed and totalitarian. As study after study indicates, it's bad science as well.

If you're a proponent of using Title IX to do what's outlined in the quote above, your reaction to the quote above would be, "So?" Which is why suggesting proponents of the idea being subject to the same logic is crazy talk. You'll never convince them. Cousin Dave is right when he says they "can't stand the idea of a field of study where facts exist outside of their frame of reference."

And you wonder why the USA is falling farther behind every day! Crap like this is why.

Is there any remaining doubt that feminism is a poison designed to cripple our society?

Women are so proud that they now stand on the top deck -- of a sinking ship. Those men who may have been able to save the ship have already been made to walk the plank.

So why shouldn't I be all pissed off?

I wonder if Obama would support a quota limiting the number of male politicians? Males don't just dominate sports and sciences, the majority of politicians are male too.

Would he be as supporting of quotas if he found himself surplus to the number of quota slots, I wonder?

I wonder if Obama would support a quota limiting the number of male politicians? Males don't just dominate sports and sciences, the majority of politicians are male too.

Would he be as supporting of quotas if he found himself surplus to the number of quota slots, I wonder?

Obie would sell his family into slavery, if he would get a favorable rating for it. Obie has only one conviction: look out for number one (himself).

I don't care. If this is what life's gonna be like, there's NFL to watch, beaches to scuba dive, thermals in which to hang glide, & pizza to eat, & I can always participate in those & minimize my exposure to the risk of imbalance, passive & active disruption, & hostility.

Obie would sell his family into slavery, if he would get a favorable rating for it. Obie has only one conviction: look out for number one (himself).
Hey, that sounds like an average politician. Not sure what's so outstandingly horrendous... I think that defines all recent Presidential candidates.

Anyway, quotas are silly, but so is assuming women gravitate to certain professions just because of certain perceived biases. Good goals, bad mechanics, as was the text that went with the link I followed to this.

I guess that answer wouldn't do at all today. So, the answer to the lack of women in Engineering is to reduce the number of men? Is that what they're saying? - Posted by: Old RPM

Thats what happened to college sports, in order to save 'revenue generators' like football and basketball alot of smaller programs, and their scholorships, were cut.

'recommends that every university hire a full-time "Gender Equity Specialist"'

And then what? Who else will alleg discrimination and unfairness? I bet it will be that there are way too many heterosexuals in college. Yeah, that's gotta be next. Some freak with an advanced degree from UC Berkeley will argue that colleges need to "recruit" lesbian, gay, and the trans-whatevers. Because obviously heteros discriminate because what other explanation would there be?

I'm so sick of this crap, and I hope that more people - male and female - find ways to have rewarding careers without sticking their heads up their asses for 4 years in college.