Well, Who Woulda Thunk It: We're Providing Arms To The Jihadis Again
We never learn. Once again, U.S. arms intended for the rebels in Libya seem to be falling into jihadi hands.
James Risen, Mark Mazetti and Michael S. Schmidt write for the The New York Times:
WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration secretly gave its blessing to arms shipments to Libyan rebels from Qatar last year, but American officials later grew alarmed as evidence grew that Qatar was turning some of the weapons over to Islamic militants, according to United States officials and foreign diplomats.No evidence has emerged linking the weapons provided by the Qataris during the uprising against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi to the attack that killed four Americans at the United States diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, in September.
But in the months before, the Obama administration clearly was worried about the consequences of its hidden hand in helping arm Libyan militants, concerns that have not previously been reported. The weapons and money from Qatar strengthened militant groups in Libya, allowing them to become a destabilizing force since the fall of the Qaddafi government.
The experience in Libya has taken on new urgency as the administration considers whether to play a direct role in arming rebels in Syria, where weapons are flowing in from Qatar and other countries.
The Obama administration did not initially raise objections when Qatar began shipping arms to opposition groups in Syria, even if it did not offer encouragement, according to current and former administration officials. But they said the United States has growing concerns that, just as in Libya, the Qataris are equipping some of the wrong militants.
The United States, which had only small numbers of C.I.A. officers in Libya during the tumult of the rebellion, provided little oversight of the arms shipments. Within weeks of endorsing Qatar's plan to send weapons there in spring 2011, the White House began receiving reports that they were going to Islamic militant groups. They were "more antidemocratic, more hard-line, closer to an extreme version of Islam" than the main rebel alliance in Libya, said a former Defense Department official.
And a comment from the NYT's site from someone (who apparently typed this on a smartphone) who clearly does understand Arab and Muslim cultures:
cpmt8PAAnd when we Americans are going to understand the Arab culture? It happened in Iran some years ago, and it will happen everytime we try to help them, always go the other way. If and when they had a dictator or a life president... and they are inteligent students or people who want to change things to improve their country and to became more advance and a free democracy, then it goes the oposite way. religious fanatics, extremist take over AND WIN. Bad for women, Bad for children, Bad for the ones wanted more freedom and more democracy. EVERY TIME HAPPENS THE SAME ... WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THEIR CULTURE. Before we try to help them, someone should study the consequences, and seriously study how to do it so it doens't back fire.
via Lisa Simeone







No evidence has emerged linking the weapons provided by the Qataris during the uprising against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi to the attack that killed four Americans at the United States diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, in September.
And technically according to the administration there was no evidence that what happened in Libya was anything other than a protest that got out of hand until after the election
lujlp at December 6, 2012 7:20 AM
Tested and tried with "Fast and Furious". Looks like this was the final version. Everything worked according to plan, huh.
What is with government and good intentions.
John Paulson at December 6, 2012 7:40 AM
If we're not actively hostile in a war with a govt, I don't think we should meddle in their affairs, even if they do mean things like vote against us at the UN or boycott Coca-Cola.
NicoleK at December 6, 2012 9:04 AM
From what the article says, shipping the weapons seems to have been the idea of the Qatar and UAE governments, and at least in the Qatar case, the weapons shipped were Russian and French designs. So while the U.S. government certainly approved the transfers, it didn't make them directly.
A couple of thoughts: Regarding the Qataris, it looks like the Qatari government is looking after its own interests. Not everything that happens in the Middle East is caused by our actions, directly or indirectly. Also, I'd like to find out more about this arms dealer named Marc Turi. His home raided by Homeland Security guys? Which Homeland Security guys would that be? The article didn't say.
Old RPM Daddy at December 6, 2012 9:22 AM
"When you were young and your heart was an open book
You used to say live and let live
(You know you did, you know you did you know you did)
But if this ever changing world in which we live in
Makes you give in and cry
Say live and let die
(Live and let die)
Live and let die
(Live and let die)" Sir Paul
We're broke, and there isn't a ton of reason to get involved arming sketchy people that are doing this for their own reasons that we don't know or understand.
I'ma old cynical curmudgeon, must be.
SwissArmyD at December 6, 2012 9:43 AM
What has been skipped by the media, many times, is what Chris Stevens was doing in Benghazi. He was having dinner with the Turkish Ambassador.
Turkey and Israel were running a joint blockade on the Gaza strip until 2010 and the Mavi Marmara raid. Then Turkey pulled out condemning Israel for overreach. Both Turkey and Israel could blockade Syria as well.
So let us guess what the conversation was about with the Turkish Ambassador:
Stevens: Can we run weapons into Syria?
Turk Ambassador: Depends on what you give us?
Stevens: I have to talk to B.O. or Hilary.
Turk Ambassador: Let me know.
Whether Al-Queada was just lucky or informed may never be known. It still smells of F&F.
Jim P. at December 6, 2012 8:13 PM
Jim, I have no doubt that they had inside info. They not only knew where Stevens would be at that time, but they also knew where his safe house was.
Cousin Dave at December 7, 2012 6:23 AM
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