The View From My WindowI'm in Miami for the annual Human Behavior and Evolution Society conference. Unfortunately, I get terribly airsick sometimes, and this was one of those times. Not quite sure how I made it from the airport to the hotel on Wednesday afternoon, but I did.
But then, though I took the red eye so I wouldn't miss Doug Kenrick's plenary on ev psych and behavioral econ and his soon-to-be-published book, The Rational Animal: How Evolution Made Us Smarter Than We Think, I slept through that and Tooby and Cosmides' and their grad students' sessions taking a critical look at research on game theory. Hoping to go find some of them or some friends who went to that session who can give me a recap.
I thought I could come back to life for Napoleon Chagnon's talk on the Yanomami, but no. It's pathetic -- 49 years old and I get motion-sick like an 8-year-old.
Feeling better now and planning on making the most of the rest of this conference!








I get airsick also. Best thing for it is generic Benedryl. Much cheaper than Dramamine. My Dr told me, chemically they are very close. Anytime I am nervous, the air or car sickness is worse. I particularly have trouble on early morning trips, and flights.
Isab at July 17, 2013 8:32 PM
Hopefully the rest of your trip will be better.
I'm prejudiced though. I never want to be in a high-rise and looking out on another one. But I hate cities anymore.
Jim P. at July 17, 2013 8:38 PM
I hope you recover quickly.
And see some 'gators.
I've read attacks on the legitimacy of Evo Psych as science. I'm not qualified to take sides. PZ Myers cited a piece by Satoshi Kanazawa as misogynistic and bad science. Your thoughts?
DaveG at July 17, 2013 9:03 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/07/the-view-from-m.html#comment-3808087">comment from IsabInteresting on the Benedryl. Amphetamines, which I take for ADHD, also help, but I didn't want to take Adderall when I needed to sleep.
PZ Myers is a fundamentalist in science teacher clothing. Here's Robert Kurzban on Myers:
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/07/18/the_view_from_m.html
Amy Alkon
at July 18, 2013 3:47 AM
I dunno about the Benadryl, unless you're going to use it to go to sleep. That stuff knocks me on my ass! And you only need a small amount, a teaspoon of the liquid Benadryl goes a long way. I'm out for a good 4 hours of solid, dreamless sleep when I take any.
Flynne at July 18, 2013 4:49 AM
Benedryl is something you build up a tolerance for. I started taking it at night to reduce bad allergies that kept me from sleeping.
Now rather than knocking me on my ass, it just relaxes me and calms my nerves.
The first thing that happens when I get motion sickness,is i start getting nervous that I am going to puke. It becomes a self fufilling prophesy.
Benedryl stops the chain reaction, and also to some extent mitigates jet lag on those long overseas flights.
Isab at July 18, 2013 6:30 AM
Alright ladies on the Benadryl. I used to take a med that is considered like 1,000 the dosage of Benadryl due to its hitting antihistamine receptors. Now it makes sense why it used to knock me out.
So I would get knocked out right? But when me and my doc tweaked the dose to go smaller I used to "trip" during the day. Aka I would have fucking DREAMS for like 3 seconds at a time,
Then when you go off of it you itch like a motherfucker.
I felt like a full blown junkie. It was fun.
Ppen at July 18, 2013 6:31 AM
"Now rather than knocking me on my ass, it just relaxes me and calms my nerves."
Now it makes sense why I never got anxious or nervous over anything. I never thought antihistamine receptors would do that.
It's funny how at certain lower doses I got hit harder with sleep.
Ppen at July 18, 2013 6:39 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/07/the-view-from-m.html#comment-3808216">comment from IsabA question, those of you with experience with Benedryl and motion sickness. There's that daytime one -- Actifed, I think it's called? It keeps you awake rather than putting you to sleep. Would that work? I think I have a few of those with me. (I'm trying to not leave the hotel here, both because I need to focus on the conference and because Florida's climate and I are not at one, let's just say.)
Amy Alkon
at July 18, 2013 6:52 AM
Huh. I'm pretty sure I'd rather sit next to a crying baby on a plane than a puking adult.
kf at July 18, 2013 7:36 AM
I hope you're enjoying our humidity and non-stop rain here in lovely South Florida this week, Amy. Too bad you weren't here in April/May. The weather was perfect.
I take a Clariton every other day to alleviate allergies and other ailments brought on by our climate. Seems to do the trick.
Sabrina at July 18, 2013 7:37 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/07/the-view-from-m.html#comment-3808263">comment from kfHuh. I'm pretty sure I'd rather sit next to a crying baby on a plane than a puking adult.
I try very, very hard to hold it until I can get to the airport to a bathroom, which I was successful at again. Also, I have been so motion-sick my entire life that I am really good at containing it and extremely neat. I was also only throwing up water (at the airport, where I did throw up, far away from everyone). I carry airsickness bags with me in my bag.
I usually don't get sick on planes and have no idea why I got sick on this one. I slept the whole way and managed to feel sick in my sleep. I don't usually take the red eye, so I can take amphetamines when I fly. This just happened to be the only way I could get to this conference in time, as I was on deadline until Tuesday night (for my column) and had turned in my book on Monday morning (working 19 hours Sunday night and a few more from 5 am to 7 am on Monday morning). If I hadn't had such an enormous deadline -- my book -- I would have worked ahead on my column and flown out during the day on Tuesday. I HATE the red-eye.
Amy Alkon
at July 18, 2013 8:05 AM
Right now most of the country is not at one with the climate. It's a roaster oven outside with a gallon of water in an open pan.
Jim P. at July 18, 2013 8:57 AM
True that, Jim P. We're on the shore up here in southern New England and I can't remember a hotter summer. Heat wave indeed. Thank the gods for air conditioning, but I hope we don't have a brown out. Things are supposed to cool off over the weekend. We'll see.
Amy, I don't know about Actifed, I've never used it. I'd say go with a low dose at first and see how it works for you. Then you can adjust it as you need to.
Flynne at July 18, 2013 9:09 AM
If you get riled and feel the urge to make a stand against the TSA gropenmonkeys -
**STOP**
do it at your home airport, not some jurisdiction a thousand miles from home, and have a friend or two quietly film the entire encounter, preferably from different angles.
- Because we need our beloved Goddess home and publishing, not languishing far from home...
kenmce at July 18, 2013 9:23 AM
Don't valet your car at the airport. Or anywhere else, most likely.
Cousin Dave at July 18, 2013 10:46 AM
Love that Art Deco architecture!
Sorry - no recommendations for air sickness.
Ben David at July 18, 2013 11:06 AM
Children's bonine: much less drowsiness than Dramamine. Both because of the dose and the active ingredient.
smurfy at July 18, 2013 11:26 AM
Children's bonine: much less drowsiness than Dramamine. Both because of the dose and the active ingredient.
Posted by: smurfy at July 18, 2013 11:26 AM
Dramamine comes in a daytime formula which is essentially Meclozine. Makes me feel very weird though, and it is ten times the cost of Generic Benedryl.
Pills are divisible you know. You dont have to swallow the whole pill.
Bonine is Meclozine. Just another antihistamine, and again, ten times more expensive than Benedryl.
Any antihistamine will most probably help with motion sickness. You just need to experiment with the dose and the side effects.
The daytime antihistamines make me jittery and raise my blood pressure.
Isab at July 18, 2013 1:44 PM
"PZ Myers is a fundamentalist in science teacher clothing. Here's Robert Kurzban on Myers:"
That must be why he was banned from seeing Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, despite his having appeared in the thing.
By the way - the link's wrong, so I looked at a Robert Kurzban article about PZ, and found it tedious. I have never seen a hint of religious advocacy in Pharyngula, his blog - in fact, it's full of attacks on religion - and so I think the meaning of "fundamentalist" is somewhat secondary at best.
I stopped following his blog because neither he nor his followers apply the same rigor they would use in the lab to the first thing they say about other subjects. It's a wonderful example of Peter Drucker's "arrogance of the learned".
Radwaste at July 18, 2013 6:40 PM
I once chartered an aerial tour of Santa Monica at sunset in a 3-seater plane for my husband's birthday. It would have been fine if we'd not hit some turbulence during take off, which caused the plane to drop suddenly. Motion sickness took over and I could barely enjoy the rest of the flight. When we landed, I puked ever so slightly (I'd thankfully not eaten before the flight.)
I was told by the pilot that people who tend to get motion sickness have thinner inner ear fluid than those who don't. It seemed to make sense to me, but I haven't found anything to verify that. Has anybody else heard of this as being a reason why some people get motion sickness while others don't?
prawntohe at July 19, 2013 9:40 AM
Ah. You probably won't want to do this, then.
The slingshot, I mean.
Not the wedding.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at July 19, 2013 11:28 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/07/the-view-from-m.html#comment-3809788">comment from prawntoheI was told by the pilot that people who tend to get motion sickness have thinner inner ear fluid than those who don't.
Interesting. Hadn't heard this. Wonder if it's legend or real? Will look it up.
Amy Alkon
at July 19, 2013 12:41 PM
Yeah, no thanks!
prawntohe at July 19, 2013 12:49 PM
I use either Benedryl or Dramamine to help me sleep at night. I don’t have air sickness. They both make me sleepy, but Dramamine works best because Benedryl swells up my prostate and I have to get up three or four times during the night. Dramamine does not do this. Unisom and the other sleep stuff is worse than Benedryl on the prostate.
ken at July 20, 2013 10:38 AM
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