An unmentioned side effect: were she a US citizen, and wish in future to have a means of self-defense, the felony conviction would bar her from purchasing a firearm - and some employment opportunities.

I don't think feminists in the USA realize just how good they have it.

Her first problem was that she admitted to consensual sex outside of marriage with her boyfriend. Therefore she admitted she is not a virgin and thus is fair game to get "raped".

(I doubt they believe non virgins can get raped.)

Her second problem is that she drank alcohol outside a designated area.

That country by the way is an active slave country. They have no qualms about keeping Muslim South East Asian and Africans as slaves so I have no idea why any western woman would work there.

"Dalelv, who worked for an interior design firm in Qatar since 2011..."

Note the past tense. The franchise owner of that design firm, Al Mana Interiors, is Wissam al-Mana, Qatari billionaire and hubby of Janet Jackson. On being informed of Ms Dalelv's situation, he sent her a charming letter:

"Your employment agreement is termination(sic) due to your unacceptable and improper behavior during your last business trip to Dubai, which has resulted in your arrest by the Police Authorities in UAE"

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/midtosten/artikkel.php?artid=10112152

Just another example of a bubble headed idiot wandering around the world like they were in Disneyland.

While I dont blame the victim for the crime committed against her, any consumption of alcohol in an Islamic country will give the authorities the hook they need to hold you partially responsible for anything that happens to you.

If you are a woman: Don't go there, and dont work there unless you are sure you know both the law, and the social customs, and are willing to follow them.

Calling the police in a thugocracy, is never a good idea.

Apparently they caved to Western media pressure. Which goes to show you that these things SHOULD be talked about and rpessure applied.

If some wacko Christian pastor endorsed this practice to a cult of 10 people as 99.9% of Christians condemned it, the press and the president and every feminist would be sounding trumpets against."right wing intolerance."

Yet when scores of islamists support this, and 99% of moderate Muslims are silent out of fear, the press and the president urge us not to judge a religion based on a few extremists.

If some wacko Christian pastor endorsed this practice to a cult of 10 people as 99.9% of Christians condemned it, the press and the president and every feminist would be sounding trumpets against."right wing intolerance."

Posted by: Trust at July 22, 2013 11:47 AM
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People can say what they want about the "misandric American society," but I suspect it's safe to say that right-wing Christian churchmen and their flocks of sheep are far more protective of "respectable" men who commit rape and incest than other American Christians.

@: lenona

Nonsense. The mere accusation would end a right winger's career. They certainly wouldn't be the keynote speaker at a national convention where a highlight was a "war on women."

But to.be fair, your.mindset is common. Right wing is portrayed as synonymous with bad whereas left wing, which has and uses far more power, is a rarely used term.

lenona, that opinion of yours right there is why Billy Graham would never enter a hotel room first or stay in one by himself. It's pathetic that conservatives have to be immaculate and entirely above even the suspicion of wrongdoing while liberals can do anything -ANYTHING-and get a pass. (leave a girl in a car to drown, email pics of his junk, sexually harass women in his employ,solicit male teen pages for sex, have sex in the oval office....the list goes on).

It doesn't matter HOW often this happens, libs will never-NEVER condemn islam. Muslims-like blacks-can do no wrong. That is the first law. There are no other laws.

I also remember when democrat Robert Byrd dropped the n word on television, and got by with a simple apology even though he was a former klansman.

Yet Republican Trent Lott said nice things about strom Thurmond at his 100th birthday party and that got misrepresented as endorsement of segregation and none of his frequent apologies were accepted.

Bottom line is.there is more political gains to be made my discrediting Christianity than in criticizing Islam. Therefore political opportunities win.

People can say what they want about the "misandric American society," but I suspect it's safe to say that right-wing Christian churchmen and their flocks of sheep are far more protective of "respectable" men who commit rape and incest than other American Christians. -- lenona at July 22, 2013 12:46 PM

There are any number of cases where members of the Catholic and Protestant faiths have done something wrong and it was covered up.

There are also many cases of those "elder" members faiths that have been outed, and prosecuted to the full extent of the law, let alone the lay person.

The members of the congregation may protect the "elders" but the other congregations don't let it lie.

But under Muslim and Sharia law a lay person can commit rape and be protected by the "law" and the lay people say not a word.

It is not an equal comparison by any means.

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Obama has been agitating to get rid of the majority of the United State's nuclear weapons. Can I suggest a place and method? …

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Posted by: Jim P. at July 22, 2013 7:31 PM

Yes, and the ensuing nuclear winter, will put to rest all those global warmist fears. Win-Win. :-).

I can invite a guy to my hotel room, consume alcohol, then, after sex occurs, run down to the lobby and cry "rape!" in a muslim country, just as I am free -- no, encouraged -- to do in a Western femocracy ....

NOT!

The problem with any rape charge is that you can only prove sex most of the time, without obvious injury of some sort, its difficult to prove that force was used.

In a nation where reasonable doubt and the presumption of innocence is theoretically a given and built into law, even where we are presented with circumstances that sound like it MUST have been rape, we require evidence to support the use of force. And as a slew of cases have demonstrated, women can be every bit as sexually nasty as men. (Hofstra) and accusations need have no obvious motivation for lying (Duke), for it to turn out to have been consensual, or for it to turn out to have been a lie.

Islamic law on the subject of rape faces the same problems we do, their approach is barbaric by our standards, since it presumes the woman guilty of a crime that we don't even call a crime, and a man innocent of a crime even if proof is shown that it was a criminal act. Their basic presumption is:

More women are sluts than men are rapists
Therefore if a woman has had sex, without witnesses as proof she is guilty of adultery or licentious behavior, which they view as destructive to their society.
Women will lie for women, therefore female witnesses are inadmissable.

I state this not as a defence of their way of doing things, only as a statement of how it is.

Now...all that having been said...

If a woman is stupid enough to travel to a country without knowing anything about how she can expect to be treated there, well frankly I call that a potential Darwin Award winner right there.

We in the United States are accustomed to much to being secure against danger in our persons and in our rights, and thinking that authorities are always there to help (even here that is not always the case) abroad, to many Americans presume that their rights and bodies will be accorded that same protection and justice.

But that is not a certainty. I will never take my daughter to Saudi, to Iran, to Dubai, to Yemen, indeed anywhere in the Middle East but Israel. I would not mind traveling through those countries myself, not because I am an American, but because I understand their customs and am afforded protections that women are not, under their laws. It is not 'risk free' of course, but nowhere in the world is. I felt very comfortable walking through Qatar alone, I would never allow my daughter or my wife the same liberty, not because they do not deserve it, but because that country would not provide it.

Nonsense. The mere accusation would end a right winger's career.

Posted by: Trust at July 22, 2013 1:16 PM
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If you're talking about the 21st century, yes, that could be the case, whether for a conservative individual or a group.

But there was definitely a time when SYSTEMATIC abuse - and systematic cover-ups - by the church was something that was not to be challenged, in part because the unofficial conservative stance was that trusted, respectable adults could never be guilty of child sexual abuse, in particular (i.e., even child victims who'd never heard of molestation "must be" liars), that only grubby strangers did such things, and that respectable women were SUPPOSED to have chaperones of one kind or another all the time (even if they didn't in real life), so if they got raped, it was their fault. While it's true that 20th-century left-wing men took quite a while to accept, grudgingly, the idea that they had to support women's rights - including the right not to be harassed or worse - at least they admitted that ALL women had those rights, not just "virtuous women." (Whereas chivalry, in conservative circles, was often restricted to certain women.)

And just as pockets of slavery exist everywhere in the world, despite slavery being illegal in all nations, I'd say it's safe to say that there are still many conservative communities where "respectable" rapists get a free pass because the social attitude is that men can't help themselves and it's a woman's moral, if not legal, duty to "stay out of the way," so if a woman complains, she's considered the problem, not the criminal.

It's all a matter of how FAMOUS a man is - if he doesn't live in a liberal community and doesn't have a greater fame radius than a hundred miles or so, chances are he can do as he pleases.