A College Exit Exam? And How I Only Finished College Because I Know There's A Prejudice Against Those Who Haven't
It makes sense to test for ability in some professions. For example, when I hire a part-time editorial assistant, I give candidates an editing test and I look at samples of their writing.
The editing test involves writing as well, in case somebody turns in an essay that ways, say, first plagiarized by Jonah Lehrer.
But the notion that a college education is what prepares you for a job isn't necessarily true.
And businesses are stupid to do what Investor's Business Daily did to Matt Welch, formerly a reason Magazine writer and the assistant editorial page editor of the LA Times, and now the editor-in-chief of reason.
IBD was all set to hire him -- until they found that he didn't have a sheepskin. Why not? He went to college for three years and learned journalism by working on his college newspaper and then moved to Prague and started a successful newspaper with some of his buddies from the paper.
Matt wrote on his old blog:
[July 13, 1998] -- What do I, an obscure free-lancer, have in common with the exalted likes of Carl Bernstein, Walter Cronkite, Pete Hamill, Mike Royko, Hunter S. Thompson, Nina Totenberg and Ken Layne?We are, all of us, ineligible to work for Investor's Business Daily, the nation's 49th largest newspaper. Why? Because none of us has a college degree.
"I'm sorry," explained the IBD's Mike Krey when breaking the news to me. "I didn't realize the guidelines were so strict."
This was the third time Mike and I had talked on the phone about a job on the computer/tech desk of the Wall Street Journal's main competitor. The first two times went very well, and he was further encouraged by my previous employers' recommendations, such as "there could be no better candidate for your job."
The next step was supposed to be a trial article and perhaps a quick test at the paper's Los Angeles headquarters. But the home office had its standards -- none of the 40-odd editorial staff is without a degree -- and my candidacy was snuffed.
"I was surprised to learn of that policy, and in complete disagreement," Krey wrote to my former editor. "I, too, thought we had a winner."
These are hard words to read when you can't afford to buy health insurance for your wife. Harder still if you hold onto the belief, despite all evidence, that newspapers are ugly and noble collections of diverse, flawed humans whose only shared characteristic is the desire to put out a good paper.
Ironically, I had originally been attracted to Investor's Business Daily because of its spirited help-wanted ads in the trades, seeking candidates who "go against the grain" or "think outside of the box" or whatever.
Idiots.
There's now a piece by Douglas Belkin in the WSJ about post-college testing:
The new voluntary test, which the nonprofit behind it calls CLA +, represents the latest threat to the fraying monopoly that traditional four-year colleges have enjoyed in defining what it means to be well educated.Even as students spend more on tuition--and take on increasing debt to pay for it--they are earning diplomas whose value is harder to calculate. Studies show that grade-point averages, or GPAs, have been rising steadily for decades, but employers feel many new graduates aren't prepared for the workforce.
Meanwhile, more students are taking inexpensive classes such as Massive Open Online Courses, or MOOCs, but have no way to earn a meaningful academic credential from them.
HNTB Corp., a national architectural firm with 3,600 employees, see value in new tools such as the CLA +, said Michael Sweeney, a senior vice president. Even students with top grades from good schools may not "be able to write well or make an argument," he said. "I think at some point everybody has been fooled by good grades or a good resume."
The new test "has the potential to be a very powerful tool for employers," said Ronald Gidwitz, a board member of the Council for Aid to Education, the group behind the test, and a retired chief executive of Helene Curtis, a Chicago-based hair-care company that was bought by Unilever in 1996.
Only one in four employers think that two- and four-year colleges are doing a good job preparing students for the global economy, according to a 2010 survey conducted for the Association of American Colleges and Universities.
Meanwhile, GPAs have been on the rise. A 2012 study looking at the grades of 1.5 million students from 200 four-year U.S. colleges and universities found that the percentage of A's given by teachers nearly tripled between 1940 and 2008. A college diploma is now more a mark "of social class than an indicator of academic accomplishment," said Stuart Rojstaczer, a former Duke University geophysics professor and co-author of the study.
Employers such as General Mills Inc. and Procter & Gamble Co. long have used their own job-applicant assessments. At some companies such as Google Inc., GPAs carry less weight than they once did because they have been shown to have little correlation with job success, said a Google spokeswoman.
Exactly. You need to test for your job if you test. And it helps to be a good judge of character and to be lucky enough to not interview clever sociopaths who can fake it well.
Of course, what I'd want to do is take the test without the college. I learn more independently than I ever did in school. For example, I just posted on one of the ev psych boards I'm on on Facebook to ask for advice on books to read on epigenetics, one of which I just ordered from the library.
Quite frankly, I only finished college because I knew people have a prejudice against those who don't.








Yep, it's a good idea - especially because, as you mention at the end, you could save yourself thousands of dollars and take the test without going to college.
However, employers used to test people for aptitude and it was deemed racist.
Pirate Jo at August 26, 2013 7:37 AM
Someone said "nowadays you go to college to prove you have a high school education."
Clearly, Roald Dahl didn't need to prove HE was that educated in the 1930s - which is why he said that he considered university a waste of time unless one were going to become a doctor, lawyer or engineer. That is, when you see what he and his preteen classmates were studying for FUN on Saturdays at his boarding school, you KNOW he probably had the equivalent of a modern college education by age 17.
http://www.e-reading-lib.com/bookreader.php/1010580/Dahl_-_The_Wonderful_Story_of_Henry_Sugar_and_Six_More.html
Search on "Augustine." You'll see a partial list of the literary works they were reading as preteens. It may shock you.
lenona at August 26, 2013 9:17 AM
I visited the website for that weird CLA+ test, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people could pass the thing before going to college.
I agree, it's up to employers to test applicants. I had to take a skills test before every post-grad job I've had.
And if a school is constantly churning out students who aren't worth the paper their degree is printed on, that's a problem for the school to address. I had to take a skills test for my majors to graduate (around the same time I took my finals). Some people (not many) failed and had to retake the test/certain courses until they passed. The last thing my school wanted was to send these students out into the world to give it a bad reputation among employers.
sofar at August 26, 2013 9:27 AM
Oh, you'll have to go to school to be able to qualify for the tests.
Even if that's not the case initially, it'll soon enough end up that way.
I want to say it's CA - they changed the bar exam requirements to have a prereq a graduation from a "accredited" law school.
The fact that paralegals were passing the bar at a 20% (IIRC) greater rate than newly minted law students probably had nothing to do with it.
IBD is obviously run by their HR department. Which is part of what's just killing productivity in this country.
Unix-Jedi at August 26, 2013 9:46 AM
Wouldn't it be interesting to give a test BEFORE college and then the same test AFTER?
I wonder if the scores would, as an average, go up or down?
Charles at August 26, 2013 8:21 PM
This was addressed more in this Separating Programming Sheep from Non-Programming Goats entry.
But don't skip this one either:
www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/02/why-cant-programmers-program.html
Jim P. at August 26, 2013 8:27 PM
College is an expensive IQ test
The law says that a company cannot give an employment test unless it has been shown to be non-discriminatory in effect, that it doesn't screen out people of color at a different rate than people of pallor.
So, employers don't create their own tests or use standardized tests. Companies rely heavily on college degrees to give them some little information about the quality of candidates. Interviewers talk randomly about whatever they want, using personal judgment to decide if the candidate is "a good match". This is supposed to be less discriminatory!
Schools are conveniently exempt from testing restrictions, because supposedly they are altruistic and not connected to the filthy pursuit of money. So, they administer tests to determine who gets in and what grades they receive. I think that most of the excellence claimed by the top schools is actually selected up front by taking the students who test best out of high school. They have no magic "excellence" which can accept a poorly testing student and produce a great testing one.
( econlog.econlib.org/archives/2012/02/the_career_cons . html )
The Career Consequences of Failing versus Forgetting
02/09/12 - EconLog by Bryan Caplan [edited]
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How would your career have been different if you had failed all the classes you've totally forgotten?
According to the human capital model [schools teach useful stuff], never learning course material (failing) should have exactly the same career consequences as forgetting the course material. Either way, you lack the skills, and the labor market should treat you accordingly.
According to the signaling model [showing character by performing difficult, if useless tasks], the consequences of failing and forgetting are different. When you fail to learn useless material, you send a bad signal. When you demonstrate mastery of useless material, you send a good signal. The material doesn't matter. Employers naturally snub people who fail, yet smile upon those who merely forget.
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( insidehighered . com/news/2011/12/07/khan-academy-ponders-what-it-can-teach-higher-education-establishment )
College is Expensive and Unmeasured
12/2011 - Inside Higher Education - about Kahn Academy [edited]
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Kahn: The price of a college degree is not just tuition. What does the degree mean? A college degree is issued by the same institution that is in charge of setting and enforcing the standards of that degree. This is like an investment bank rating its own securities. The accrediting agencies which legitimize those “ratings” do not currently focus on what students measurably know.
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Andrew_M_Garland at August 26, 2013 10:34 PM
"I agree, it's up to employers to test applicants. "
Except that the Duke Power decision made that illegal.
Cousin Dave at August 27, 2013 10:49 AM
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