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Do skateboarders skate on the street in front of your home, and do you find the banging of skateboards on asphalt to be uncomfortable? And do the police merely tell you that the skateboarder has the right to be on a public street, so there's nothing that law enforcement can do about it?
Ordinarily, I wouldn't have shared this video here. But I did leave a sympathetic comment on this video, because I happen to think this kid at 14 (he's now 19) was polite, respectful and he conducted himself appropriately in the face of -- let's face it -- this woman's pure evil.
And he sent me a message asking me what he should do as he still feels anger over the incident. He said that he wished to confront the old lady and go off on her.
My advice was to not do it, since nothing would make that old bitch happier than to know that she pissed him off so much that he's still harboring anger about it five years later. She'd be cackling with glee as she soars the night sky on her broom!
Patrick
at September 23, 2013 2:53 AM
The bell-ringers are out again! I swear the Salvation Army does it earlier every year.
However, this year, I'm not giving them a dime. It seems they believe that I should be put to death. Why would I give money to an organization that wants me killed?
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/d-link.html#comment-3931942">comment from Patrick
The rape accusation is wrong, obviously.
But here's the thing: Imagine that much of your day is punctuated with the sound of skateboards slamming on the pavement, maybe making your dog bark at every slam. (Teen boys skateboarding generally aren't just wheeling down the street once -- they're doing tricks over and over again.) I used to do this on my roller skates at the end of a street that turned into a cul de sac'y thing in New York. But my roller skates made no noise. I disturbed no one.
This is a case of underparenting, it seems to me -- parents not monitoring what their kids are doing and whether they're bothering people. It also seems to be a case of the old lady probably not saying something initially -- to the kids, who, from their response, seem like nice kids -- or to their parents, about the noise. What she could have done is go down to the parents' house and talk to them neighbor to neighbor, and ask them to come in and hear it from her perspective. Not in an attacking way, but to see what they could all do together to solve the problem.
People have a right to be on a public street -- a legal right. There probably are laws/rules there about making persistent noise to the point where somebody's peaceful enjoyment of their home is violated.
I would go nuts if I had persistent slams of skateboards as the soundtrack to my home life. Wouldn't you?
The Goddess Writes: But here's the thing: Imagine that much of your day is punctuated with the sound of skateboards slamming on the pavement, maybe making your dog bark at every slam. (Teen boys skateboarding generally aren't just wheeling down the street once -- they're doing tricks over and over again.)
Sorry, Amy, but totally wrong. Here's the problem: the child has the right to be where he is, doing what he's doing. The woman's complaint? Her dog barks.
The solution to the problem is on her end and only her end. She needs to train the dog to be quiet when she orders it to. And there are obedience classes that will teach the dog to do that. If she's balked by the expense, then she shouldn't have a dog. It's like having a kid; if you can't afford them, don't have them.
And according to the video, she did ask the kids to move away from her home, and they did. Evidently it wasn't far enough. It is completely unreasonable to expect the children who live in that neighborhood and have a right to skate if they want, to move out of earshot of a dog!
The complaint is similar to the one on this video (put up by the same 14-year-old).
A belligerent old man is complaining about the skaters doing tricks that make his dog bark. And he attacks and blames the skaters. The problem is on his end. Get thee to obedience school and learn how to control your dog, which he should do anyway. That dog is large and could easily knock the man down if he decides to chase a cat, for instance. If you can't control your dog in public, then you need to get your dog out of public.
And roller skates do make noise, especially if a child is doing tricks on them. And the "rape" accusation went beyond "wrong." It was evil and sick.
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/d-link.html#comment-3932089">comment from Patrick
Patrick, it isn't just that the dog barks.
It's that your living environment has a soundtrack of skateboards slamming on pavement repeatedly for hours.
There are noise laws that prohibit noise that interferes in this way. Nobody has a right to turn your living room into a skateboard park.
Could you imagine living with constant skateboard slams in your life for hours and hours? When you want to read a book or just be in your house quietly? It's hell.
I live in an apartment at the moment, ground floor, about 15 feet from the parking lot. Kids play on skateboards all day long during the summer with a ramp doing tricks. They are right outside my patio door. I can't hear them unless I have my windows open. They can't possibly be that loud and annoying. And even if it was, it's not something I feel I should complain about. It's normal outside noise, not somebody blasting a stereo and making your walls shake. It's unreasonable and unrealistic to expect complete and total silence from the world so as to not annoy you or your dog.
BunnyGirl
at September 23, 2013 9:40 AM
Even if the skateboarding bothered me, I would tolerate quite a bit to avoid discouraging children, particularly boys, from active play outside. They already have enough adults telling them they are bad for simply doing what comes naturally. I wouldn't want to add to that chorus.
sj
at September 23, 2013 9:47 AM
I'm on the kid's side on this. She asked them not to skateboard in front of her house, they moved. She's still not happy with the level of noise - which does suck with skateboarders. However, if it's her dog barking, it's her problem. If you want complete silence, then move out of what appears to be a family/kid oriented neighborhood, to the country so you don't have to hear it. I live in a very tight condo community and there are a couple of adults and a few kids who all skateboard. It drives my dog nuts, but it's up to me to silence my dog, not silence the people that are also enjoying the use of their property. The only time I complain is if one of the kids is skateboarding in the street after 10 pm.
We used to live on a cul-de-sac in a family neighborhood, all single family homes. There was one crazy old bat who would come out and scream and yell at the kids if they stepped on the public sidewalk in front of her house. I couldn't even walk my dog around our block without her screaming at me. Of course, she's the same lady who opened her door and let her dog roam the street. The point is, the problem was hers, and hers alone. If she truly didn't like the sounds of kids and animals, she should NOT have been living in a family neighborhood. Just as the lady in the video shouldn't be there if her ears are so sensitive.
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/d-link.html#comment-3932184">comment from sj
Even if the skateboarding bothered me, I would tolerate quite a bit to avoid discouraging children, particularly boys, from active play outside. They already have enough adults telling them they are bad for simply doing what comes naturally. I wouldn't want to add to that chorus.
Oh, please.
You're going to live with hours of annoying noise?
Doing what comes naturally should be balanced with understanding that you aren't the only person in the universe. Skateboards have wheels and are easily moved to another location.
You have no right to permeate another person's environment with hours of noise. None. None. None.
And for anyone who doesn't understand, these kids are surely doing jumps on their skateboards -- see the chair. Each jump makes a loud clatter.
Again, no one has a right to insert many loud clatters into another person's living room.
Sorry, Amy. Maybe your experience is different than mine, but I'm with BunnyGirl; I've just never noticed that skateboarding is that loud.
And I like watching the kids play outside. In any case, that crazy old bitch is no reliable barometer as to what is or isn't annoying.
We can't take her word on anything. She's a malicious and cruel liar. We know this. How do I know that her dog wasn't barking (if it was barking) merely because it happened to see young boys playing outside and wanted to join in?
Incidentally, when the child messaged me, he indicated that her lies were successful, which I find shocking (and somewhat hard to believe), and his friends in the neighborhood were no longer allowed to play with him.
There is no magnitude of annoyance great enough that even comes close to justifying that woman's behavior.
Patrick
at September 23, 2013 10:32 AM
And in other news, related to the anti-gun hysteria, a seventh grade child may be suspended from school for the rest of the year, for playing with a toy gun...in his own yard!
Patrick
at September 23, 2013 2:09 PM
Skateboarding kid might have a slander case. I don't know the statute of limitations, but people can and do still get awarded money because someone spread malicious lies that tarnished their professional and personal image. I'd advise him to talk to an attorney. That kind fo shit can follow him for life, esp with the internet now.
momof4
at September 23, 2013 2:54 PM
I'm always curious by the things I post. I never know which one will start a conversation going, and which ones won't.
Patrick
at September 23, 2013 3:05 PM
How come the itch on my back is just out of my reach? Always.
Do skateboarders skate on the street in front of your home, and do you find the banging of skateboards on asphalt to be uncomfortable? And do the police merely tell you that the skateboarder has the right to be on a public street, so there's nothing that law enforcement can do about it?
No problem at all! You simply accuse this fourteen year old kid of raping his friends and tell all the neighbors your wicked lies.
Ordinarily, I wouldn't have shared this video here. But I did leave a sympathetic comment on this video, because I happen to think this kid at 14 (he's now 19) was polite, respectful and he conducted himself appropriately in the face of -- let's face it -- this woman's pure evil.
And he sent me a message asking me what he should do as he still feels anger over the incident. He said that he wished to confront the old lady and go off on her.
My advice was to not do it, since nothing would make that old bitch happier than to know that she pissed him off so much that he's still harboring anger about it five years later. She'd be cackling with glee as she soars the night sky on her broom!
Patrick at September 23, 2013 2:53 AM
The bell-ringers are out again! I swear the Salvation Army does it earlier every year.
However, this year, I'm not giving them a dime. It seems they believe that I should be put to death. Why would I give money to an organization that wants me killed?
Patrick at September 23, 2013 2:58 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/d-link.html#comment-3931942">comment from PatrickThe rape accusation is wrong, obviously.
But here's the thing: Imagine that much of your day is punctuated with the sound of skateboards slamming on the pavement, maybe making your dog bark at every slam. (Teen boys skateboarding generally aren't just wheeling down the street once -- they're doing tricks over and over again.) I used to do this on my roller skates at the end of a street that turned into a cul de sac'y thing in New York. But my roller skates made no noise. I disturbed no one.
This is a case of underparenting, it seems to me -- parents not monitoring what their kids are doing and whether they're bothering people. It also seems to be a case of the old lady probably not saying something initially -- to the kids, who, from their response, seem like nice kids -- or to their parents, about the noise. What she could have done is go down to the parents' house and talk to them neighbor to neighbor, and ask them to come in and hear it from her perspective. Not in an attacking way, but to see what they could all do together to solve the problem.
People have a right to be on a public street -- a legal right. There probably are laws/rules there about making persistent noise to the point where somebody's peaceful enjoyment of their home is violated.
I would go nuts if I had persistent slams of skateboards as the soundtrack to my home life. Wouldn't you?
Amy Alkon
at September 23, 2013 7:25 AM
The Goddess Writes: But here's the thing: Imagine that much of your day is punctuated with the sound of skateboards slamming on the pavement, maybe making your dog bark at every slam. (Teen boys skateboarding generally aren't just wheeling down the street once -- they're doing tricks over and over again.)
Sorry, Amy, but totally wrong. Here's the problem: the child has the right to be where he is, doing what he's doing. The woman's complaint? Her dog barks.
The solution to the problem is on her end and only her end. She needs to train the dog to be quiet when she orders it to. And there are obedience classes that will teach the dog to do that. If she's balked by the expense, then she shouldn't have a dog. It's like having a kid; if you can't afford them, don't have them.
And according to the video, she did ask the kids to move away from her home, and they did. Evidently it wasn't far enough. It is completely unreasonable to expect the children who live in that neighborhood and have a right to skate if they want, to move out of earshot of a dog!
The complaint is similar to the one on this video (put up by the same 14-year-old).
A belligerent old man is complaining about the skaters doing tricks that make his dog bark. And he attacks and blames the skaters. The problem is on his end. Get thee to obedience school and learn how to control your dog, which he should do anyway. That dog is large and could easily knock the man down if he decides to chase a cat, for instance. If you can't control your dog in public, then you need to get your dog out of public.
And roller skates do make noise, especially if a child is doing tricks on them. And the "rape" accusation went beyond "wrong." It was evil and sick.
Patrick at September 23, 2013 7:51 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/d-link.html#comment-3932089">comment from PatrickPatrick, it isn't just that the dog barks.
It's that your living environment has a soundtrack of skateboards slamming on pavement repeatedly for hours.
There are noise laws that prohibit noise that interferes in this way. Nobody has a right to turn your living room into a skateboard park.
Could you imagine living with constant skateboard slams in your life for hours and hours? When you want to read a book or just be in your house quietly? It's hell.
Amy Alkon
at September 23, 2013 8:53 AM
I live in an apartment at the moment, ground floor, about 15 feet from the parking lot. Kids play on skateboards all day long during the summer with a ramp doing tricks. They are right outside my patio door. I can't hear them unless I have my windows open. They can't possibly be that loud and annoying. And even if it was, it's not something I feel I should complain about. It's normal outside noise, not somebody blasting a stereo and making your walls shake. It's unreasonable and unrealistic to expect complete and total silence from the world so as to not annoy you or your dog.
BunnyGirl at September 23, 2013 9:40 AM
Even if the skateboarding bothered me, I would tolerate quite a bit to avoid discouraging children, particularly boys, from active play outside. They already have enough adults telling them they are bad for simply doing what comes naturally. I wouldn't want to add to that chorus.
sj at September 23, 2013 9:47 AM
I'm on the kid's side on this. She asked them not to skateboard in front of her house, they moved. She's still not happy with the level of noise - which does suck with skateboarders. However, if it's her dog barking, it's her problem. If you want complete silence, then move out of what appears to be a family/kid oriented neighborhood, to the country so you don't have to hear it. I live in a very tight condo community and there are a couple of adults and a few kids who all skateboard. It drives my dog nuts, but it's up to me to silence my dog, not silence the people that are also enjoying the use of their property. The only time I complain is if one of the kids is skateboarding in the street after 10 pm.
We used to live on a cul-de-sac in a family neighborhood, all single family homes. There was one crazy old bat who would come out and scream and yell at the kids if they stepped on the public sidewalk in front of her house. I couldn't even walk my dog around our block without her screaming at me. Of course, she's the same lady who opened her door and let her dog roam the street. The point is, the problem was hers, and hers alone. If she truly didn't like the sounds of kids and animals, she should NOT have been living in a family neighborhood. Just as the lady in the video shouldn't be there if her ears are so sensitive.
sara at September 23, 2013 9:57 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/d-link.html#comment-3932184">comment from sjEven if the skateboarding bothered me, I would tolerate quite a bit to avoid discouraging children, particularly boys, from active play outside. They already have enough adults telling them they are bad for simply doing what comes naturally. I wouldn't want to add to that chorus.
Oh, please.
You're going to live with hours of annoying noise?
Doing what comes naturally should be balanced with understanding that you aren't the only person in the universe. Skateboards have wheels and are easily moved to another location.
You have no right to permeate another person's environment with hours of noise. None. None. None.
And for anyone who doesn't understand, these kids are surely doing jumps on their skateboards -- see the chair. Each jump makes a loud clatter.
Again, no one has a right to insert many loud clatters into another person's living room.
Amy Alkon
at September 23, 2013 10:06 AM
Parent arrested at forum after protesting use of common core
He's facing up to 10 years in prison.
Jim P. at September 23, 2013 10:21 AM
Sorry, Amy. Maybe your experience is different than mine, but I'm with BunnyGirl; I've just never noticed that skateboarding is that loud.
And I like watching the kids play outside. In any case, that crazy old bitch is no reliable barometer as to what is or isn't annoying.
We can't take her word on anything. She's a malicious and cruel liar. We know this. How do I know that her dog wasn't barking (if it was barking) merely because it happened to see young boys playing outside and wanted to join in?
Incidentally, when the child messaged me, he indicated that her lies were successful, which I find shocking (and somewhat hard to believe), and his friends in the neighborhood were no longer allowed to play with him.
There is no magnitude of annoyance great enough that even comes close to justifying that woman's behavior.
Patrick at September 23, 2013 10:32 AM
And in other news, related to the anti-gun hysteria, a seventh grade child may be suspended from school for the rest of the year, for playing with a toy gun...in his own yard!
Patrick at September 23, 2013 2:09 PM
Skateboarding kid might have a slander case. I don't know the statute of limitations, but people can and do still get awarded money because someone spread malicious lies that tarnished their professional and personal image. I'd advise him to talk to an attorney. That kind fo shit can follow him for life, esp with the internet now.
momof4 at September 23, 2013 2:54 PM
I'm always curious by the things I post. I never know which one will start a conversation going, and which ones won't.
Patrick at September 23, 2013 3:05 PM
How come the itch on my back is just out of my reach? Always.
Dave B at September 23, 2013 5:47 PM
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