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Andrew Rannells performs "I Believe" from "The Book of Mormon," by South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone.
Elder Price (played by Rannells), is having reservations about his calling as a missionary to deliver the message of Mormonism to a dangerous warlord, but rather than walk away from his calling, reaffirms his beliefs as a Mormon.
Good voice, funny song, and Rannells couldn't look more like a Mormon missionary if he tried, but the way he licks his lips is kinda gross.
Patrick
at September 15, 2013 1:22 AM
Good points, about why women should stop saying, "I have a boyfriend," and start saying, "I'm not interested." However, she goes a bit overboard when she suggests that women should start tirading (verbing words weirds the language) on the creep who hits on her.
Patrick
at September 15, 2013 1:38 AM
"It completely removes the agency of the woman, her ability to speak for herself and make her own decisions regarding when and where the conversation begins or ends."
Um... no.
It doesn't remove that ability at all. What the writer wants is for her word to be the law of the world, and it simply isn't.
The law is this: if what you're doing isn't working, do something else.
Leave the "shoulds" to ineffective whiners.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers
at September 15, 2013 12:42 PM
Gog, actually, I can't agree with you. I think it's a valid point. If you rebuff a creep with "I have a boyfriend," that's suggesting that a guy shouldn't hit on you out of respect for another man. How about "I'm not interested."
This way, also, she owns it, rather than hiding behind a boyfriend (who may or may not even exist, except in the form of a ready-made excuse).
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/linking-up.html#comment-3918564">comment from Patrick
"I have a boyfriend" means you're not available.
"I'm not interested" means the person isn't attractive to you.
The former is kinder.
Oh, and I read the silliness at the link.
It's not about "male privilege." What a bunch of crap.
Again, it's that suggesting that somebody might be an option for you if you weren't taken is kinder.
This kindness works best when somebody's in your life in passing.
If they are in your life, as in somebody you know, you probably have to tell them it's just not in the cards for the two of you.
Oh, and if you're a lesbian and tell another lesbian, "I have a girlfriend," this is because you are kind, not because "female privilege" blah blah blah.
Again, what a load of crap.
Also, how does anyone get through life by walking around being so offended?
It's hard enough to manage it all when you aren't all thin-skinned and looking for someone discriminating against you at every, oh, "Paper or plastic?"
It's not about being kind. If a guy expects kindness when he hits on someone, he needs to stop trying to hook up -- indeed, he needs to stop being a guy -- because rejection is part of the process of trying to hook up. If he can't handle that, then perhaps he needs to become a monk.
And there is nothing inherently rude about "not interested." Rude is "Fuck off, dickhead!" But why should a girl hide behind a boyfriend real or imagined, in order to communicate that he's not going to get anywhere?
And don't even try to compare this to gay guys, because "I have a boyfriend" is not usually a deterrent. "Not interested" works just fine.
Patrick
at September 15, 2013 10:07 PM
And Eric, I don't smoke any amount of weed per week.
No, but it is "hiding" to use the existence of a boyfriend (if he actually exists) when the simple fact of the matter is that you're not interested. Why tell someone, "Gosh, you'd have a chance, except that I already have a boyfriend," when the guy would have no chance even if you lived alone on a desert island for twenty years, subsisting on a diet of raw oysters, and he showed up stark naked on a life raft?
And why is it "unkind" to tell someone the truth?
"I'm not interested" isn't unkind. It isn't saying a single thing about the guy in question. It's saying only something about you.
Maybe, just maybe, if the guy gets a lot of "I'm not interested," he'll figure out that there's something wrong with his approach.
"I have a boyfriend" in rapid succession, however, tells him nothing other than he has a string of bad luck hitting on women who are already spoken for.
Frankly, it's far kinder to be honest. I have never rebuffed someone else's interest in my life by saying "I have a boyfriend," and I have no intention of starting. To me, it's cowardly.
Patrick
at September 15, 2013 11:38 PM
Well a coworker has been talking about and showing us pictures of an FWB that is a 6'2" blonde, hot, nuclear chemist that is interested in online video games.
We're now challenging him to invite her out to our neck of the woods to prove that she's real. :-p
It isn't "hiding" to be kind. If you can preserve somebody's feelings, it's best to do that.
I can see Patrick's point, Amy. If the guy is a fat slob, and women keep telling him they have boyfriends, he's less likely to see the disincentive to him remaining a fat slob. The same thing goes if he's thin and reedy and not lifting weights. Also, if he thinks working at Burger King is a legitimate career option (no doubt a no-no for most women).
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/linking-up.html#comment-3921002">comment from mpetrie98
It isn't "hiding" to be kind. If you can preserve somebody's feelings, it's best to do that.
I can see Patrick's point, Amy. If the guy is a fat slob, and women keep telling him they have boyfriends, he's less likely to see the disincentive to him remaining a fat slob.
Sorry, this is silly.
Taking this "logic" (of being "truthful" [tactless and mean] a step further, should they also tell him he's fat and ugly?
Also, people know that it is generally not considered attractive to be fat. They don't need a memo from every person they want to date.
Andrew Rannells performs "I Believe" from "The Book of Mormon," by South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone.
Elder Price (played by Rannells), is having reservations about his calling as a missionary to deliver the message of Mormonism to a dangerous warlord, but rather than walk away from his calling, reaffirms his beliefs as a Mormon.
Good voice, funny song, and Rannells couldn't look more like a Mormon missionary if he tried, but the way he licks his lips is kinda gross.
Patrick at September 15, 2013 1:22 AM
Good points, about why women should stop saying, "I have a boyfriend," and start saying, "I'm not interested." However, she goes a bit overboard when she suggests that women should start tirading (verbing words weirds the language) on the creep who hits on her.
Patrick at September 15, 2013 1:38 AM
"It completely removes the agency of the woman, her ability to speak for herself and make her own decisions regarding when and where the conversation begins or ends."
Um... no.
It doesn't remove that ability at all. What the writer wants is for her word to be the law of the world, and it simply isn't.
The law is this: if what you're doing isn't working, do something else.
Leave the "shoulds" to ineffective whiners.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at September 15, 2013 12:42 PM
Gog, actually, I can't agree with you. I think it's a valid point. If you rebuff a creep with "I have a boyfriend," that's suggesting that a guy shouldn't hit on you out of respect for another man. How about "I'm not interested."
This way, also, she owns it, rather than hiding behind a boyfriend (who may or may not even exist, except in the form of a ready-made excuse).
Patrick at September 15, 2013 3:58 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/linking-up.html#comment-3918564">comment from Patrick"I have a boyfriend" means you're not available.
"I'm not interested" means the person isn't attractive to you.
The former is kinder.
Oh, and I read the silliness at the link.
It's not about "male privilege." What a bunch of crap.
Again, it's that suggesting that somebody might be an option for you if you weren't taken is kinder.
This kindness works best when somebody's in your life in passing.
If they are in your life, as in somebody you know, you probably have to tell them it's just not in the cards for the two of you.
Oh, and if you're a lesbian and tell another lesbian, "I have a girlfriend," this is because you are kind, not because "female privilege" blah blah blah.
Again, what a load of crap.
Also, how does anyone get through life by walking around being so offended?
It's hard enough to manage it all when you aren't all thin-skinned and looking for someone discriminating against you at every, oh, "Paper or plastic?"
What is that, petroleum privilege?
Amy Alkon
at September 15, 2013 4:00 PM
You guys smoke way more week than I do.
PS- Amy, you're kinda scary now, and that's wayyyyyy beyond normal Amy scary.
PPS- Yes, you're right. Fuck me.
Eric at September 15, 2013 4:50 PM
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fuck, fuck fuck! Weed!
Eric at September 15, 2013 4:51 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/linking-up.html#comment-3918759">comment from EricEric, is that good scary or bad scary?
Amy Alkon
at September 15, 2013 7:35 PM
There's no good side in Syria: http://moonbattery.com/?p=36534
Robert W. at September 15, 2013 9:50 PM
It's not about being kind. If a guy expects kindness when he hits on someone, he needs to stop trying to hook up -- indeed, he needs to stop being a guy -- because rejection is part of the process of trying to hook up. If he can't handle that, then perhaps he needs to become a monk.
And there is nothing inherently rude about "not interested." Rude is "Fuck off, dickhead!" But why should a girl hide behind a boyfriend real or imagined, in order to communicate that he's not going to get anywhere?
And don't even try to compare this to gay guys, because "I have a boyfriend" is not usually a deterrent. "Not interested" works just fine.
Patrick at September 15, 2013 10:07 PM
And Eric, I don't smoke any amount of weed per week.
Or any other length of time for that matter.
Patrick at September 15, 2013 10:08 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/linking-up.html#comment-3918888">comment from PatrickIt isn't "hiding" to be kind. If you can preserve somebody's feelings, it's best to do that.
Amy Alkon
at September 15, 2013 10:40 PM
No, but it is "hiding" to use the existence of a boyfriend (if he actually exists) when the simple fact of the matter is that you're not interested. Why tell someone, "Gosh, you'd have a chance, except that I already have a boyfriend," when the guy would have no chance even if you lived alone on a desert island for twenty years, subsisting on a diet of raw oysters, and he showed up stark naked on a life raft?
And why is it "unkind" to tell someone the truth?
"I'm not interested" isn't unkind. It isn't saying a single thing about the guy in question. It's saying only something about you.
Maybe, just maybe, if the guy gets a lot of "I'm not interested," he'll figure out that there's something wrong with his approach.
"I have a boyfriend" in rapid succession, however, tells him nothing other than he has a string of bad luck hitting on women who are already spoken for.
Frankly, it's far kinder to be honest. I have never rebuffed someone else's interest in my life by saying "I have a boyfriend," and I have no intention of starting. To me, it's cowardly.
Patrick at September 15, 2013 11:38 PM
Well a coworker has been talking about and showing us pictures of an FWB that is a 6'2" blonde, hot, nuclear chemist that is interested in online video games.
We're now challenging him to invite her out to our neck of the woods to prove that she's real. :-p
Jim P. at September 16, 2013 6:57 PM
It isn't "hiding" to be kind. If you can preserve somebody's feelings, it's best to do that.
I can see Patrick's point, Amy. If the guy is a fat slob, and women keep telling him they have boyfriends, he's less likely to see the disincentive to him remaining a fat slob. The same thing goes if he's thin and reedy and not lifting weights. Also, if he thinks working at Burger King is a legitimate career option (no doubt a no-no for most women).
mpetrie98 at September 17, 2013 10:52 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/linking-up.html#comment-3921002">comment from mpetrie98It isn't "hiding" to be kind. If you can preserve somebody's feelings, it's best to do that.
I can see Patrick's point, Amy. If the guy is a fat slob, and women keep telling him they have boyfriends, he's less likely to see the disincentive to him remaining a fat slob.
Sorry, this is silly.
Taking this "logic" (of being "truthful" [tactless and mean] a step further, should they also tell him he's fat and ugly?
Also, people know that it is generally not considered attractive to be fat. They don't need a memo from every person they want to date.
Amy Alkon
at September 17, 2013 11:47 AM
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