Terrorists "Hated Us For Our Freedom" -- We Do The Job On It Ourselves
Who needs terrorists to decimate us?
Bob Barr writes at TownHall:
The prevailing wisdom from the September 11th terror attacks was that we were targets because the terrorists "hated us for our freedom." In the days and weeks following the attack, as we struggled to regain our footing, we made a collective vow as a nation to not permit our enemies to destroy the principles that made America the leader of the free world.Yet, in a dark irony, in the decade since the 9/11 attacks, U.S. citizens have witnessed one of the greatest assaults on the Constitution and American freedom since the founding of our nation. These attacks came not from al-Qaeda or some other foreign enemy, but from our own government. We forgot that enemies of freedom are not always abroad.
Revelations of unprecedented abuses of power have rocked the Obama Administration; springing not only from the usual suspects - the IRS, the TSA and the NSA - but from other agencies normally viewed as more benign bureaucracies, such as Health and Human Services and the Securities and Exchange Commission. And it is not only the Fourth Amendment that has been undercut deeply by these abuses of power; but other, less-known but equally important constitutional provisions, such as the right to contract and to petition the government. The list is indeed long.
Yet it is perhaps the revelations about the National Security Agency's massive domestic surveillance program that are and should be most troubling to us all; for they touch us all, and in ways we scarcely can imagine - or which George Orwell in his worst nightmare could hardly have dreamed.
Many citizens suspected such privacy abuses were occurring even before Edward Snowden's recent revelations. However, the extent and brazenness of NSA's actions as revealed by Snowden, is breathtaking. For example, not only do we now know the NSA has been routinely eavesdropping on untold billions of electronic communications by average, law-abiding citizens; but that the super-secret agency has undermined lawful efforts by concerned citizens to protect their communications by employing encryption.
For years, privacy advocates including myself have argued we are swiftly approaching a pivotal moment in American history - the point at which the rule of law breaks down and the very concept of "civil liberties" -- not just the rights themselves - becomes meaningless.
Sigh...of course I had to date my posts wrong today. It's September 11, 2013, as I'm posting this. Can't re-date everything now -- will screw up the links.
A quote from Marc J. Randazza:
"We surrendered everything we once stood for out of fear and stupidity."
And my thoughts:
I think Americans have become weak due to the amazing physical comforts we have. I'm all for those physical comforts, but not for getting so uncomfortable with any sort of discomfort that we aren't willing to make a peep or take any sort of action to preserve our rights. People should read the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They are absolutely incredible and incredibly beautiful documents that made this country, for quite some time, a place with rights and freedoms not found anywhere else. It is absolutely astonishing to me that people just stand by with their thumbs up their ass as the Constitution is crumpled up in various arenas of our lives.








It's an easy cop-out, pure propaganda, to say they hated us for our freedoms. They hate us still for our foreign policy towards them, decades of propping up brutal dictators, stealing their natural resources, and using their lands for our military bases.
Eric at September 11, 2013 8:14 AM
Then again, many of the ones who came over to the Western countries to enjoy our freedoms still hate us...
Eric at September 11, 2013 8:17 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/terrorists-hate.html#comment-3905917">comment from EricIt's an easy cop-out, pure propaganda, to say they hated us for our freedoms. They hate us still for our foreign policy towards them, decades of propping up brutal dictators, stealing their natural resources, and using their lands for our military bases.
Actually, I should have added to this post.
Since 9/11, I have been reading about Islam. This mass murder was commanded by Islam. As Jesus was all "Feed the poor! Turn the other cheek!" Mohammed was a tribal, warring sociopath who raped, murdered, looted and committed other heinous acts. The Quran commands Muslims to convert or slaughter the infidel, and the later passages calling for that "abrogate" the earlier ones that are more "let's all be nice to each other."
This is a crime created by Islam, make no mistake.
Amy Alkon
at September 11, 2013 8:31 AM
"They hate us still for our foreign policy towards them, decades of propping up brutal dictators, stealing their natural resources, and using their lands for our military bases."
Those things are just rationalizations. They've hated us for much longer than that. In fact, they've hated us pretty much for as long as we've existed, going back to the Barbary pirates. Their culture simply does not book with the existence of anyone different from themselves.
Cousin Dave at September 11, 2013 9:00 AM
They hate us still for our foreign policy towards them, decades of propping up brutal dictators, stealing their natural resources, and using their lands for our military bases.
That's just load of bovine scatology.
They hate us because we're not muslims - we're corrupt, godless infidels to them. Everything else is either just an excuse, or icing on the cake.
I R A Darth Aggie at September 11, 2013 9:03 AM
Worth brushing up on...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_for_the_September_11_attacks
Eric at September 11, 2013 9:51 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/terrorists-hate.html#comment-3906119">comment from EricThe motives are writ large in the Quran. Sura 9:5, for example. And modern Muslims who murder for religion are just following the dictates of their religion. From that Wiki link:
Amy Alkon
at September 11, 2013 10:04 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/terrorists-hate.html#comment-3906121">comment from Amy AlkonExample:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/020-stealing.htm
Amy Alkon
at September 11, 2013 10:04 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/terrorists-hate.html#comment-3906124">comment from Amy AlkonMore from that link:
Amy Alkon
at September 11, 2013 10:05 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/terrorists-hate.html#comment-3906128">comment from Amy AlkonAnother, same link:
Amy Alkon
at September 11, 2013 10:06 AM
When did we "steal" their natural resources? If anything, they're stealing from us. The price we pay on oil is exorbitant.
Please don't misunderstand. I'm not discounting all your reasons. It's certainly better than this idealistic poppycock that they hate us for our freedoms. Canada is a free country. You don't see them seething in resentment at Canadians and flying planes into buildings in Toronto.
Our willingness to protect Israel is a good reason. Guilty as charged. We will continue to do so. Suck it up.
Patrick at September 11, 2013 3:35 PM
Patrick- (first of all,thanks for coming in today.) I can't find the exact link I want, but this one will do. (I'm Rip Torn) Actually,it has nothing to do with this debate, but it's still a great scene. Don't worry about it. I was looking for the moment when Rip Torn walked into the office and said "Thanks for coming in today.", but couldn't find it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQmJl1CQx2o).
We had our collective oil companies develop the fields, extract the oil, supply the securiy, funnle the money and make windfall profits while concentrating the wealth in a few families accounts and oppressing the general population. Now the Arab folks are pissed off- imagine how us 'mericuns would feel.
>> When did we "steal" their natural resources? If anything, they're stealing from us. The price we pay on oil is exorbitant.
But it is the price the market will bear, willingly, unless we have to kill a bunch of them. If we could pull it out the ground at half that price we wold see a thousand or more entrepenuers.
Sorry- off to bed. Been a rough 9/11.
Eric at September 11, 2013 8:31 PM
I was too pissed to post this yesterday.
But happy 9/11 day. I'd like to thank all the frightened children out there who sacrificed our civil rights on the alter of fake security. What do you f*cking cowards want to give this year in remembrance of heroes?
lujlp at September 12, 2013 3:59 AM
When we refuse to drill for our own oil and gas, because something bad might happen here, we have no right to complain when our mortal enemies use the profits they earn from us to try to destroy us.
Look for disapproval of that Keystone pipeline right after the 2014 midterm election.
MarkD at September 12, 2013 7:17 AM
"You don't see them seething in resentment at Canadians and flying planes into buildings in Toronto. "
Actually, I've spent time in Toronto and seen them around and I can assure you that they hate Canada every bit as much as they hate the U.S. Some Canadians like to delude themselves on this, but I call it like I've seen it.
Cousin Dave at September 12, 2013 7:58 AM
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