I have been complaining about this for YEARS!!! Also get upset that I cannot get raw milk because it is a "crime" seriously? Rape, murder, and theft are crimes not selling dairy products

Well you see Lrj an other wise fairly rational person named Radwaste has this bizarre notion that the purveyor of unregulated food can not be fined, charged criminally, or jailed should their product kill the people who willingly buy them, so he supports the fining, charging and jailing of such people for not killing their customers as some sort of preventative measure

It's disgusting, Lrj. There was a raw food coop in Venice, Rawsome -- met the guy behind it when I was opening a new account at a new bank. Sweetheart of a guy, and I'd always meant to go there, but the cops shut it down before I could.

Yes, just streets away, people are selling meth (which actually, I think is your business, not mine, if you buy), and they're going in heavy after the hippies selling unpasteurized cheese to people who come there from far away to buy it.

One of the first things that really struck me when I moved from the States to Belgium in 2007 was the taste of dairy products. SO much more flavorful here than there!

My husband and I have found places an hour away from where we live where we can get REAL dairy. Our plan in the future is just to get some land and have the cows and goats ourselves. Amy you might be interested in what our local law enforcement did here in Arlington, Tx a couple weeks back against some hippies growing organic veggies. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/15/texas-swat-team-conducts-_n_3764951.html

I'd sooner choke on my own vomit than defend Radwaste, and lujlp is not worth the bandwidth it takes to reply to him.

But Radwaste can speak for himself, and given lujlp's willingness to outright lie about what people actually believe, his comments about what Radwaste's (or anyone else's) opinions are not to be trusted.

So why don't you just make it? I am sure getting the particular rennet for it would not be a problem and all the gadgets required to make it at home would very much be available.

Maybe they just did not want any outbreak of any diseases by having this product sold, so they just stopped it. If you want it badly, probably you can make it or get it from someone who is damn sure that you will not sue them if you fall sick because of it. Given the ways people can be sued in america, I would be surprised if any of the established companies would sell it even if it was allowed in USA and in order to provide a level playing field and to make sure that small operators who might just disappear if one batch turns faulty do not operate, the product might have just been banned

I'd sooner choke on my own vomit than defend Radwaste,

And yet you didnt

and lujlp is not worth the bandwidth it takes to reply to him.

And yet you are

But Radwaste can speak for himself,

then let him

and given lujlp's willingness to outright lie about what people actually believe,

and yet, you can not provide any examples

his comments about what Radwaste's (or anyone else's) opinions are not to be trusted.

I agree completely. Trust is something earned thru actions over time. Words on a message board are just words not actions. Dont beleive me look up Rads own words on the subject.

And while your at it Lrj look up Patricks history as well and form your own conclusion.

And as a side note, PArtrick. For a guy who vowed never to read or respond to a word I write, you do seem to spend an inordinate amount of time responding to what I write

luj, stuff it. I dunno why you're mad. Is it because you looked the other way when that place you worked gamed the inspectors?

Anyway. You took something away from my position that I didn't intend, so I will clarify.

The overriding principle of actual safety programs is prevention.

No one injured or killed by food poisoning is made whole again by pretending that money solves everything. Remember the pet food scandal, where a Chinese firm added a toxic chemical to fool inspectors? That incident did three things for me - I don't know if you learned anything...

The first is that there are ways around inspections. This does not invalidate their utility. The second is that even the execution of the company president didn't bring anybody's dog back. The third is an old one: the consumer cannot detect many of the threats to their health.

There is another feature of inspection that those who are not involved do not realize: instruction. If you are not familiar with the proper storage methods for meats, you'll hurt somebody, so the USDA at least has material for you so you can get repeat business. That HAZMAT guidebook I linked to has instructions for people who have never, ever seen the material at the crash site.

Ever notice that handwashing sign in the bathroom at McDonald's? It doesn't force anyone to wash those hands - but do you want Shelley behind the counter to scratch herself and just return to assembling your sandwich?

Don't pretend that everyone does the right thing. That would be ignorant of you.

you forgot to read the other option which I mentioned: get it from someone who knows that you will not sue them

I'm not mad, I just pounce on any stupidity I perceive, and in this case took the time to agitate you because the last time we had this conversation you didnt answer a question I put to you.

Your posts suggested that you supported the government crack down on sellers of uninspected foods, even when inspection was impossible as the goods in question are illegal by their very nature, not for lack of inspection, even when purchasers know they are uninspected and choose to purchase them anyway.

Your posts also suggested that you supported such punishment as it would be difficult to impose such punishment AFTER the even of serious injury or death.

The problem with these cases is the government REFUSES to inspect, and then punishes the seller for failing to get inspected. Nice catch 22.

I have no problem with guidelines and some inspection process, but the line or reasoning I was perciving from you comments that day seemed odd, and you did not clarify when asked for more details.

As a side note, see how a mature rational person handles such things Patrick?

I wouldnt have even cared if Rad had told me to fuck off and die, I was fully aware I was being a condesending prick, but he used his words like a big boy and clarified his position
Which made no sense as far as I could tell

"I'd sooner choke on my own vomit than defend Radwaste..."

And I am proud of this distinction: I will defend Patrick against an unjust accusation, despite the fact that I am only impressed with him when he insists that it is the fault of others that they do not read what he intended. All else follows.

There is another distinction, one that all other readers can see, but I suspect Patrick cannot.