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Notwithstanding the excellent points made about this not being a grammatical issue, off is not even "wrong" in any aspect. It may not be a word you would use in an elevated register, but it is certainly used to express a nuance in slang that from doesn't handle or for which it seems too formal or "correct" a statement.
Simply put, off is often used with take (or get or any verb of acquisition) to suggest a forceful or cavalier (and probably illegitimate or even illegal) removal of an item from someone else, who has probably been victimized in the process.
My grandfather took this knife off a German soldier he killed in WWII.
The pickpocket got the Rolex off some dumb out-of-towner in Times Square.
Where did I get the candy bar? I took it off Alice during recess.
Especially in the latter two examples, the use of from would seem too formal and would probably at least give the impression that the transaction might have been in some sense legitimate.
More disappointed now! Is Robusto your editor? All this time I thought you were a writer with a blog, not a blogger with books. Seriously, it makes you sound colloquial.
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/03/some-supermodel.html#comment-4416639">comment from Lisa
Um, sounding colloquial rather than stuffy was exactly my intention, so thanks!
I'm a nationally syndicated columnist and author, and I have a copyeditor I'm grateful for, David Yontz, the managing editor of Creators Syndicate. He copyedits my weekly syndicated column and he copyedited my upcoming book, "Good Manners For Nice People Who Sometimes Say F*ck," after I begged the publisher to hire him.
What I love about Dave, though he is so sensitive about bad grammar that he was deeply disturbed by AP's decision to accept "over" for "more than," is that he is not a grammar fundamentalist. We have weekly discussions, as we go through his edits on my column, as to whether or not it makes sense for me to break a particular rule.
What guides me in wanting to do something "wrong" is whether a particular phrasing serves rhythm, humor, and meaning. Whether having it right makes something sounds stuffy when I'm not trying for that.
Grammar fundamentalism like you've expressed is anti-thought. Recently, I had a grammar fundamentalist go through a piece I'd written and sand off all the fun I put into it, denuding my writing of expressiveness and humor. It made it something that lacked all color. Luckily, I was able to fight for having it in my voice and spent a day putting it back that way.
I have plenty to learn about grammar and make plenty of mistakes. But I also have a love of language and an ear for how people talk. Reading Elmore, who was a master of that, is a treat, and I likewise try to give people a treat with my writing instead of clinging like a rat on driftwood to Strunk and White.
Was Samuel Clemens too "colloquial" when he wrote about Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn?
Back on topic; yes, Amy, your pooch (or is that too much of a slang term for a dog?) looks quite adorable in that home-made sweater.
And $10 is quite the steal for that; especially when you consider the federal minimum wage, cost of materials, and time involved in making it. I wouldn't have made and sold it for less than $40.
Charles
at March 22, 2014 10:55 AM
" . . . clinging like a rat on driftwood to Strunk and White."
Yep, your love of language shows and that's why I read your writing!
Regarding the word "off". Me thinks somebody needs to get-off. Maybe then she can relax a little. Looking at you, Lisa.
Aida looks awesome Amy.
I am not Tim
at March 22, 2014 12:47 PM
Huck Finn remains my favorite novel of all time. It was called the greatest American novel by Melville. At the time people found it incredibly offensive -no not because of the n word. But because it was written in the manner that a person would speak and think and act. My favorite part is when some old biddy is reading the Bible to Huck and he is fascinated until he finds out that the people in the story are dead and "he takes no stock in dead people."
I love love Elmore's writing too. Don't get me wrong I'm a Bronte Jane Austen kinda gal too.
I think this is why I like Amy's columns so much. I've been reading them since I was a teen and have laughed out loud more than once.
Ppen
at March 22, 2014 12:58 PM
I think that "off" is just fine. You have a style, and you rock it.
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/03/some-supermodel.html#comment-4417544">comment from David Yontz
Thank you, Dave! And PS When I tweeted him the link, I said to go ahead and disagree with me. He always tells me when something I think I should shrug off is something I should keep -- and then explains why (and I hope I can retain his explanation for more than five minutes).
Listen to his podcasts -- they're great. Funny and really interesting -- about the logic of words. For a while, I was only leaving the house to hear them. (Somehow, I need to listen to podcasts and audiobooks while on the move.)
P.S. It's because of Dave's podcasts that I stopped saying "Me, too." (He pointed out that you're saying, for example, "Me go to the store, too.")
Thomas Jefferson(?): "I have nothing but contempt for anyone who can spell a word only one way."
I'd give you a pass for "Me, too" which is short for "(What you said) is true for me, too"; although to be pedantic the speaker means also, not too. But "M, T" rolls off (sorry, "from") the tongue.
Some time ago I was volunteering at a several-Saturdays "Academy" where we would read, do math, and do simple science experiments with inner-city elementary school kids. I found myself cringing at the Ebonics and after some reflection decided I should get over it. If I'm visiting someone, I'll use my English; if I find myself in a different community, I'll try to use theirs.
I was wondering if Lisa was marking tests while reading the blog and got confused ;-)
crella
at March 24, 2014 9:32 AM
I just hope each of us has a "switch" we can flick when we are engaging in topics that require precision.
One becomes horribly inept when discussing legal matters, or the physical sciences while trying to use colloquial meanings.
Disappointed in the use of the word "off" in this sentence.
Lisa at March 22, 2014 6:50 AM
Oh, come on. It's a blog post, written in colloquial language.
Elmore Leonard: "If proper usage gets in the way, it may have to go."
"From eBay" is stuffier.
You might some Elmore Leonard in hopes of curing your stuffybutt approach to word use. Swag is my favorite, but I just reread and loved 52 Pickup.
And PS, here's an opinion that you're wrong:
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/103336/take-it-off-him-meaning-take-it-from-him-is-incorrect-but-what-is-the-gram
Amy Alkon at March 22, 2014 8:03 AM
Oh and regarding the "legitimate" remark above, $10 for this little handmade dress was a steal.
Amy Alkon at March 22, 2014 8:18 AM
More disappointed now! Is Robusto your editor? All this time I thought you were a writer with a blog, not a blogger with books. Seriously, it makes you sound colloquial.
Lisa at March 22, 2014 9:57 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/03/some-supermodel.html#comment-4416639">comment from LisaUm, sounding colloquial rather than stuffy was exactly my intention, so thanks!
I'm a nationally syndicated columnist and author, and I have a copyeditor I'm grateful for, David Yontz, the managing editor of Creators Syndicate. He copyedits my weekly syndicated column and he copyedited my upcoming book, "Good Manners For Nice People Who Sometimes Say F*ck," after I begged the publisher to hire him.
You can hear his grammar podcasts here.
http://www.alphabroadcast.com/shows/view/stop-grammar-time.html
What I love about Dave, though he is so sensitive about bad grammar that he was deeply disturbed by AP's decision to accept "over" for "more than," is that he is not a grammar fundamentalist. We have weekly discussions, as we go through his edits on my column, as to whether or not it makes sense for me to break a particular rule.
What guides me in wanting to do something "wrong" is whether a particular phrasing serves rhythm, humor, and meaning. Whether having it right makes something sounds stuffy when I'm not trying for that.
Grammar fundamentalism like you've expressed is anti-thought. Recently, I had a grammar fundamentalist go through a piece I'd written and sand off all the fun I put into it, denuding my writing of expressiveness and humor. It made it something that lacked all color. Luckily, I was able to fight for having it in my voice and spent a day putting it back that way.
I have plenty to learn about grammar and make plenty of mistakes. But I also have a love of language and an ear for how people talk. Reading Elmore, who was a master of that, is a treat, and I likewise try to give people a treat with my writing instead of clinging like a rat on driftwood to Strunk and White.
Amy Alkon
at March 22, 2014 10:44 AM
"Seriously, it makes you sound colloquial."
And just what's wrong with sounding colloquial?
Was Samuel Clemens too "colloquial" when he wrote about Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn?
Back on topic; yes, Amy, your pooch (or is that too much of a slang term for a dog?) looks quite adorable in that home-made sweater.
And $10 is quite the steal for that; especially when you consider the federal minimum wage, cost of materials, and time involved in making it. I wouldn't have made and sold it for less than $40.
Charles at March 22, 2014 10:55 AM
" . . . clinging like a rat on driftwood to Strunk and White."
Yep, your love of language shows and that's why I read your writing!
Charles at March 22, 2014 10:58 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/03/some-supermodel.html#comment-4416849">comment from CharlesThank you so much, Charles. And great point about Twain.
Amy Alkon
at March 22, 2014 11:31 AM
Regarding the word "off". Me thinks somebody needs to get-off. Maybe then she can relax a little. Looking at you, Lisa.
Aida looks awesome Amy.
I am not Tim at March 22, 2014 12:47 PM
Huck Finn remains my favorite novel of all time. It was called the greatest American novel by Melville. At the time people found it incredibly offensive -no not because of the n word. But because it was written in the manner that a person would speak and think and act. My favorite part is when some old biddy is reading the Bible to Huck and he is fascinated until he finds out that the people in the story are dead and "he takes no stock in dead people."
I love love Elmore's writing too. Don't get me wrong I'm a Bronte Jane Austen kinda gal too.
I think this is why I like Amy's columns so much. I've been reading them since I was a teen and have laughed out loud more than once.
Ppen at March 22, 2014 12:58 PM
I think that "off" is just fine. You have a style, and you rock it.
David Yontz at March 22, 2014 2:05 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/03/some-supermodel.html#comment-4417544">comment from David YontzThank you, Dave! And PS When I tweeted him the link, I said to go ahead and disagree with me. He always tells me when something I think I should shrug off is something I should keep -- and then explains why (and I hope I can retain his explanation for more than five minutes).
Listen to his podcasts -- they're great. Funny and really interesting -- about the logic of words. For a while, I was only leaving the house to hear them. (Somehow, I need to listen to podcasts and audiobooks while on the move.)
P.S. It's because of Dave's podcasts that I stopped saying "Me, too." (He pointed out that you're saying, for example, "Me go to the store, too.")
Yes, always more to learn!
Amy Alkon
at March 22, 2014 2:22 PM
Thomas Jefferson(?): "I have nothing but contempt for anyone who can spell a word only one way."
I'd give you a pass for "Me, too" which is short for "(What you said) is true for me, too"; although to be pedantic the speaker means also, not too. But "M, T" rolls off (sorry, "from") the tongue.
Some time ago I was volunteering at a several-Saturdays "Academy" where we would read, do math, and do simple science experiments with inner-city elementary school kids. I found myself cringing at the Ebonics and after some reflection decided I should get over it. If I'm visiting someone, I'll use my English; if I find myself in a different community, I'll try to use theirs.
Yes, I'm a white-collar American male.
DaveG at March 22, 2014 4:01 PM
Hi! Has someone made time to ridicule Lisa?
OK then.
Carry on.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at March 23, 2014 12:11 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/03/some-supermodel.html#comment-4421311">comment from Crid [CridComment at Gmail]Even Dave dropped by, Cridster!
Amy Alkon
at March 23, 2014 1:27 PM
I was wondering if Lisa was marking tests while reading the blog and got confused ;-)
crella at March 24, 2014 9:32 AM
I just hope each of us has a "switch" we can flick when we are engaging in topics that require precision.
One becomes horribly inept when discussing legal matters, or the physical sciences while trying to use colloquial meanings.
Radwaste at March 24, 2014 5:55 PM
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