They're Girl Scout "Cookies," Not Girl Scout "Dinner"
Eliza Barclay writes at NPR.org about people trying to get the Girl Scouts to stop selling Girl Scout cookies, on account of their containing meth. Oh, sorry...sugar and other ingredients that aren't exactly broccoli.
It's a pretty bold move to blast Girl Scout cookies, those precious sugary treats whose limited run from late winter to early spring is just about over for the year.But a few brave voices argue it's no longer all that delightful to see little girls peddling packaged cookies, or to buy them in the name of supporting the community. (And no, this is not an April Fools' joke.)
To some doctors and parents, the tradition increasingly feels out of step with the uncomfortable public health realities of our day.
"The problem is that selling high-fat sugar-laden cookies to an increasingly calorie-addicted populace is no longer congruent with [the Girl Scouts' aim to make the world a better place]." That's what John Mandrola, a heart doctor in Louisville, Ky., wrote on his blog in March. (He also blogs for Medscape/Cardiology.)
The sentiment was echoed by Diane Hartman, a writer and editor in Denver, who penned an indignant op-ed in the Denver Post, "Why are we letting Girl Scouts sell these fattening cookies?"
"They have some trans fat, some palm oil and are high carb ... all those things you've probably been trying to avoid," writes Hartman. As Allison Aubrey just reported, it's the refined carbs in our diets doctors say we really should be cutting.
Guess what: My mom restricted us from having sugar as kids and, as I've joked to Gregg, if an m&m had fallen in raw sewage I would have dived in after it. I was a sugar binger for years thanks to having it so restricted as a kid.
And I've cut out flour and almost all sugar. Once a week, I eat a tiny French chocolate bar. And last night, after the art show, Gregg took me to dinner and I ordered a scoop of dark chocolate gelato. If I didn't do this, I'd feel deprived, which is what kids will feel if they only get those particle-board "cookies" they sell at Whole Foods. Which is what I think leads people to binge -- along with never feeling satiated because they never get enough fat in their diet.
via @WalterOlson








If these obsessive, puritanical cranks interfere with my supply of Thin Mints, there will be hell to pay.
Fortunately, I suspect that the Girl Scout organization is aware that selling dried kale won't come close to providing the fundraising dollars it needs. The Girl Scouts have the rare distinction of having the only children's fundraising scheme that their parents' friends and colleagues welcome instead of dread -- they'd be fools to muck with that.
marion at April 5, 2014 12:16 AM
My mom was a fantastic cook. You can not believe how good her cooking was. I mean people that hated real food (drive thru addicts) loved her food.
I was always skinny and was never restricted anything. But my mom taught me to eat. If she baked something (pretty rare) it was dah real shit. We tend to flavor baked goods here in the States with sugar. Or because I live in California they taste like dried cardboard because it is more organic/vegan/healthier/earth friendly.
But the problem boils down to Americans don't know how to eat.
But if you are a parent and try to stop me from having my thin mint chocolate Girl Scout cookies I will motherfucking stab you in the throat.
Ppen at April 5, 2014 12:21 AM
Marion I see you love the thin mints too!
My elderly neighbor gets boxes of them for free. You better believe I tell her ass to save them all for me.
Ppen at April 5, 2014 12:24 AM
Actually, Whole Foods has some EXCELLENT cookies, but I digress (they do also have some particle board ones).
If I were going to revamp Girl Scout cookies, I'd change it so they baked their own cookies. Sometimes I fantasize about my kid doing Spiral Scouts or something (in this fantasy we're living in the States) and inventing cool recipes and selling them door-to-door. I think it would be much cooler.
NicoleK at April 5, 2014 12:51 AM
These are magnificent.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at April 5, 2014 2:24 AM
From the quoted article: "But a few brave voices argue it's no longer all that delightful to see little girls peddling packaged cookies, or to buy them in the name of supporting the community."
Brave? Brave voices are announcing that cookies aren't good for you? Gee, without them, we never would have known. I'm sure they simply can't understand why, even with their freely-shared wisdom, we delight in GS cookies anyway.
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com) at April 5, 2014 2:58 AM
The only thing I find objectionable about the GS cookies is that they are a full-up product. Palm oil and every other cheap, industrial ingredient that can be used to reduce cost.
If I'm going to pay a premium price for those thin mints (yum), to support an organization that is still mostly on the good side of things...well, it seems to me that they could make the minor effort of using quality ingredients, instead of crap.
Of course, that's not the point of the story. The point of the story are a bunch of progressive weenies looking to impose their ideas on other people. As usual...
a_random_guy at April 5, 2014 3:58 AM
I agree with a random guy. I don't have the ingredient list in front of me, but assuming it's the same as most store bought low priced mass produced cookies, it's not the sugar that is the worst thing, it's the 2 or 3 or more potential carcinogens or otherwise dangerous additives they put in there to extend shelf life, add color, etc. It's scary what's in our highly processed foods.
By the way, I would eat my shoe if you coated it with yummy delicious chocolate.
MMmmmm... chocolaaaate shoooooe... :P
Tim at April 5, 2014 5:08 AM
As others have said here: Get your f&cking hands off MY thin mints!
Busybodies are forewarned!
Charles at April 5, 2014 6:36 AM
Eating the occasional thing with palm oil in it won't kill you. People who go to restaurants that are not pricey eat all sorts of terrible things in their food, especially canola oil. To go psycho about Girl Scout cookies is pretty ridiculous, considering.
Amy Alkon at April 5, 2014 7:00 AM
My issue with Girl Scout Cookies are that they're hideously overpriced, and more than tired of the "roadblock tables" at grocery stores and Walmarts. or the haranguing of co-workers by their parents to sell cookies.
Back in Ye Goode Olde Dayes, Girl Scouts actually went out and sold the cookies, door-to-door. . . .
Keith Glass at April 5, 2014 7:29 AM
I scored on the GS cookies back in late January. One of the attorneys in the office has a daughter in GS. They've changed the program, so the kids no longer take orders, and get their allotment of cookies based on the orders. Now they are given a set number of cases, that have to be purchased up front that the kids then sell. This particular attorney had no desire to lug around several cases of cookies so she brought them into the office, sent out a mass email selling the cookies for $1 a box. She had the whole lot gone in about 15 minutes. I still have a couple boxes of Thin Mints in my freezer.
sara at April 5, 2014 7:59 AM
I agree with all the comments about Thin Mints. Especially right out of the freezer (no, they don't last that long, I just think they are excellent cold and I'm not about to wait for the fridge to do the job).
I also agree with Amy about the restriction. I was always jealous of the friends who would get a bag of chips in their lunch sometimes. I think my dad has that issue too because while there was never ANY snack food in the house when I was little, he would occasionally buy something like four packages of cookies and a gallon of ice cream (and they lasted maybe a day).
Too much restriction is a problem, and those of us who had it can have a serious difficulty knowing where moderation actually IS.
Amy, I thought canola oil was one of the better ones. Did I miss something?
Shannon M. Howell at April 5, 2014 8:00 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/04/theyre-girl-sco.html#comment-4458797">comment from Shannon M. HowellHave to write for a while, but I'll search up a few bits on canola oil:
http://gratefultable.com/heat-bad-for-pufas-how-to-cook-healthy-oils/
Amy Alkon
at April 5, 2014 9:29 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/04/theyre-girl-sco.html#comment-4458802">comment from Amy AlkonGood post on this by Mike Eades - which I am not recommending because he happens to recommend my book at the bottom, which was very nice of him!
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/lipids/dining-out-and-bad-fats/
Amy Alkon
at April 5, 2014 9:31 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/04/theyre-girl-sco.html#comment-4458807">comment from Amy Alkonhttp://eatlocalgrown.com/article/12863-the-worst-nutrition-advice-in-history-here-s-top-5-contenders.html
Amy Alkon
at April 5, 2014 9:34 AM
Amy,
Thanks for the references!
Shannon M. Howell at April 5, 2014 11:21 AM
Oh wow! thanks folks, I am so going to try that "freezer thin mints" idea. That sounds just yummy!
Now, let me go hunt down a girl scout . . .
Charles at April 5, 2014 11:29 AM
"The problem is that selling high-fat sugar-laden cookies to an increasingly calorie-addicted populace is no longer congruent with [the Girl Scouts' aim to make the world a better place]." That's what John Mandrola, a heart doctor in Louisville, Ky., wrote on his blog in March. (He also blogs for Medscape/Cardiology.)
The sentiment was echoed by Diane Hartman, a writer and editor in Denver, who penned an indignant op-ed in the Denver Post, "Why are we letting Girl Scouts sell these fattening cookies?"
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU!
mpetrie98 at April 5, 2014 12:00 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/04/theyre-girl-sco.html#comment-4459047">comment from Shannon M. HowellShannon, you're welcome, and by the way, I always appreciate your effort to be open-minded.
Amy Alkon
at April 5, 2014 12:14 PM
Keeblers has lovely copycats of a few GS cookies, Grasshoppers for Thin Mints and Coconut Dreams for the Samoas. They're actually tastier (IMHO), and you get more cookies per package. Not that I'm eating cookies anymore, dammit.
Back in the day, I would run thin mints through my Cuisinart and use them to make a cheesecake crust for Chocolate cheesecake.
Juliana at April 5, 2014 12:23 PM
I still get a chuckle from the girl scouts who set up their cookie displays in front of the Marijuana dispensaries. That was both brilliant and hilarious. It's happened in 2 different states that I know of - though the official word from the Girl Scouts is they do not allow such activity.
I agree the oil used is nothing to freak out over, rather just something to limit and control.
Tim at April 5, 2014 12:49 PM
The Girl Scouts, the Hell's Angels and I share the same birthday. This year I was unable to get my annual thin mint fix and it brought out my HA side.
My aunt used to freeze them for my cousin's b-day on July, so we would get them twice a year. Moderation is the key.
bmused at April 5, 2014 12:49 PM
I very rarely eat anything with sugar, but if someone fucks with my thin mints I'll cut them.
Daghain at April 5, 2014 12:51 PM
The mint flavor in the cookies comes from Peppermint Oil. I had to go look up the nutrition data.
Interesting fact -- Medicinal use. via Wikipedia.
In 2007, Italian investigators reported that 75% of the patients in their study who took peppermint oil capsules for four weeks had a major reduction in irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) symptoms, compared with just 38% of those who took a placebo. [26] A second study in 2010, conducted in Iran, found similar results. [27] 2011 research showed that peppermint acts through a specific anti-pain channel called TRPM8 to reduce pain sensing fibres. The authors feel that this study provides information that is potentially the first step in determining a new type of mainstream clinical treatment for Irritable Bowel Syndrome.
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So, one could actually make the argument that Thin Mint cookies are potentially good for you.
Oh sure, people may laugh and point, but you could indeed make that argument.
You're welcome Thin Mint lovers. :)
Tim at April 5, 2014 1:07 PM
Of course. Why should any American be responsible for his own lack of willpower?
Sosij at April 5, 2014 1:28 PM
If I were going to revamp Girl Scout cookies, I'd change it so they baked their own cookies. Sometimes I fantasize about my kid doing Spiral Scouts or something (in this fantasy we're living in the States) and inventing cool recipes and selling them door-to-door. I think it would be much cooler.
And when little Timmy has an allergic reaction who do you think his parents are going to sue?
lujlp at April 5, 2014 2:03 PM
Why does it have to be little Timmy? lol ;)
Also, notice how often you see the word "little" in front of the name. Because it's friggen impossible to be a grown man and have somebody call you Timmy without sounding wrong. Unless you live out in the country; the hills of Tennessee for instance, and it's your close country-friends and country-family calling you that. That's the only exception. In the same Tennessee hills, "Timbo" is also acceptable.
Tim at April 5, 2014 2:42 PM
I have been on a PGA and I'll be blunt, non-shitty food doesn't sell. I don't just mean healthy food, but besides the extremely high priced wrapping paper, no other fundraiser tops cookie, cake, and chocolate. My problem is where the heck is all the money going? The people that I know with kids in Girl Scouts pay for EVERYTHING, so what are they selling for?
NikkiG at April 5, 2014 7:36 PM
Am I the only Tagalong nut in the room? Here here for the frickin amazing peanut butter fudge covered confection!!
gooseegg at April 5, 2014 8:39 PM
by the way, Wal-Mart's Great Value brand has also knocked off all the Girl Scout cookies, and let me tell you they are fabulous and super cheap. And did I say fabulous?
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Fudge-Mint-Cookies-10-oz/11997740
gooseegg at April 5, 2014 8:44 PM
I'll buy Girl Scout cookies when they're made. . .
Rex Little at April 5, 2014 10:02 PM
I generally don't care for them myself, though the tagalong were not too bad.
What I hate is that often times I have essentially had to buy them. One place in particular where I worked if you didn't buy some it was the same as if you had blown of someone's project. I don't mean officially....but yeah, to keep good relations with your co-workers you were buying a few boxes.
The Former Banker at April 5, 2014 11:23 PM
Lujiip, people still have bake sales. It would be the same thing.
NicoleK at April 6, 2014 2:14 AM
Rex, I'm with you. lol, good stuff. Forgot all about that scene.
Tim at April 6, 2014 5:12 AM
1: They can take my thin mints out of my cold dead corpse.
2: Mmm, girl scout cookies, made with fresh ground girl scouts!
I am such an ass...
NakkiNyan at April 6, 2014 9:18 AM
As for the bake sales:
GSA avoids that stuff since all it takes is 1 person getting sick and blaming the GSA for selling tainted food whether it was their cookie or not that made them sick.
That does not stop individual troops from doing it, just not GSA as a whole.
NakkiNyan at April 6, 2014 9:37 AM
Here are a few dieting tips I've heard of that can be very helpful:
"Stop worrying about all the junk food you're eating and worry about all the vegetables you're NOT eating." (Good for beginners - those who are just trying to find a way to make junk food less tempting in general. Focusing the right way can do that.)
"Remember that while a few junk foods no longer exist, at least 90% of them will be around until the end of time (like Dunkin Donuts), so you're NOT depriving yourself by indulging only once a week or even once a month. Deprivation, you might argue, is when you're in another country and you see something you know you can never buy or cook at home - and you don't grab the chance to eat it."
"If you're not hungry enough to eat an apple, you're not hungry."
And, on that point, we move to:
"If you find that your appetite and metabolism are only half as good as they were 20 years ago, accept it. Even if it means eating tiny meals at least 2/3 of the time. Chances are, you'll be glad you did make the change in your habits."
lenona at April 6, 2014 12:09 PM
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