It is as I have said before: sex is more important than murder in America.
Once registered you are a lifetime sex offender. If you commit murder, there are not only those who insist you can be rehabilitated, there are those who think that no matter how heinous the crime, you should not receive capital punishment. You might even be pardoned.
I wonder how many people who support sex offender registries also find capital punishment repulsive.
I wonder how many people who think that a sex offender cannot be rehabilitated also think homosexuality is a "choice".

At seventeen, this sick mother fucker had sex with a "pre-teen". That's twelve years old at best. That's a child by any measure. He's a proven pedophile and he needs to have a sign in his yard.

I'll bite and answer Radwaste's questions as a supporter of these registries.

"I wonder how many people who support sex offender registries also find capital punishment repulsive."

That's a fair point. I don't find the idea of capital punishment offensive, but I distrust the process and worry that innocent people will be put to death. I admit freely that the same could be said for the possibility of innocent people being convicted as pedophiles. Again, fair point. You got me there. In this case, however, there doesn't seem to be any objection that the act was actually committed.

"I wonder how many people who think that a sex offender cannot be rehabilitated also think homosexuality is a "choice"."

I don't think that homosexuality is a choice. But, I'm not sure what your point here is. Are you trying to say that pedophilia is not a choice? Are you equating the two?

Regarding the murder can or cannot be rehabilitated point, there are a lot of different circumstances surrounding murder. Is it a husband coming home to find his wife in bed with another man and flying into a rage? Or is it a serial killer who cuts off the tits of his victims? There is a pretty wide range of possibilities there. Some can be rehabilitated and some cannot.

If you're fucking a twelve year old, fuck you. You don't need to be in my neighborhood without a fucking sign in your yard.

I don't believe these fuckers can be rehabilitated. Yes, I agree with what you're likely about to say. That is that they shouldn't get a life sentence for something that doesn't carry a life sentence. Only I think it should actually be a life sentence. They shouldn't have a sign in their yard, they should just stay in prison. They shouldn't have a yard at all. Absent that, I'll take what I can get in the form of a sign in the yard.

Here's a Web site that makes the rounds now and then: 12 or 20?

Yep, gotta put that 17-year-old down for not getting photo ID!

Glad you posted that link, Rad. Also, there are plenty of cases where kids are declared sex offenders for having sex with a girl who's 16 when they're 17.

"At seventeen, this sick mother fucker had sex with a pre-teen'. That's twelve years old at best. "

I'm kind of with whistleDick on this... I contend that sex offender registries have been a total disaster, but this looks like a poor case for demonstrating it.

But let's step back a bit. What is the stated purpose of sex offender regstries? It's based on the principle that the recidivism rate among actual pedophiles is near 100%, a point that seems to be well supported in the literature. Yet, the Johns Hopkins meta-study found that the recidivism rate among people on the sex offender registry is very low. This suggests that the wrong people are winding up on the registry, and therefore not only is it ruining the lives of a lot of men (and yes, nearly all of those on the registries are men), but it's not doing what it's supposed to do -- deprive actual pedophiles of opportunities to commit more crimes.

This really isn't a surprise. How many reports have we seen of men being put on the registry because of consensual sex among teenagers, or because of crimes having nothing to do with sex at all, such as public urination? The registry is a life sentence, and in some ways it's much worse than a life sentence in prison -- when you're on the registry, you still have to feed and house yourself, yet your status will deny you access to the means to do so.

Quite frankly, this is seen by a large segment of society as being the desired outcome. The postmodern feminists see the registry as a useful tool of vengence against men in general. The ruling elites see it as a way to suppress lower-status men and remind them of their station. And the security nannies, well, we know about them. So yes, the chances of any reform taking place is precisely zero. Society has found itself a scaepegoat group.

Before I had lived through raising my kids I might have agreed with you "whistleDick" but it's not that easy. I have a now 23 year
beautiful daughter, who at 12 did look 20 years old. I developed a lot of gray hair and wrinkles in screaming fights about make up, clothing choices and parties. Finally at 16, she got it. She's now in medical school doing great, bla-bla-bla.
My son, 21, attractive and shy--had and STILL has girls who get drunk at parties begging him to sleep with them. This happened in middle school and high school. I n college these girls get drunk to the point of blacking out on Friday and Saturday nights routinely. My son rarely goes to parties or leaves by 10pm
before everyone is ridiculous. So, my point, is I've been living this
blurring of particularly young females trying to look and act older.
The boys are frankly stunned at how willing or aggressive the girls are. This starts at a very young age and is very confusing for everyone. These parties can get huge, many of the kids are drunk,
kids are coming from other schools you don't know.
This guy might be a pedophile-- we know nothing about the particular specifics --and I'm all in for giving a true pedophile
a life sentence----I was crazy every time my kids were going somewhere unknown when they were young.
I was very blunt with my kids and tried to scare the shit out of them
and did a pretty good job. They stayed out of trouble and are doing well. But I know lots of kids this could have happened to-
both the girl and the boy.

He wasn't picking her up at the middle school playground and attracting her with candy and puppies, he went to a party. And I have definitely known 12 year-olds who look 20.

I actually had something similar, went to a club that was 21 and over, they carded me. I met a guy there; he turned out to be 16.

Good thing I didn't have sex with him. Though with the double standard I probably didn't have anything to worry about.

So...we should bring back the Scarlet Letter? or perhaps tattoos?

I contend that sex offender registries have been a total disaster, but this looks like a poor case for demonstrating it.

I agree with Cousin Dave. Also want to point out that the guy is now in his mid-30s and Mommy is still fighting his battles.

By the way, I took that "12 or 20?" test and got 100%; while I can see mistaking a mature 16-year-old for a legal adult, the difference between a tarted-up preteen and a 20-year-old ain't hard to discern.

Tarted up teens look pretty good in darkly-lit locations. Anyway, do young males really LOOK?

Guess this takes me to the "blaming the girl" corner, but if you play in the street you gotta look out for yourself (or at least you used to).

And that goes both ways. I avoided one 'not mine' pregnancy due to an older co-worker giving me a heads-up when I said something about getting lucky later. (When it looks too good to be true ...)

Depending on the law for the geographical location you occupy while having sex it can be simultaneously legal for a 110 year old man to fuck a 16 year old girl. But illegal for a 14yr old boy to get a blowjob from hat same girl.

Can I interest you in a story where a local DA charged a 7yr old by with a sex crime after HE was molested by his 13 yr old babysitter?

For shits I looked him up, it was Aggravated Criminal Sex Abuse with a 12 year old girl so for those thinking "she could have been 6", she wasn't.

"He wasn't picking her up at the middle school playground and attracting her with candy and puppies, he went to a party. "

This.
- He was at a highschool party so what was a middle schooler doing there?
- I have not found anything mentioning force so did he make her do it or was it her leading him on thinking she could get some from guys at a party? Neither of those excuse what he did but it should show that the punishment didn't fit the crime.

To put it in perspective:
no getting a flat tire near a school for life, no public pools for life, no family reunions for life, can't go to churches for life, you could be told to leave a hotel or apartment at any time for life. Get put on the list at 14 for peeing in a park...? well, are banned from having children.

The registry has to end, police records just for police should be more than enough to keep tabs on the people. As it is now, there is almost no real chance of rehabilitation with a productive job.

The problem with the sex offender registries is that they built them to cover even the slightest error instead of building them to cover the large majority and then later amend to fill in the holes.

There is a world of difference from the guy taking a leak in the park compared to the lecher getting kids to come up to his car with his pants down.

And another issue is that so many of these laws are built with automatic triggers that takes away a judge's discretion. They should be setup that the judge can say "no sex offender registration" with a written justification in the case. Something like "arrested for public intox and public urination. Blew .21 and was nearly nightfall. Not believed to be a threat."

None of these laws are written that way.

There was a story out of Florida a few years ago about an 11 or 12-year-old girl with a fake ID going out to clubs or bars and picking up men and sleeping with them, then getting the arrested for statutory rape. She did this like three different times and never once got in trouble for it herself. In one instance she told a 19-year-old she was 17, which is legal in Florida (a 16-year-old can have sex with someone up to the age of 20 legally). The girl's father fully defended her actions saying men should know better than to sleep with his daughter despite the girl doing everything to represent herself as at least 17 with fake ID and her general appearance that was very well developed and looking much older than her true age.

I think sex offender registries are a joke. At the very least the listings should come with an expiration date.

Girls definitely have a habit of going out acting like tarted up sluts and trying to pick up older men and representing themselves as much older than they are. Many girls can pull this off easily by their appearance. My friends did this and would have contests to see how old of a man they could hook up with. I probably would have participated if I thought I could have pulled it off, but having the figure of a popcicle stick and looking 12 up until around 20 it never would have worked for me. It's basically entrappment when young girls go out portraying themselves as much older including being in places they'd be age excluded from. If you trick a man into sleeping with you by saying you are older, that should be on you. If you're in a bar a reasonable person would believe you are 21 due to bars being age restricted and that the minimum. If you're at a high school party it's reasonable to believe that you are a high school student. The law allows girls and women avoid all responsibility for their behavior.

Did I read that wrong? he had sex with a PRE-teen? Meaning a girl 12 or most likely younger? I've got no issue with him being on a list for life and required to stay in on Halloween. At 17 he was for all practical purposes a man. Who had sex with a child. Not a slightly younger teen, not even a 2 or 3 year younger teen. A child. Amy you pick the weirdest cases to attack the sex list. There are no doubt many on it who shouldn't be. This dude isn't one (and NO one's mom thinks they're a deviant. Ask the parent of any rapist in prison, you'll hear all about how wrong it is that her baby is in there). Oh and 12 is elementary school, not middle school.

BunnyGirl, we have statutory rape and other laws protecting KIDS from even the consequences of their own actions for a reason: kids aren't fully rational or in control of themselves. That's why they CAN"T legally consent, to sex or legal contracts or anything else. That's nice though-blaming a kid who wanted to hang out with the cool older kids. Nice victim blaming. She asked for it, after all, and all that crap.

momof4, the problem here is that there are certain presumptions in place.

1. That parents are keeping their young children at home.
Problem: Many are NOT. So you get 12 year olds that look 20something sneaking into bars with a fake i.d. or in this case, off to a high school party.

2. That young children look like young children.
Problem: Many do NOT. I sure as shit don't remember any 12 year olds looking like they do today. Holy hell, you really can't tell the goddamn difference any longer.

3. That young ones are inherently victims.
Problem: When they start looking like 20 year olds, fact is, they've got all the hormones kicking in that are telling them to seek out sex, literally 'asking for it' and don't see themselves as victims. They may not have the wherewithal to make sound choices, and thus age restrictions should continue to apply…but classifying them as victims is not really accurate either.

When you have that combination of factors, it proves a recipe for disaster. A 12 year old goes to a high school party…sex happens at those whether adults want to admit it or not, the assumption is that the 12 year old is not 12. Identification sounds nice, but most of those kids probably don't have identification either. To prosecute and punish for life what could have happened to literally ANY of them, is utterly ridiculous. If anything, punish her incompetent parents for letting their 12 year old disappear for long enough to go to a high school party (How did she get there?) and fuck around.

I've seen 14 yr olds who look like they are 20

My niece is 10 and could easily pass as 16. Tall, slender, well-developed breasts and hips. She looks much older than she is. Her mother will not let her wear makeup until high school and goes out of her way to make sure she is dressed as modestly as possible because she grew up as the out of control teen, sleeping with high school and college boys starting when she was 13, going to high school parties, etc. She wasn't well supervised and she had lax parents. She got pregnant at 17 by a man 11 years older (my brother, yeah creepy but they got married and managed to avoid statutory rape charges). She has her daughter on a very short leash and controls where she goes and with whom. When I've taken my niece somewhere she's often mistaken for a high school girl because of her appearance and she's not even trying to act or appear older.

Girls that go out seeking out men and portraying themselves as much older and putting themselves into more adult situations are "asking for it" in a way. They are asking to be treated as if they are older and being allowed into those situations, lying to do it. They aren't victims when they seek out those situations and all that goes along with it willingly and participate in it. That should be taken into account when it comes to charging males with crimes related to it and subsequent punishment.

I love listening to Bill Burr podcasts.

Anyways a guy wrote in for advice:

He was almost accused of rape by a hot girl....but since they didn't do the deed nothing came of it..,

He wrote in that while it's true that she was insane, and was his co worker she was a. hot and b. still asking for sex

So his question to bill was 'Should I fuck her despite her accusations ?"

Bills response was hilarious....and something to the effect of women will never understand what it's like to have a dick because think of how dumb this question is....

(He also said by the time you can control your dick no woman wants to fuck you anyways.)

"Did I read that wrong? he had sex with a PRE-teen? Meaning a girl 12 or most likely younger? I've got no issue with him being on a list for life and required to stay in on Halloween. At 17 he was for all practical purposes a man. Who had sex with a child."

And this is a great illustration of the problem!

Without seeing either person involved in the alleged crime, judgment is rendered - but here's the kicker:

Government applies immense and impersonal force to personal problems. It is asked to step in by people who will simply not parent, and who are then appalled by the penalty of calling for government force when it hits their special snowflake, even though Draco was the perfect solution when somebody else was involved!

By the way: Kevin, congrats on your passing the quiz. Forewarned, you passed an online quiz of limited scope with no consequences whatsoever.

And be careful: your browser cache now contains pictures of underage girls in sexually suggestive poses - because definitions vary by jurisdiction - which can put YOU on a sexual offender registry!

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By the way, such pictures do not have to be of a real person. Here is an example of a wholly fictional person, rendered photorealistically (safe for everyone). All you have to do is have a photo some DA finds offensive to the community.

Just to be sure to be hated by everyone, a side topic:

there is a problem, but I don't see the same way as you.
In my opinion, there is a rule that was broken (not saying that the rule is good or not), and consequences arise (which i don't say that they are good or bad). Now you can work on changing the rule, or you can play around.

Just go to Europe, life in the "communist" states is ten times easier than here, I know because I made the opposite trip. There is electricity, water, gaz, woman, cars, and NOT the sex-offender registry. Start a new life, show the pioneer state of mind of your ancestors. start a new life in a new place, with a clean record.

If learning a new language is above you, the try england, scotland, or malta, they speak english in these "communistic states". or move to new-zealand, or australia (real nice capitalistic states).

bottom line: you fuckep up (intentionally or not), you solve the problem. you don't whine like a little boy to have the law changed. And yes life is unfair.
But all these moron could have gone to australia/new-zealand/england, and started a new life already (at 18 it's the best time).

bottom line: you fuckep up (intentionally or not), you solve the problem. you don't whine like a little boy to have the law changed. And yes life is unfair. -- nico@HOU at May 10, 2014 11:42 AM

If this was the rare case of one in 10K that was unjustly saddled with such a tag I could possibly agree with your ideas.

The problem is that the law is bad. It is not effective and does very little that is good. So trying to get it taken off the books is the better solution.

Kevin, how in the world did you guess the correct ages of #5 and #7, if you know what I mean?

(In the case of #1, it was clear - she must have been wearing a wig. At any rate, her head looked too small.)

This is as good a time as any to mention that we need to be asking harder questions about where all this premature puberty is coming from - trouble is, that could easily lead to the possible need for people everywhere to stop using so many prescription and over-the-counter pills, the chemicals and hormones of which end up in the water supply - of course, that includes the Pill.

ok Bunnny, I want to be sure I'm understanding you. You are saying that an ELEMENTARY school child who makes a dumb choice, is asking for it? That grown men need conduct no due diligence whatsoever? Maybe you have to be a parent, but it's just not. that. hard. to tell "young" from "adult". Skin tone and texture, fat distribution, body hair (I'm not talking the obvious, kids have hairier arms and legs. Women get less hairy through their teens over most of their body, speech and syntax. I aced that quiz. Why can't penises? (you know, since they face the real consequences of not being able to tell, unless of course you count the little kid who just had sex with an adult and all that will entail for her life).

Seriously, those 12 year olds looked like little girls playing dress up. The 20 year olds just look different. I think it's in the eyes. Maybe that they weren't trying so obviously hard, I don't know. But I went 9 for 9.

So a few adults who have much more life experience than a 17 year old passed the test.

I rarely get carded by wait staff who are older...but I get carded at the beach where the staff are usually 17 year olds. They have less experience to tell.

Isnt 12 Jr high?

She went to the party, she chose to drink, she agreed to have sex. The guy was convicted of sexual assault, not rape which means the girl probably admitted it was consensual. He was probably drinking as well.

Why wasnt she charged? She had sex with someone under 18 who had been drinking?

Why is it momof4 there is always some reason why women can never be responsible for their decisions when it come to consensual sex?

If you're in elementary school at 12 you must have been held back. I was 12 in seventh grade up until the last couple of months and I was not one of the youngest either. Where I live elementary school ends at fifth grade, so 10-11.

I agree with luj, which I can't say happens that often. There is no way for him to prove she was not the age she said she was, she was drinking and at a high school party. All things pointed to being older than 12. He is being punished way too harshly that was essentially a mistake in that he can't magically know someone's true age. Sure, body hair and other physical characteristics change with age. However, that's due primarily to puberty and other hormonal changes. Children are going through puberty much early these days and there is no rule that says it happens at X time and completes in X number of years. A 12-year-old can cery easily be at the same developmental stage as a 16-year-old. I highly doubt a teenager knows all the finer nuances to look for to determine someone's age, let alone their are those differences in the first place. Hell, most older people wouldn't even know that.

The problem is that our society allows people, especially females, to avoid personal responsibility for their actions while vilifying men and not allowing them the same escape hatch. What probably happened in this case is mommy and daddy found out their little snowflake was screwing around and flipped their shit. How dare that dirty boy defile their pure as the driven snow little angel! Instead of beating her ass for what she did they involved the police to punish him.

Amy you reminded me of when I broke up with a guy because I got drunk and asked him to drive my car home.

He couldn't....because it was stick.

That was the end of that.

A pre-teen? Not feeling terribly sympathetic.

Amy, 16 is not pre-teen!!!