OSU Students Must Agree On WHY They're Having Sex
Yes, that's your government, all up in your collegiate undies.
Incredibly, here's the latest from Robby Soave at reason about college requirements for what is considered "consent" to sex. This is from Ohio State University:
Effective consent can be given by words or actions so long as the words or actions create a mutual understanding between both parties regarding the conditions of the sexual activity--ask, "do both of us understand and agree regarding the who, what, where, when, why, and how this sexual activity will take place?"
Hans Bader writes at Liberty Unyielding:
There used to be a joke that women need a reason to have sex, while men only need a place. Does this policy reflect that juvenile mindset? Such a requirement baffles some women in the real world: a female member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights told me, "I am still trying to wrap my mind around the idea of any two intimates in the world agreeing as to 'why.'"
More from Bader at examiner.com. He says that Ohio State applies an impractical "agreement" requirement -- not just to sex but to for "touching" that is sexual in nature:
This "agreement" requirement is impractical, because unlike sex (where there is generally an implicit agreement among the participants before it can even happen, since sex is difficult to do without active cooperation), no one agrees in advance - verbally or non-verbally - to have someone touch them in a particular place while making out. No one ever says, "may I touch your breast" before doing it while making out. They may (and usually do) welcome (and enjoy) it after it occurs, but they don't specifically "agree" to it in advance (indeed, they may have expected the touch to occur in a different place, even if they found it pleasant). The very process of making out is a gradual escalation of intimacy step by step, without constant discussion or an endless series of agreements.That may be impossible under Ohio State's policy, not just because it requires "agreement" (rather than mere "acquiescence") but also because it expresses hostility to the concept of "consent to one form of sexual activity" being a signal of receptiveness to other, slightly more intimate "forms of sexual activity." But that's exactly what happens in making out: when you acquiesce in one form of touching or other "sexual activity" long enough, that signals a likely willingness to engage in slightly more intimate forms of touching -- although you are free to rebut that presumption of willingness at any time simply by saying "no" or physically conveying your unwillingness.
Such fluid interaction is threatened by Ohio State's definition, which states that that "Consent to one form of sexual activity does not imply consent to other . . . sexual activity," that there must be "agreement between both parties to participate in each and every sexual act," that only "clear consent" counts, and that "Consent can never be assumed, even in the context of a relationship."
If this definition of "sexual assault" were not already broad enough, Ohio State's Student Wellness Center seeks to radically narrow the concept of consent further (and ban "kissing" without verbal consent as "sexual assault"). It says consent must be "verbal," "enthusiastic," and must be "asked for every step of the way"; "If consent is not obtained prior to each act of sexual behavior (from kissing to intercourse), it is not consensual sex," it says. Consent also must also be a litany of other things, such as "sober," "informed," "honest," "wanted," and "creative."
I can't think of anything more boring than "sober," "informed," and "honest" sexual activity. (And by knocking "sober," I don't mean I like to black out before sex; I mean, it's fun to get tipsy on a glass of wine and make out.)
And if you ask me, "May I touch your breast," and then ask me to sign a statement (perhaps on videotape) confirming my consent, well, let's just say I'm going to remain about as sexed up as I feel while speaking to my deaf elderly aunt.
This becomes like the junior high makeout version of Three Felonies A Day, Harvey Silverglate's book on how, just by living our lives in our overlegislated age, we are each guilty of approximately three federal crimes.
More from Bader on kissing:
Classifying "kissing" as "sexual assault" if it occurs without "verbal" consent -- the way Ohio State's Wellness Center does -- is so extreme that it could create a PR disaster. If a school expels or even suspends a student for kissing and calls him a "sexual assault" perpetrator, many will view it as outrageous overkill, that student may sue, and groups like FIRE will publicize it as an example of PC college administrators run amok.But if it does not expel or remove the student from campus, despite calling it "sexual assault," people will wrongly assume there is a rapist on campus (because "the terms 'rape' and 'sexual assault' are sometimes used synonymously in common language"), angry classmates may protest the student's presence as a result, and Ohio State may end up being denounced by web sites or journalists who depict colleges as as "rape cultures" or "rape factories" (even though the rape rate has fallen 58% since the mid-1990s).
Floyd Ferris, a bureaucrat in the novel Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand:
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Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed? We want them broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against.
The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them.
One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone?
But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers.
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Who is so crazed that they want to push the above ludicrous regulation of social and sexual contact?
It must be radical feminists at the college level and in Obama's government. If all men are predators at heart, then it can only be good to expel as many of them as possible and ruin their lives. Jail isn't necessary.
These regulators are examples of the best and brightest. I can't wait for them to be controlling health care, employment, living patterns, taxes, and economic transactions in transparent detail. If we do nothing wrong, then we have nothing to fear from our strong and observant government.
Andrew_M_Garland at September 12, 2014 11:10 PM
Guys, c'mon.... It's Ohio State.
Wut—evaaaaaaaar.
Serious-cookies here, important snacktime thinking, OK?:
Picture, in your mind, for me here, now, a sexual encounter between the son of a Toledo florist (good hair!) and the daughter of a Dayton chiropractor (firm tits!) in a Buckeye dormitorium... An encounter likely to result in sanction under these strictures. Consider all of it... The clumsiness, the ineptitude, the probable (if unevenly-distributed) drunkenness, the swollen flesh, the stank of cheapjack toiletries, the abject stupidity...
Who deserves to suffer from it more than those two kids?
Who more urgently needs to learn how to deal with it than those two kids?
Who more badly needs to understand that the rules for their dormroom conduct are being written by dickless, fogbrained ninnybots who have never —in their whole lives— had a single sexual encounter powerful enough for either regret or fond remembrance?
It's not that these new rules aren't wrong, and stupid, and counter-feminist, and embarrassing to us as Americans, and all the rest... It truly is bad as Amy thinks it is, and for all of her eloquent reasons.
But college-boy boners are bigger, harder, squirtier and more meaningful than bullshit like this. They're smarter than the United States of America Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights.
The problem is not just that I'm getting old and and insufficiently petulant, OK? I totes comprehend the libertarian annoyance.
The problem is that people forget that sex, as Paglia told us, is the most powerful force in human nature: "Sex is the natural in man."
It subsumes race, brains, cuteness, fitness, talent, height, weight, dentition, virtue and guitar skills.
Yeah… Some teenagers get their feelings hurt, and the adults are stoopit about it.
That happened in the 1950's, too, and in the 1890's, and the 1740's and in 1491 and in the Epipaleolithic eras and all the way back....
Have some faith in your biology, OK?
Nature wins. There are no exceptions.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 13, 2014 1:58 AM
This is Steeb Hall, Americans!
On the campus of Ohio State! Your daughters are getting Steebed in there!
We'd better come up with some policy to deal with this!
The federal government will help!
PS- I had to look up the spelling of "Epipaleolithic."
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 13, 2014 2:03 AM
I'm going to kiss you...
Cheers
Shouldn't Crid be linking by now?
drcos at September 13, 2014 5:12 AM
Easy enough to counter, just have every guy on campus file complaints against women.
lujlp at September 13, 2014 5:28 AM
I'd like to point out that Colleges expect Freshmen to show up on campus ready to act like the adults they legally (mostly) are.
In reality, it's High School 2.0 with the strictures removed. Anyone running on the "Students should act like Adults" ticket won't last long.
Naively, I hope there's room for pushback. Tell the Feds to fuck off, or at least build the presumption of accountability by Students into their model; then inform the students that the School is their to provide education, not wipe their little asses if they get in trouble.
Slippery slope there, though: if the Administrations started expelling inconvenient students with impunity, they'd be choking off their revenue stream, not to mention litigation when Mommy and Daddy's precious snowflake is asked to leave.
Tangentially, universities are notorious for their inept handling of sexual assault cases. Dare I ask why consensual sex is retconned into assault or... something worse... months later? When alcohol is involved, why are Men the perps and Women the victims? Yes, I went there.
Having done so, I totally agree that universities and police alike need to seriously raise their games when dealing with allegations. I understand that the "critical evidence" often goes uncollected or perhaps undocumented.
Per one account I read, Dartmouth has one of the most misogynist student cultures anywhere. Perhaps there's a positive correlation between being privileged and being an asshole.
DaveG at September 13, 2014 5:33 AM
Steeb Hall makes me want to have prison sex.
Amy Alkon at September 13, 2014 5:48 AM
Why is it that only college students can get raped? I guess the kids that go some other way can sling cock and pussy to their heart's content.
Parents: "Don't you want to go to college?"
Offspring: "Not really, I'd rather get laid."
Steve Daniels at September 13, 2014 8:49 AM
Ten years after it made its debut, there might now be a burgeoning market for Dave Chappelle's "Love Contract."
Matt at September 13, 2014 9:02 AM
These rules only apply to college students. Easy fix.
College guys: Don't date college women. There's better sex off campus. Plus you don't have to worry you are dating a stealth feminist who wants to get you expelled for touching her breast where you thought she gave her consent to do so. And if the women aren't getting dates from college men, they'll either have to date non-student men to whom the rules will not apply or the women will lobby to change the rules.
College women: If you approve of these rules, you do realize that one day you will graduate to the real world where all the "sex" rules you lived by in college no longer apply. So what will you have learned in college anyway ?
Nick at September 13, 2014 10:54 AM
By the time my kids are in college, they will have to submit 2 page essays as to why they want to engage in intimate relations to the Dean of Student Liaisons, wait for it to be graded, and then only be able to proceed if they both received a grade of B or better on them.
(No comment from regarding what it took to get me to make a move when we were in college!)
Dwatney at September 13, 2014 1:15 PM
'the real world where all the "sex" rules you lived by in college no longer apply.'
Give the lefties a little more time.
dee nile at September 13, 2014 1:43 PM
Apparently "you know who you are" in less/greater than signs got removed as an invalid tag.
Should have been:
(No comment from [you know who you are] regarding...
Dwatney at September 13, 2014 2:51 PM
Nick,
That already happens. College women are too dangerous to date for college men with a future.
Ben at September 13, 2014 3:09 PM
With all the negotiation and agreement required for sex it would be easier to just hire a hooker.
parbarbarian at September 13, 2014 6:19 PM
Cheaper to, and you'll get more sex
lujlp at September 14, 2014 8:21 AM
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