Social Security Sins Of The Father (And Mother): Govt Goes After Their Offspring For The Money
The government knows no bounds when it comes to unfairness. It's been coming after children of people who were overpaid Social Security benefits, reports Marc Fisher in the WaPo. One of the people in the story was a 1-year-old infant at the time her mother was allegedly overpaid benefits:
The Social Security Administration, which announced in April that it would stop trying to collect debts from the children of people who were allegedly overpaid benefits decades ago, has continued to demand such payments and now defends that practice in court documents.After The Washington Post reported in April that the Treasury Department had confiscated $75 million in tax refunds due to about 400,000 Americans whose ancestors owed money to Social Security, the agency's acting commissioner, Carolyn Colvin, said efforts to collect on those old debts would cease immediately.
But although some people whose refunds were seized were reimbursed in recent months, some of those same taxpayers have since received new demands from Social Security, asserting that the debts remain and seeking repayment.
In March, the U.S. government intercepted Mary Grice's tax refunds from both the IRS and the state of Maryland. It turned out that after Grice's father died in 1960, when she was 4, her mother got survivor benefits to help feed and clothe her five children. Social Security says it overpaid someone in the Grice family -- it's not sure who -- in 1977. With Grice's mother long since dead, the government came after Mary to pay the debt.
The Takoma Park woman, now 58, filed suit against Social Security, challenging the government's right to take her money without notice to satisfy her mother's debt. After The Post wrote about her case, the government returned Grice's tax refunds to her. But in August, she received a new bill from Social Security, seeking the same $2,997 that the agency had refunded to her four months earlier.
"DID YOU FORGET?" the letter said, demanding that Grice "send us the full payment right away."
The four other plaintiffs who have joined Grice in her federal lawsuit have also received letters explaining that although the government returned their confiscated tax refunds after Colvin said such collections would cease, "this refund does not eliminate your overpayment."
The children of payees they're dinging never received the benefit of this money. Again, it went to their parents.
How sick is this?
Despite the announced freeze, Social Security has continued to press Jessica Vela of San Diego for $16,888 that the government claims she owes for overpayments made to her mother in child support benefits when Vela was 1. Vela's mother is still alive, and Social Security first tried to collect from her, but the mother fought the government in court and won. That's when Social Security turned to the daughter....Now 24 and a Navy veteran whose husband remains on active duty, Vela was a month away from delivering her second child in April when her income tax refund of $5,996.87 was seized by the Treasury Department this spring.
"They took our entire refund without prior notification by mail, carrier pigeon, smoke signal, anything," she said. "We were hoping to buy a crib and everything else we needed for the baby with that money."
Vela has repeatedly contacted Social Security to appeal the seizure, and she said that some Social Security employees at the offices she has visited told her that she was in the right, but in October she received a letter telling her that the agency would not review her case again.








Is anyone surprised? Of course they continue to try to collect. The announcement in April was a red herring; it allowed the media to go away thumping their chests that they had solved the problem, while the government waited for the issue to drop out of the news cycle. Then it was back to business as usual.
Cousin Dave at December 15, 2014 7:25 AM
More proof that the government is run by sociopaths. It takes a complete lack of empathy to do horrible things like this.
Assholio at December 15, 2014 7:42 AM
This will occur again and again with Obamacare.
Because a government employee's pay has never depended on performance related to you, the citizen.
Radwaste at December 15, 2014 11:11 AM
This, along with the property seizure/forfeiture laws, confirm the adage that a government big enough to give you everything you need is powerful enough to take away everything you have.
We live in interesting times in this "free" nation of ours.
Jay R at December 15, 2014 12:36 PM
Using the Treasury to collect debts is relatively new thing...and it seems to work pretty well, from a gov't standpoint.
So we have these slob agencies who overpay; don't collect when they could; don't watch the money they should be watching; etc -- and now they are given an easy out by having the Treasury collect for them.
doombuggy at December 15, 2014 8:36 PM
Doom, good point. I'm wondering how far we are from the day when, anytime the government figures you owe them money, they simply reach into your bank account and take it. And you won't know anything happened until you look at your account (or bounce a check).
Cousin Dave at December 16, 2014 5:09 AM
Cousin Dave, our local county treasurer went on a binge of attaching local bank accounts to collect taxes, which drove many to move their accounts.
(Alleged) public servants will do what they think they can get away with.
doombuggy at December 16, 2014 7:37 AM
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