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Make them live by their rules. DEMAND they live by their rules.
Also, I'll believe something is a crisis when those telling us it is a crisis act like it is actually a crisis.
I R A Darth Aggie
at April 23, 2015 12:11 PM
Lisa Madigan is Illinois Attorney General, and she apparently appeared at the University of Illinois with Joe Biden where he said his usual nonsense re: campus sexual assault.
Well, if a friend, or relative, co-worker, or person on the street comes up to me and tells me they were a victim of sexual assault, I will support them, I will get them to a hospital, call the cops for them, be there for them, ask a few questions about where it happened and a description.
If that's believing them, then sure, yeah, I will believe them. To that point.
But beyond that, nuh uh.
If I don't know them, if they didn't tell me directly but via a blog or media report, if they found reasons not to go to the cops or a hospital, if they tell me alcohol was involved but they don't remember the actual incident, uf they tell me both were drinking, but but but....
Well then, no, I feel no obligation of any sort to believe them, and I see no reason why the AG should take that position either.
Should the cops so blindly believe them?
Should the judge and jury so blindly believe them?
If I am not there providing immediate support, or I am not a very close family member or friend, why should I unconditionally believe anyone and never have the ability to look back and re-examine what happened?
It's galling that this soon after UVA (and even this soon after Hofstra and Duke) the AG and the VP can go to a college campus and still claim we need to unconditionally believe "survivors"
jerry
at April 23, 2015 12:33 PM
Ironic isn't it?
An Attorney General, top law enforcer, calls for dismantling the presumption of innocence, and the rule of law.
Well, she is a woman, and the negative effects of her position will almost completely be borne by men, so ... never mind!
Jay R
at April 23, 2015 12:39 PM
And it's relative of course.
If a child or adolescent tells me they were raped I give them the benefit of the doubt much much much ... much much much longer than I do a 36 year old woman college graduate with a degree in EE, as well as a Harvard MBA and Harvard Law degree who works as a VC in Silicon Valley and who several years later, while owning several apartments with her multimillionaire husband at the Dakota (John Lennon's Apartment building in Manhattan) complains of sexual harassment and files suit at the same time her husband Buddy is found to be defrauding his investors to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.
And still the feminist press spins that one as a case of we're so sexist we're not believing the survivor, and Ellen Pao may have lost but she opened up the hidden secret of Silicon Valley sexism
So Lisa baby, it's relative honey.
jerry
at April 23, 2015 12:50 PM
As has been said in another thread today: Illinois Nazis.
Cousin Dave
at April 24, 2015 8:07 AM
Yeah I live in Illinois and this happened right out my back door (the Biden/Madigan duo). Lisa Madigan has made quite an industry of sex convictions here. The point with believing such accusations is to consider the source. Yes I do know a couple of crack whores who will tell all about how they got raped when every time the cops pick them up for soliciting. Cops don't believe it and for that matter, neither do the women. Never goes anywhere and no it doesn't bother anyone at all. It if was a close friend making the accusation, I knew wouldn't lie, sure I'd take it seriously. Remember the "free hits" game from grade school? It's where I tell you today is my birthday (or some such) which means I can do whatever I want and nobody can hit me back. If you fall for it, I deck you and then claim it's unfair if you get mad or try to get even. Bad people are always looking for free hits and some hot button topic like sexual assault will attract such people in droves. (Rape activists use the free hits rule every time you tell them to fix their statistics, for instance. Classic passive-aggressive bullying tactics.) Nobody should be even slightly surprised this is going to get abused. All that will happen if Madigan gets her way is that when fake cases (like the University of Virginia case) come to the fore, real cases will start getting ignored. Of course by then she'll probably be running for governor on some other issue by then so it can get swept under the rug. Ah... Illinois politics...
Punch back twice as hard.
Make them live by their rules. DEMAND they live by their rules.
Also, I'll believe something is a crisis when those telling us it is a crisis act like it is actually a crisis.
I R A Darth Aggie at April 23, 2015 12:11 PM
Lisa Madigan is Illinois Attorney General, and she apparently appeared at the University of Illinois with Joe Biden where he said his usual nonsense re: campus sexual assault.
http://www.dailyillini.com/news/biden/article_fb625976-e970-11e4-8432-2f4ea4ccac0a.html
Well, if a friend, or relative, co-worker, or person on the street comes up to me and tells me they were a victim of sexual assault, I will support them, I will get them to a hospital, call the cops for them, be there for them, ask a few questions about where it happened and a description.
If that's believing them, then sure, yeah, I will believe them. To that point.
But beyond that, nuh uh.
If I don't know them, if they didn't tell me directly but via a blog or media report, if they found reasons not to go to the cops or a hospital, if they tell me alcohol was involved but they don't remember the actual incident, uf they tell me both were drinking, but but but....
Well then, no, I feel no obligation of any sort to believe them, and I see no reason why the AG should take that position either.
Should the cops so blindly believe them?
Should the judge and jury so blindly believe them?
If I am not there providing immediate support, or I am not a very close family member or friend, why should I unconditionally believe anyone and never have the ability to look back and re-examine what happened?
It's galling that this soon after UVA (and even this soon after Hofstra and Duke) the AG and the VP can go to a college campus and still claim we need to unconditionally believe "survivors"
jerry at April 23, 2015 12:33 PM
Ironic isn't it?
An Attorney General, top law enforcer, calls for dismantling the presumption of innocence, and the rule of law.
Well, she is a woman, and the negative effects of her position will almost completely be borne by men, so ... never mind!
Jay R at April 23, 2015 12:39 PM
And it's relative of course.
If a child or adolescent tells me they were raped I give them the benefit of the doubt much much much ... much much much longer than I do a 36 year old woman college graduate with a degree in EE, as well as a Harvard MBA and Harvard Law degree who works as a VC in Silicon Valley and who several years later, while owning several apartments with her multimillionaire husband at the Dakota (John Lennon's Apartment building in Manhattan) complains of sexual harassment and files suit at the same time her husband Buddy is found to be defrauding his investors to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.
And still the feminist press spins that one as a case of we're so sexist we're not believing the survivor, and Ellen Pao may have lost but she opened up the hidden secret of Silicon Valley sexism
So Lisa baby, it's relative honey.
jerry at April 23, 2015 12:50 PM
As has been said in another thread today: Illinois Nazis.
Cousin Dave at April 24, 2015 8:07 AM
Yeah I live in Illinois and this happened right out my back door (the Biden/Madigan duo). Lisa Madigan has made quite an industry of sex convictions here. The point with believing such accusations is to consider the source. Yes I do know a couple of crack whores who will tell all about how they got raped when every time the cops pick them up for soliciting. Cops don't believe it and for that matter, neither do the women. Never goes anywhere and no it doesn't bother anyone at all. It if was a close friend making the accusation, I knew wouldn't lie, sure I'd take it seriously. Remember the "free hits" game from grade school? It's where I tell you today is my birthday (or some such) which means I can do whatever I want and nobody can hit me back. If you fall for it, I deck you and then claim it's unfair if you get mad or try to get even. Bad people are always looking for free hits and some hot button topic like sexual assault will attract such people in droves. (Rape activists use the free hits rule every time you tell them to fix their statistics, for instance. Classic passive-aggressive bullying tactics.) Nobody should be even slightly surprised this is going to get abused. All that will happen if Madigan gets her way is that when fake cases (like the University of Virginia case) come to the fore, real cases will start getting ignored. Of course by then she'll probably be running for governor on some other issue by then so it can get swept under the rug. Ah... Illinois politics...
jj at April 24, 2015 2:20 PM
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