Looks like the Dreyfuss email is fake based on Nick's update on his post. How wonderful that Dreyfuss posted a fake email that will be passed around and re-Tweeted bunches of times, and then can be called out about how conservatives and Republicans are so stupid to fall for it thereby working as distraction in Clinton's favor. I don't give two tugs of a dead dog's leg that cons and Repubs get insulted (or any other political bent), but I hate the idea of that monster getting any cover.

Thanks, Chickity -- going to remove that from this post.

Kinda hard to do top secret work stuff w/o ever having top secret stuff sent to you but I'm just a simple person so what do I know.

Wonder if it took them 2 years to find any work related emails in the server?

Seriously, she may have taken great pains to not conduct work via email of any sort. Which begs the question, who did France email when they wanted to pass on sensitive material? How? (cell phones are easy to hack)

Also, any word on the second (first) server?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3198323/Hillary-s-emails-backed-server-exist-FBI-works-figure-data-scrubbed.html

Do you think the Chinese hacked us because they got tired of waiting for Hillary to do something top secret?

She has also tried the line 'Things weren't marked classified when I saw them.' Meaning she setup a little program on her server to strip the classified markings from anything that came in.

"She initially said she did not traffic in classified material from the account, but has since clarified that she meant none of the information was classified at the time."

That's bullshit. Either the subject matter is classified or it's not. Unclassified material does not magically become classified some time later. Ben nails it: she probably had some sendmail (or whatever) re-writing rules that either changed all the markings to unclassified, or just stripped them. Furthermore, as SecState, it is inconceivable that she didn't have any clue which information was classified. She was the person with the legal authority for the classification guidelines for the entire State Department!

And let's not forget this: The classified email system is called SIPRNET, and it has no direct connection to any unclassified network. The only way to get stuff out of SIPRNET, other than a few very specialized servers that the NSA maintains, is to sneakernet it. Now, around the military, you have to go into a special room and use a special computer to access SIPRNET, and the computer is set up so that all removable media is disabled. You have to have special access to get digital data from SIPRNET to another system. We know that Hillary had her own private intel network, run by Sidney Bluemthal, but surely all of the classified info wasn't originating with Blumenthal's handful of people.

So who in the Blumenthal network was the SIPRNET insider who was able to move classified material back and forth to Hillary's server? And what incentives was that person offered for doing that favor? Was that person being paid under the table by the Clinton Foundation? And what else were they being paid to do?

There's zero chance here that anyone not as well connected as Clinton would not already be indicted for violations of the Federal Records Act and the Freedom of Information Act, for starters. But there's got to be a whole lot more to it. Why were they doing all this? Why bother? My guess is that Hillary was using her position and contacts to cut business deals abroad, accept bribes, move some contraband, or a bit of all of the above. So on top of the above, we're probably looking at violations of national security laws, export control laws, and the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

Hillary will, of course, walk. She'll probably just continue to stonewall, and rely on the fact that she's so well connected that there is no one outside of her sphere of influence with the authority to prosecute her. If necessary, either her camp will make it worth Obama's while monetarily and status-wise to pardon her (perhaps in exchange for a promised appointment to the Supreme Court), or, once she's elected, she'll just shut down the prosecution, and then secretly pardon herself. (And you can bet that bit of classified info will remain secret.)

This is part of the sickening feeling one gets when tending nukes for the Navy: that unless that potato got elected, it had no chance whatsoever of setting foot on an American warship because it would fail background checks.

Yes, your President wouldn't pass, either. And it's not the first time...

If you think the prez is bad don't look at the congress critters Rad. It is amazing how democracy works. People you wouldn't trust to clean your toilet you put in charge of trillions of dollars and weapons of mass destruction.

I suspect that a lot of what happened is not that classified emails were stripped of their markings, but something more innocuous and just as stupid.

As someone who has held a TS security clearance in the past, and attended a few classified briefings, I suspect that Clintons staff, and Hillary herself, attended many briefings where they learned items of information, that were classified. which they then passed on, between themselves, or to third parties in private insecure emails.

They had no understanding of what *classified* information is,

I don't know, Isab... you've been through Infosec training, and you know how they beat it into your head. Maybe State doesn't do that. Maybe those people were uncleared and had no concept of data classification. But if so, that's entirely on Hillary; she was the person in the room directed by the Preidential executive order to establish the info security regime for the department.

It appears that ultra-sensitive satellite intel observations concerning North Korean nuclear missile installations was found on Hillary's server, and that was what led to the matter being referred to Justice. That was un-ignorable. It did not originate from one of Hillary's staffers. It came from the NSA, and from a facility known as a "SCIF". Normally, nothing that is in a SCIF leaves the room, under any circumstances. Intel information of this sort doesn't even go on SIRPNET. Hillary must have had an operative inside the NSA who had access privileges to pull info from NSA systems and pass it to her. There is zero possibility that anyone with a security clearance would have failed to recognize the classified nature of the information.

The question must be asked at this point: Was Hillary, or one of her people, working for the other side? I'm sure her less-well-connected staffers are getting the anal exam now. And there aren't very many people inside the NSA who could have provided the access. What was their motivation? Were they bribed, blackmailed, or perhaps coerced by the White House? Someone needs to ask Obama this question now: "What did you know, and when did you know it?" In a previous era, Hillary herself was the one asking that question.

To summarize it bluntly: This is the most serious information leak in U.S. history since the Rosenberg spy ring. "I didn't realize that information was classified" does not pass the smell test.

To summarize it bluntly: This is the most serious information leak in U.S. history since the Rosenberg spy ring. "I didn't realize that information was classified" does not pass the smell test.
Posted by: Cousin Dave at September 2, 2015 10:57 AM

You are correct. It does not. Knowing Hillary, she paid very little attention to the classification system.

It didn't apply to her. Just silly little rules for the peons to follow. She also thought she could cover it all up by wiping the server.

This is what people do who are sure that they are *above the law*.

"It didn't apply to her. Just silly little rules for the peons to follow. "

Y'know, you could be right. For weeks now I've been trying to figure out what was Hillary's angle. You know that most of the time, when these sorts of things happen, the perp is doing it for money or love or because they are being blackmailed. I'm been trying to ascribe one of these motives to her. I think it's still possible, but your explanation sound plausible too: "I'm Hillary Clinton! Why should I have to be inconvenienced by going to a SCIF? I should be able to look at this information on my phone while the limo drives me to Georgetown for dinner!"

The whole thing is just bizarre on one level. She had her whole under-the-table intel network, run by Bluementhal. Why? What did she get out of that? Ego stroke? Maybe. Why did Nixon do what he did? He was going to win the election anyway. The more I look at Hillary, the more I see Nixon redux.

Physically unattractive, thinks people are out to get them, not that charismatic, pragmatic to the point of mercenary, ... there are a lot of parallels between Nixon and Hillary.

there are a lot of parallels between Nixon and Hillary. ~ Posted by: Ben at September 2, 2015 1:55 PM

Both were big government crony capitalists.

There was one significant difference, however. Nixon knew how to run a campaign.

Ben Dreyfuss is obviously joking. Diana has been dead for 18 years for God's sake.

Yeah Cousin Dave. Most of us who work in the real world have info sec training. It is drilled over and over in us That anything we say in an email might be liable or end up on the front page of a newspaper one day. Like that Fab guy at Goldman Sach who called clients moppets. He is so no one as a VP ( what are they 10,000 at Goldman?) but the press knows that to many (as it did to my young self when I assumed my peon dad was second in command) will think, this guy has power so they run with it and ruin the guy. Of course Goldman should have had good enough an info sec team to cut him loose. At my firm, they are all over it all the time (Dave, your friend needs to stop fwd those funny emails).

Point is Hillary and her adoring press are doing their best to work the rubes and the over 60 crowd. She is over 60 -and she knows better. I KNOW what can and can not be said or fed in email. If she doesn't, she shouldn't be President.

Her excuse today? "I know this MUST be so confusing to YOU." How she is let off for this.