Kinda feel sorry for them.

They bought the "party line" hook line and sinker and don't like the taste.

They really should just appeal to Obama for a total redo of the election, police department, and everything else.

I'm sure there's some good people available from Syria right now.

If Breanna's head were any further up her ass, she could crawl up inside herself and disappear.

"In Chicago, police receive 40% of our city's budget to remain operational. That is completely unheard of and unacceptable."

I've been trying to find information as to what percent of the city's budget the police departments in major cities normally get. She claims 40% is "unheard of" and "unacceptable." I'm calling BS. Sounds about right to me. I can't imagine New York City or Los Angeles is that much different.

How many minorities work for Chicago PD?

That's what I thought too Patrick. It sounds right for Dallas and Houston. Heck, it is right for most states as well. Education takes almost half of the budget and police/fire takes the other half. The rest is almost a rounding error.

The logic in this post doesn't necessarily follow. Suppose that the police in Chicago concentrate most of their crime prevention efforts in white areas. Suppose that their activities in the black community consist mainly of harassing blacks, law-abiding as well as criminal.

IF the foregoing were the case, defunding the police wouldn't hurt blacks, and might benefit them. Some criminals who currently prey on blacks would switch focus to higher-value white targets if their police protection were gone.

I'm NOT saying that the police operate as outlined above. I am saying that you need to show they aren't if you want to claim that police funding benefits the black community.

Do you know what happens when you defund your police department? The police issue more tickets to those who make stupid mistakes and can't defend themselves in the justice system, in order to make up the difference.

Rex Little, that's simply silly. There are a great number of black on black crimes in Chicago. Scroll down to race of victim/assailant:

http://heyjackass.com

Matt - not if you fire the cops. Also, only idiots would ever allow fines or property forfeitures to go to the agencies collecting them, but most political bodies are collectively idiots.

There actually have been cases where the PD went on strike and crime decreased as people took steps to protect themselves. That wasn't even counting the unreported crimes that cops let each other get away with - and Chicago seems to be worse than most cities in that respect. Even when the Chicago PD is acting like police rather than an armed gang, they are required by the lefty city government to spend quite a lot of effort on preventing residents from protecting themselves. If you closed down the PD and every resident with $300 and a clean enough record to pass the federal NICS check promptly bought a pistol, it is possible that honest people would be safer - except that I suspect the same social pathology that created the city government and the PD would infect any self-defense efforts.

I just checked the financial reports for my town, Grand Rapids, Mich. Police and Fire is 70% of general fund expenditures. (Schools are separate from the city.) There are some funds separate from the general fund, which are rather difficult to classify, but I doubt they change the overall percentage much.

Now, IMO the percentage ought to be higher. A city needs police, firemen, and roads - and roads don't seem to be getting much funding here. Everything else that's really needed shouldn't be much more than a rounding error.

I just looked at Birmingham, Alabama's budget, and I was surprised that only 23% of the city budget goes towards police. However, it is possible that the raw amount (about $92M) is higher on a per-capita basis than Chicago is, being that Birmingham proper only has a population of about 380,000. It's worth noting that 34% of Birmingham's budget goes towards pensions and health insurance for pensioners, and the pension fund still has a shortfall.

If Breanna's head were any further up her ass, she could crawl up inside herself and disappear.

That would form a black hole and...wait...I've been informed that's raaaaaaaacist! and that I should denounce myself and report to a re-education camp.

I'm NOT saying that the police operate as outlined above. I am saying that you need to show they aren't if you want to claim that police funding benefits the black community.

Go here: http://spotcrime.com/il/chicago
Then search on demographics in Chicago, and the wikipedia link contains a map of African-American population created by Stephen Frankel of the University of Illinois and visually compare them.

Guess what? for the most part they correlate very well. Then, knowing what the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) tell us about perps and victims, that for the most part:

blacks kill blacks
whites kill whites
hispanics kill hispanics
others kill others

with less than 10% being across race lines, it'll be open season on those people because despite the McDonald ruling, the non-criminal class in those areas are not very likely to be legally possessing a firearm.

Interesting that they don't want to clean out the corruption that allowed the CPD to have an off-book detention and interrogation center, or remove from office the people that sat on the investigation and prosecution for political reasons.

NO, they want to be the ones in charge of the corruption, knowing that they'll make loads of money for themselves. Maybe they can break Kwame Kilpatrick out of prison to run the city?

CD,

How Birmingham separates out their police/fire pensions may be the trick. A lot of places police pensions are under the police budget. And they can be a huge part of that budget.

Rex Little, that's simply silly. There are a great number of black on black crimes in Chicago.

I don't dispute that. My question is, do the police do much to reduce black-on-black crime? Or is that reduction more than offset by police-on-black crime/misconduct? I honestly don't know whether or not this is the case in Chicago, but I have no doubt that there are cities where it is.

Insanity: the idea that a) black/black crime will go away if cops do, and b) that the lack of police will produce better social order.

Come on Rad.

If there are no cops you can't report any crimes. And as everyone knows if no crimes are reported then there must have not been any crimes. Ergo if you disband the police there will be no crimes.

The cousin of this argument is if you arrest all the victims then there won't be anyone for the criminals to take advantage of. Ergo no more crimes. This one is a favorite of school administrators.