A Bit On The Realities Of Islam From That Right-Wing Hater, John Quincy Adams
"John Quincy Adams (our most learned President) ... studied Islam in depth," notes Hugh Fitzgerald at JW in an interesting long read, "Apologists for Islam and History."
A quote from Adams's observations about Islam:
The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force.








Let's worry about this!
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Crid at March 20, 2016 1:44 AM
Well we could always throw them a baby shower or let them babysit our babies and show them that not think Muslims are EVIL.
I know statistically lightning strikes are more deadly but Brussels shows us a pattern. Do we ignore it and assume that maybe it takes 20 years before it's a problem here?
Before the telegraph outlaws were hidden by their families from the consequences of their out-of-town crimes. So we've BTDT and are doing it already in portions of our big cities (different crime families do intimidate neighborhoods).
So ignore it all. It does not affect us here (yet) and when it does it will be in someone else's neighborhood.
Guess if you are black a group of white guys wearing sheets are okay neighbors because it's statistically unlikely that they will commit crimes other than burning a cross or two.
Bob in Texas at March 20, 2016 7:04 AM
Brussels shows how Islam's tenets play out in real life.
Obviously (and yawn, it still seems necessary to say this), all Muslims do not follow Islam -- a totalitarian system masquerading as a religion -- as it commands they do.
Crid has maintained this stance "I'm not going to take any meaningful look at the religion; I'll just sneer when you, as a person who has and continues to, post about it."
However, anyone who has taken a look at the religion in any moderately in-depth way can see that Islam has failsafes against reform and is basically totalitarian and against everything most of us in free Western societies believe in and stand for.
Amy Alkon at March 20, 2016 8:38 AM
Totally!! Fear, right? They have religion on their side, so there's nothing we can do!
And Amy "knows all about" Islam!...
...Except for when you ask simple, obvious questions about it, and she's got nuthin'.
But she knows the exciting parts, the parts you need to be smirkingly afraid of! The sheeple stuff... Those will be our guiding principles! Onward, oblivious bedwetters!
Crid at March 20, 2016 8:52 AM
Simple, obvious questions?
Weren't you just cussing the TSA?
Why do you think they were established?
Radwaste at March 20, 2016 11:36 AM
you think they were established?
Radwaste at March 20, 2016 11:36 AM
Not because of Islam.
200 million Muslims in Indonesia, and not one of them was in on the 9/11 terrorist attack.
Isab at March 20, 2016 1:20 PM
Unfortunately, Indonesia may not be the best example of non-violent Islam.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/opinion/no-model-for-muslim-democracy.html?_r=0
Conan the Grammarian at March 20, 2016 3:32 PM
Unfortunately, Indonesia may not be the best example of non-violent Islam.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/opinion/no-model-for-muslim-democracy.html?_r=0
Conan the Grammarian at March 20, 2016 3:32 PM
You missed my point. There are violent sects everywhere. Grievance mongers and those who aspire to political power and jihad, use Islam as a rallying banner.
If pan Arab nationalism hadn't hitched its banner to fundamentalist Islam, it would have been something else.
No one should be judged by their beliefs. Only by what they do.
If you are a white supremacist, fine. That is your constitutional right. Go around bombing black churches, they should fry your ass.
There isn't anything we can do about Islam. It has too many world wide adherents and 20 percent of teenagers in France are Islamic now. In my opinion we need to get over this chicken little screeching about the dangers of Islam, and start focusing on catching and killing terrorists, whatever their motivations.
Ten more years of handwringing, and invectives against Islam, and the next confrontation in the Middle East may end up being at a genocidal level.
Dithering over Islam has already destroyed the EU. Wonder which bastion of western civilization will be next?
Isab at March 20, 2016 6:58 PM
"Not because of Islam."
Wow, selective memory much?
The TSA was established in response to the threat represented by Muslim terrorists, who were successful in their plot to bring down the World Trade Center on 9/11.
Perhaps you have heard of that.
Here is their statement, right on their Web page:
"On the morning of September 11, 2001, nearly 3,000 people were killed in a series of coordinated terrorist attacks in New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia. The attacks resulted in the creation of the Transportation Security Administration, designed to prevent similar attacks in the future. Driven by a desire to help our nation, tens of thousands of people joined TSA and committed themselves to strengthening our transportation systems while ensuring the freedom of movement for people and commerce."
Now, if you have some secret information that suggests that suicide bombers are more likely to be Amish, put it right here.
Radwaste at March 20, 2016 7:31 PM
"In my opinion we need to get over this chicken little screeching about the dangers of Islam, and start focusing on catching and killing terrorists, whatever their motivations."
I had no idea that actually quoting passages from the Koran, and citing news reports about what self-identified Muslims are doing, was "chicken little screeching".
Meanwhile, about "catching and killing" -- just what do you think is being done?
"...whatever their motivations."
Really? Wow.
Radwaste at March 20, 2016 7:38 PM
> Why do you think they were
> established?
Wouldn't it be totalballs cunveenyint, in the shitsmirking Al Gore sense of the word, to think that the problem was in a book written hundreds of years ago in the some indescribably remote corner of human habitation?
Sure it would! Because...
Well, actually, I can't imagine why Amy (et al.) are so eager to think that... (I mean, they're not going to travel back in time and withdraw publication)...
Except that, y'know, they think it authorizes them to squeal Sheeple! a lot.
Listen, by the time I was 8 or 13 or 24 or 37 or 42 or 55, it felt like I had acquired plenty enough reason to make social distance from others. I carried this insight loosely in my pocket... I would always be ready, at a moment's notice, to demonstrate distinct identity to those with less courage, less decency, and less clarity. (And OTHERS.) There's no need today to compose a transparently bogus scaffolding of detachment from the perceptions of the less-attuned.
Amy's affirming distinction on a very shallow, slender and naive platform of readings.
I shouldn't be so annoyed.
But she'd seemed so integrated to the challenging and demanding awareness brought to every literate person by the internet itself... This is a bad hour to pull up the ladder to one's treehouse and affirm that one knows things others don't.
Especially when it's so blindingly obvious one does not.
Hey Amy--- How many Moozlims in Indonesia? Sunni or Shia? Does it matter?
Crid at March 20, 2016 7:52 PM
It's remarkable that Raddy reads this correctly... And is still into it.
Good luck out there!
Because religion!
Crid at March 20, 2016 7:54 PM
Remember:
Crid at March 20, 2016 7:57 PM
Who knows? Maybe if they could use modern electronics, they'd be setting IEDS all over Pennsylvania.
I think the Amish are in cahoots with the caliphate. I hear their furniture factories are full of Ottomans.
Conan the Grammarian at March 20, 2016 8:03 PM
Meanwhile, about "catching and killing" -- just what do you think is being done?
"...whatever their motivations."
Really? Wow.
Radwaste at March 20, 2016 7:38 PM
I think the socialist humanitarian European fuckwits who were busy congratulating each other on how superior their intellect and their compassion is to *ole cowboy Bush* just opend the doors wide and let a bunch of terrorists posing as refugees in.
What do YOU think they were doing?
And what I think is being done, is a bunch of handwriting about Islam while the US government allowed their idiot president to put an executive agreement in place to give the Iranians a nuclear warhead, on a missed that will reach the US.
Did you miss this? Or is all the nifty platitudes coming out of DC the only thing you listen to?
Isab at March 20, 2016 9:32 PM
> their furniture factories
> are full of Ottomans.
A reach. A desperate reach.
Still, I think he earns the Weekend McMuffin coupon.
Crid at March 20, 2016 10:32 PM
Speaking of right wing haters:
Jeff Guinn at March 21, 2016 2:05 AM
"Did you miss this?"
Straw man, Isab. The subject was why the TSA was established. Now you offer Presidential negotiations instead. Classic.
Focus.
Radwaste at March 21, 2016 6:57 AM
"Did you miss this?"
Straw man, Isab. The subject was why the TSA was established. Now you offer Presidential negotiations instead. Classic.
Focus.
Radwaste at March 21, 2016 6:57 AM
Not it wasn't. The subject was John Quincy Adams on the supposed evils of Islam.
You even mischaracterized why the TSA was formed. It was formed as a jobs program as a sop to the Democratic Party to get them to vote to really do something about terrorisism. I.e. The war in the Middle East.
It remains because the beneficiaries of TSA jobs are mostly democratic voters.
So thanks to Obama we ended the effective part, and kept funding the ineffective part which is pretty much the story of his entire administrations approach to things.
Oh, and did you know we have boots on the ground back in Iraq? Not enough to actually do anything, just enough so Obama can't be accused of doing nothing.
Isab at March 21, 2016 8:52 AM
This is why the TSA exists.
Jeff Guinn at March 21, 2016 10:02 AM
I quoted the TSA Web page, which was the subject at the time. Mr. Adams' comment is the topic.
Look for this:
"Weren't you just cussing the TSA? Why do you think they were established?"
Glad I could clear that up for you. Read back if you need to.
Now you're going on about Iranian nukes. Have you noticed just how far from reason you are? Please check.
Radwaste at March 21, 2016 7:11 PM
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