Gay Talese Unable To Name A Single Inspiring Female Writer. Women Are Aghast. My Response: So What.
Panty-bunched women at a journalism conference apparently marched out of the room when Gay Talese couldn't name a female non-fiction writer who'd inspired him.
From the New York Daily News, Laura Bult reports:
Women writers didn't inspire Gay Talese because they aren't interested in "uneducated" or "anti-social" types, the literary journalist said Saturday to a stunned audience of female journalists.Talese was speaking at a Boston University conference on journalism called "The Power of Narrative" when he was asked by an audience member which women writers inspired him.
Unable to conjure the name of a single woman, the "New Journalism" pioneer apparently dug himself deeper in a hole, shocking the audience of reporters and writers, many of whom were women.
"I didn't know any women writers that I loved," Talese said, before rejecting the suggestion from another audience member that Joan Didion may have influenced him because she didn't "report on anti-social ppl," according to a tweet from NBC reporter Andrea Swalec.
After Talese was unable to name a non-fiction women writer, he mentioned that he admired the novelist and poet George Eliot, the 19th century author of "Middlemarch," according to Janelle Lawrence, a freelance writer based in Boston who was in the audience.
"Many women walked out of the #gaytalese talk," tweeted journalist Michelle Garcia.
They asked him for his view and he gave it.
I don't agree with everyone I go to hear speak, nor do I share all of their views -- nor do I need to to find them worth hearing.
I likewise don't need them to agree with me or find writers with vaginas "inspiring." (P.S. I do happen to be a fan of Joan Didion's writing.)
The notion that it is horrifying that Gay Talese wouldn't have a female writer he finds inspiring -- and doesn't seem to care to lie -- shows how women, who claim to be equal to men, are actually too hurt feelz to manage in a number of venues.
Talese's great Sinatra profile, Frank Sinatra Has A Cold, is here. Esquire's note at the top:
In the winter of 1965, writer Gay Talese arrived in Los Angeles with an assignment from Esquire to profile Frank Sinatra.The legendary singer was approaching fifty, under the weather, out of sorts, and unwilling to be interviewed.
So Talese remained in L.A., hoping Sinatra might recover and reconsider, and he began talking to many of the people around Sinatra -- his friends, his associates, his family, his countless hangers-on -- and observing the man himself wherever he could.
The result, "Frank Sinatra Has a Cold," ran in April 1966 and became one of the most celebrated magazine stories ever published, a pioneering example of what came to be called New Journalism -- a work of rigorously faithful fact enlivened with the kind of vivid storytelling that had previously been reserved for fiction.
The piece conjures a deeply rich portrait of one of the era's most guarded figures and tells a larger story about entertainment, celebrity, and America itself.
Somehow, the fact that he isn't "inspired" by Joan Didion does not change that.








That's hilarious. A man should go through that series of escalating audience questions without a single moment of weakness -- untouched, and confident. They are so used to being pampered, accomodated, caving and cowardice, that the sequence would be gold.
Stephan at April 2, 2016 1:36 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2016/04/gay-talese-unab.html#comment-6466017">comment from StephanExactly.
I suspect that if you gave him pieces of writing by some women, he'd find writers he likes. (Or not -- that's okay.)
Personally, probably due to ADHD, memory is not my strong suit.
Ask me my favorite movie. Go ahead -- ask!
I will remember about two movies I've seen -- and give you my stock answer (since age 10): "Blazing Saddles."
And this despite having friends who have done beautiful, Academy Award-winning movies I loved and admire them for. I just remembered that now, while thinking about this, but I wouldn't think of that in the moment.
Amy Alkon
at April 2, 2016 1:45 PM
I reject the premise (it's not yours) that one has to read in an egalitarian way. Intellectual & artistic "extremism" and purity are valuable, as contrast, in terms of clarity, excellence, and diversity. Call it specialization, a component of pluralism -- what's clear is that its unique. (A similar argument supports not reading others' work, any of it, in order to preclude foreign influence & assimilation.) Support entirely manly and entirely feminine thinkers.
You are right about memory, and stress.
Personally, I'm interested in women (the reasons not overwhelmingly "egalitarian"), how they feel, and think. There's beauty to them. (Arguably, less so for a gay man.) What are your favorite books by women, Amy?
Stephan at April 2, 2016 2:13 PM
Books by women -- can't think of them at the moment.
I like an essay, "On self-respect," by Joan Didion.
I like Fran Lebowitz.
I need a nap.
Oh, and I really like Jonathan Gottschall's "Professor in the Cage," a book by a man about men, why men fight, etc.
Does that make me a bad SJW sister? (I hope so!)
Amy Alkon at April 2, 2016 2:28 PM
Link to Gottschall:
http://amzn.to/25Dk8dd
Title: The Professor in the Cage: Why Men Fight and Why We Like to Watch
Just out in paperback.
Just gave a copy to my accountant and gave one to my copyeditor for Xmas.
Best book I read this past year.
Amy Alkon at April 2, 2016 2:30 PM
OMG! That is actually kind of funny. When I'm reading I don't always wonder or care about the gender, race, age, etc. of the writer. I'm just reading something because I like it.
And really, just what does it mean to comment something like "she's a really good woman writer" anyway? Is it sort of like the Oscars where they categorize every award; e.g. best male lead, best female lead, etc.
Does commenting on the "category" of a writer mean that they can't be compared to other writers who are a different category?
Which reminds me of an answer that Thurgood Marshall gave to a reporter when asked if he thought his being on the Supreme Court made life better for Black Americans; he said that he hoped that his serving on the Supreme Court made life better for ALL Americans.
Shouldn't the same be said for writers? Do we really need to care about the "category" of the writer so much? Quite frankly, and no offense Amy, I like your blog (and books) because I like your writing. Your gender, your age, your red hair don't mean squat to me. Although that fly swatter has me wondering. Are you, like, getting ready to swat all the flies that come buzzing around from the daily BS we all endure in life?
P.S. by "category" I don't mean what genre they write in I mean their ethnicity, age, gender, etc. Of course, the genre matters.
charles at April 2, 2016 2:44 PM
If they're going to get all pouty like that, I'm not sure we could recommend them for any management positions. \
For the record I didn't notice at all when Ruth Plumly Thompson took over writing the OZ series from L. Frank Baum. I thought they were great. Of course I was 11 and had no concept/social construct about gender hysteria. Oh my. I suppose even using the term 'hysteria' is misogyny.
Canvasback at April 2, 2016 3:08 PM
Amy,
I've considered Prof in the Cage a handful of times. Decided to look for a classic account instead -- Tacitus, Cicero..., up to Clausewitz.
"I need a nap."
I like that one. Though it's a dangerous story, when it turns into the story of one's life.
Back to women, there are books, like Mandeville's Fable of the Bees, that explain "the world". I'm interested in a female, incl. feminine, take. Something not by a self-described feminist.
Stephan at April 2, 2016 3:34 PM
This will be (says Goog) the fifth citation of the passage, but its garlic is as pungent as ever:
Crid at April 2, 2016 8:44 PM
Finally thought of a female non fiction author I find inspiring
Anyone who feminists hate for exposing the fraud
lujlp at April 3, 2016 9:03 PM
Had I been in that position, being asked a gotcha question by some smug J-school student, I would have been strongly tempted to answer with: "Ann Coulter".
Cousin Dave at April 4, 2016 8:56 AM
"Finally thought of a female non fiction author I find inspiring
Anyone who feminists hate for exposing the fraud"
They sure do hate on Christina Hoff-Summer.
Jim at April 4, 2016 10:17 AM
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