Oh, FFS. There's not nearly enough face palms.

And Johnny, a word? don't marry the next one. Or the one after that. Repeat.

I think both of them expect Depp will give her a financial package to make her go away, and maybe if she didn't check that box on the divorce papers, he wouldn't have to?

She might say she gave up jobs to travel to Australia to live with him while he filmed "Pirates of the Caribbean" or to stay by his mother's sick bed. Maybe she'll say he made her life a living hell by drinking and being high all the time, and she had to take care of him. Who knows. She'll be armed with something.

If the court (California) were to decide, I think at most she'd be able to get half of what he earned during those 15 months--but not enough to survive forever at the Depp standard of living.

I'm going to go ahead and make the bold assumption that Depp's name and fortune are why she married him. Take a look at the body language in photos from before they were even married. Also consider that Heard dated women until Depp initiated a courtship. She would be an incompetent gold digger if she didn't even make an attempt for "support."

After this, my money is on Heard 1) dating women again and 2) eventually marrying a director or someone else who can boost her career.

"And Johnny, a word? don't marry the next one. Or the one after that. Repeat."

He was famous for NOT marrying them. He didn't even marry the mother of his children, although for all intents and purposes, she was his wife for 15 years. (He had one other wife in the 80s before he became famous, but he didn't marry Kate Moss, Jennifer Grey, Winona, etc.)

I don't know what it was about Amber Heard (aside from her beauty, but Depp attracts LOTS of great beauties). He famously tracked her down, wooed her with daily flowers and poetry, and pushed past her reluctance to marry him. He even had the set from "The Rum Diaries" reconstructed on his private island, so they could relive their first moments of passion.

And no pre-nup.

"At some point, you have made enough and it's time to share the wealth".

15 months? Johnny should just offer a one time payment of $15 million, $1 million per month. Shows good faith on his part and how greedy is she. If she turns it down, then she gets 0.

And no pre-nup.

Note to self: vajayjays make men stoooopid.

As in really stoooopid.

I just don't understand why more men don't want to get married.

It's a puzzler.

Playing hard to get seems to have worked in this case.

Never heard of Amber Heard.

It's especially annoying when people with tremendous resources chew the calendars of family courts which might be given to splits and resolutions for poor families, choices which are likely to be much more consequential for children.

Nonetheless, these are the games that heterosexuals (and now homosexuals) in our culture like to play. Given the irrelevance of the outcome (and we have been through this before), it's almost like these overwrought showbiz divorces is how they pretend to be like normal people.

They're assholes,but assholes have a right to court too.

Crid, you're brilliant. No, seriously. This would make great reality TV:

Judge Judy: Celebrity Divorce Court

Frees up the real family courts for real, err, mundane cases, and give the celebs their own special court!

Eh, I don't feel too sorry for a vain, aging geezer who apparently thought that a girl young enough to be his daughter wuved him for himself.

That being said, if you have an appreciable amount of assets, get a pre-nup, regardless if you're male or female. IIRC Star Jones got stuck paying out a fortune to her ex too.

words of wisdom in Gif form:

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My visceral reaction: It's Hollywood, so it has no bearing on the rest of us. But Hollywood these days tends to be the cultural arbiters.

http://blog.sfgate.com/dailydish/2016/05/27/amber-heard-files-domestic-violence-restraining-order-against-johnny-depp/

as Insufficient Poison linked... this guy may be a real piece of work.

Or he may have had an elaborate con run on him "you can't hide, your lyin' eyes."

So the potential abuse is a card she's playing... BUT.

Dunno that Johnny's necessarily daft.
She asks for too much, get's a shiner to seal it, but then a PI trots out enough evidence against her of something, something und viola!

She gets nada.

Each one of these is a story, and rarely is everyone angelic. Maybe he was totally smitten, and she got him vulnerable, but there is quite a difference in money he can go after her with.

:shrug: we may see a new output of darker brooding films from him. There's nothing like heartache to bring out the artiste in an actor.

Spousal support was supposed to keep 50 year old (women, typically) who had stayed home and raised the kids and kept the house and thrown the dinner parties, from being destitute if their husband divorced them. Because at that age, getting a career would be improbable and the working spouse had benefitted from the one staying home. Did amber do any of those things?

I call BS on that injury. Fresh wounds are red. Healing ones are yellow/purple/blue. Yet she debuts this a week after filing, and much longer after leaving him?,why wouldn't she have called the cops when it happened, that would have bolstered her case more. I'm guessing because it didn't happen.ni could be wrong though.

I wouldn't put too much stock in the alleged injury. That can be faked with make-up and some knowledge on how to apply it to make it look real.

I wouldn't put too much stock in the alleged injury. That can be faked with make-up and some knowledge on how to apply it to make it look real.

Just curious, but why is anyone entitled to the "lifestyle to which they are accustomed"?

Suppose Brangelina stay married and for some reason the lucrative offers dry up for them. They have no savings or investments so they become homeless. (And this does happen to celebrities, such as Danny Bonaduce, Willie Aames, Margot Kidder and others.)

Now, they would be expected, like these other celebrities, to take it in stride and do the best they can. The government has not decided, "Oh, this is terrible! They can't live the life to which they're accustomed! We have to step in and give them the luxury homes they're used to!" (And least it hasn't decided that yet.)

So, why, if Brangelina divorce, is she suddenly entitled to the lifestyle to which she is accustomed? And at his expense?

Suppose Brad Pitt's fortunes dwindle? And in paying spousal support, there is literally nothing left for him?

What I'm asking is, why does being divorced entitle to you a lifestyle that you weren't entitled to when you were married?

If Brangelina go broke, that's their problem, basically. But if they divorce, she's somehow now immune from this, even if it takes every last penny out of his pocket?

This rationale just kills me. If your marriage doesn't work out, you are entitled to nothing. Spousal support, if it exists at all, should only be enough to provide a roof over your head and enough food to keep you from starving.

Because Angelina Jolie is rich now, that doesn't mean anyone has the obligation to protect her from -- God forbid! -- moving into her parents' basement and laundering her own off-the-rack designer-copied clothes from Wal-Mart.

I'm recall a divorce case where a couple had been together, on and off, for decades - married and divorced and remarried.

On the second divorce she demanded half his assets (at the time about $500M). After hiring three law firms and flying attorneys around the US on his dime, first class, lobsters and champagne, etc., she received less than $8M.

She then sued her attorneys, because her now-ex had been forced to pay out of his pocket for her abusive lawyer fees - and they took THAT out of the settlement and she didn't want to pay now that it was her money.

Funny thing was - her husband knew she wasn't entitled to half due to how the money had been made (a complex series of stock swaps made while they were not married) - and had offered her $10M, the house, the car, etc., and she had turned it down.

Poor baby. Never did hear if she got the fees reduced.

“if you love two people at the same time, choose the second. Because if you really loved the first one, you wouldn't have fallen for the second.” Johnny Depp.

Understand, this comes from someone that has never been in a romantic or sexual relationship: For a little while, I thought there was a lot of truth to the statement, but then it occurred to me that any long term relationship, you might not be as in love with the person but if the person is still good and decent, it is worth sticking out to continue to build something more beautiful than the lust you initially felt. So I am guessing that is what happened with him and his ex partner and the mother of his children, Vanessa Paradis. He had been with her and started to grow bored with the woman that stuck by him for over a decade and he "fell in love" with the much younger Amber Heard, because it was exciting and he is Johnny Depp and has that option. So he took his own advice and tossed aside Vanessa's loyalty and love for the new shiny thing (that he apparently pursued), because he felt there must have been something wrong with his relationship with Vanessa, and now Amber is feeling constricted and wants out while she is still young enough to salvage her own career.

As read on Twitter: "and there it is..."
Interestingly Johnny's mom just died on the 20th, and 3 days later, she files... plus a movie release that'll probably tank...

"In it, they also issued a thinly veiled threat to Depp’s team, encouraging them to speedily grant Heard’s requests for spousal support, the condominium, her black 201 Range Rover, and $125,000 in her legal fees so that the split wouldn’t turn into a media firestorm—as it would have, the letter suggests, if they’d arranged for Depp to be “personally served” at his Alice 2 premiere."

When they met she was in a long term lesbian relatiinship with an artist. She quickly dumped her for Depp, the gossip was to secure Hollywood stardom. She isnt a good actress, beautiful but forgettable and uncharismatic. They BOTH rubbed their love in everyones faces, including Depp who is usually pretty private.

Nobody was surprised by any of it. Classic tale of bloated actor with young nobody.

Shtetl chided us the other day for talking about movie stars. I say movie stars are a fine topic as long as we find some insight from it. What's not to love?

In times like these I turn to the wisdom of one William Burr for insights into the human heart.

Priceless.

"I say movie stars are a fine topic as long as we find some insight from it. What's not to love?"

My fascination with celebrities is an extension of my fascination with evolutionary psychology and human nature. Often they're examples of what "we" would do if unhindered by lack of resources or sex appeal.

What led Johnny Depp to give this woman so much power when he could have had just about any woman and protected himself at the same time? That's really interesting to me.

Also, look at how many people with such covetable lives end up as self-destructing substance abusers (which Depp clearly is, whether or not he actually hit Amber Heard).

There is an old saying, "stupid should hurt" and in Mr. Depp's case no prenup is stupid and will hurt a great deal. Miss Heard proves once again the wisdom of P.T. Barney, "there's a sucker born every minute..."

Everything I've read about this situation indicates that she's trying to extort him into paying her 'alimony'. That's what she's calling it, though she isn't eligible for alimony. They weren't married long enough and she worked throughout the 15 month marriage.

Basically she wants him to give her nearly a million dollars a year and is threatening to ruin his career if he won't.

What's come out is that they had problems almost immediately and became estranged after a few months. It sounds like she continued having relationships with other women. He didn't want to divorce immediately to avoid embarrassment.

I doubt he assaulted her. The police saw no evidence of assault and she refused to file a report. Also the wound she modeled for the press shows a rubbing wound, not an impact wound, and it's fresh - it also has a tendency to move around her face.

> My fascination with celebrities is
> an extension of my fascination with
> evolutionary psychology and
> human nature.

Grandiose.

First, because "evolutionary psychology" is a bogus field of inquiry, no matter how proud its endowment. It's the pretense of the least successful, most often & readily corrupted of the healing arts masquerading in the dinner jacket of one of the most gifted thinkers, writers and innovators in history.

Kitten, it's all "evolutionary." If your enterprise were carrying its weight, you wouldn't feel the need to put people in a science-y frame of mind when you mentioned it.

Second, when I say all, that includes the little people, too. Human nature is no less readily observed in the lives of the enfeebled, the impoverished, the charmless and the ugly, all offering their examples with the same novelty as you'll see at red carpet arrivals.

But that George Clooney is just a dreamboat.

"First, because 'evolutionary psychology' is a bogus field of inquiry, no matter how proud its endowment. It's the pretense of the least successful, most often & readily corrupted of the healing arts masquerading in the dinner jacket of one of the most gifted thinkers, writers and innovators in history."

Come on. Your guy Michael Shermer uses the term all the time, most recently in reference to anti-science leftists who won't acknowledge its reality. I suppose we could call it "anthropology." But this is an Amy Alkon forum, and we know she's on the ev psych train.

"Second, when I say all, that includes the little people, too."

You're right of course, but who's saying I'm not interested in /them/?

"But that George Clooney is just a dreamboat."

Was. That dreamboat has sailed. But he got many more years than you've allowed Jolie. Women are thought to be "over the hill" (in your words) far earlier than men, and the reasons lie in our..."anthropology."

From "The Best of Dear Abby":

Dear Abby:

How about a letter from a "winner?" My married lover left his wife for me.

I was told that I wasn't breaking up anything; his marriage was dead long before he met me; his wife had gotten fat. I was married too, but I assured him that my marriage was also over; my husband had gotten dull and boring.

So I divorced my boring husband and he divorced his chubby wife. Oh, yes, we both had children, but we explained that we were both in love and when they were older they would understand.

Our marriage was a dream come true. No more lying and sneaking around. At long last we were legally man and wife for all the world to see.

Our apartment was filled with modern furniture and old-fashioned guilt, and plenty of doubt and mistrust.

Two years later he was meeting someone new. I told him he was a liar and a cheat. He said it took one to know one.

And by the way, he had gotten a little dull and boring, and I had put on a little weight.

Signed: A Winner.

I suspect that Vanessa Paradis, his long-time partner and mother of his children whom he left right before taking up with Heard, is having a good laugh about now.

I'm appalled at the way people are questioning the character of Heard. They think that a woman would develop an elaborate ruse to ruin Depp, going so far as to apply makeup to fool the public.

In this case, there are police reports, witnesses, and a history of abuse that has been published. Most of the time there are no witnesses. Most a use occurs behind closed doors.

I'll tell you the truth. It's humiliating. It's a failure. Most of the time, people don't believe you. If they do, they will ask what you did to provoke him.

It's no surprise that an abuser chooses someone who is weaker than him or "beneath" him in some way. Who would believe her? She is unsuccessful, or uneducated, or a gold digger, bisexual, or unnattractive. Perhaps she was gorgeous at one time, but he wore her down, or destroyed her looks. Yes, Heard is beautiful but she does not have the same power as he has.

How do you think Cosby got away with it for all those years. People attack the victims. It makes me sick.

In this case, there are police reports,reports that said no crime occurred, no damage was seen, no injuries were visible, and that Heard made no such claims about having a phone thrown at her face as hard as possible, and refused to press charges witnesses, and a history of abuse that has been published. drug abuse maybe

Then there is that oh so inconvenient time stamped photo that disappeared from Instagram taken less that twelve hours after being hit in the face hard enough to leave a two week bruise wherein no swelling or signs of damage are visible.