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I had no idea the publishing business was going that way... But it's still hard to care. In the male-dominated NYC print scene of my youth, people wrote and printed plenty of shitty books.
Recently I've been trying to charge through Caro's "The Power Broker" again. (It's kinda long.) I took a break to look up interviews with Caro on Youtube. One included words from his publisher/editor, named Gottlieb. Editing Caro! Great gig, right? I looked him up on Wikipedia, and learned this:
Gottlieb rejected John Kennedy Toole's initial manuscript of A Confederacy of Dunces. Toole made revisions over a two year period, but Gottlieb ultimately rejected the novel. Toole was crushed and spiraled into depression, eventually committed suicide in 1969. After Toole's death, his mother, Thelma Toole, in conjunction with author Walker Percy, had A Confederacy of Dunces published by the Louisiana State Press. John Kennedy Toole posthumously won the Pulitzer Prize for the work.
Now, I didn't like Confederacy, but people who care about such things regard it as an important work. I'll probably never care. I'm jus' sayin', to hear that the NYC publishing scene, especially as regards fiction, has fallen into lunacy is not actually all that distressing or surprising.
If people want to read shitty books, judging authors merely by identity politics, who cares? There are more ways for talented people to publish to like minds —and to truly receptive ones— than ever before. If SJW's in publishing fail to bring fulfillment to their audiences, they'll lose their jobs and their industry, right?
Y'know, the record business has gone to Hell… Almost no one makes money selling recordings any more. But plenty of people make good money performing. Music is alive, as is text, because…
Crid
at June 8, 2016 12:18 AM
…Because people tend to get their needs met, and to Hell with the rent & riches for the superstar middlemen. Read this piece about another corner of the publishing game.
Crid
at June 8, 2016 12:19 AM
Very interesting -- and not entirely surprising -- piece. A bit from it:
A writer, Michael Derrick Hudson, had his poem accepted into the anthology under the Chinese name Yi-Fen Chou, only to later reveal that he was a white man from Indiana who’d been perpetually rejected under his real name. There was a backlash, with Buzzfeed excoriating this talentless white patriarchal monster who should have “taken a hint” and stopped writing when he couldn’t get published. Some writers concede the vexed nature of getting published simply for being “exotic.” Ultimately though, they justify it based on the distinction between equality (equal treatment) and equity (equal access). That is, even if a white man is being discriminated against compared to a “translatina,” the white man faces fewer hurdles to publication (because his life is easier) and is still at an advantage despite the overt discrimination by publishing gatekeepers.
As for the Sci Hub article and his complaint about logging in for university access, the guy just needs to customize Google Scholar for his university's library.
ResearchGate is also very useful.
It is worlds easier to get academic papers than it ever was.
That is, even if a white man is being discriminated against compared to a “translatina,” the white man faces fewer hurdles to publication (because his life is easier) and is still at an advantage despite the overt discrimination by publishing gatekeepers.
Does that include a white guy who was born in Sumter County, Alabama to share croppers, compared to say a translatina from Los Alamos County, New Mexico born to scientists?
I R A Darth Aggie
at June 8, 2016 6:00 AM
Darwin Award worthy. I'll tease it with this: selfies and guns may not mix:
Acculturated suggests that, just maybe, the upcoming Frozen sequel isn't really going to be aimed at socially-conscious teens and adults, and it might be best to let little kids be little kids.
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com)
at June 8, 2016 7:47 AM
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers
at June 8, 2016 9:15 AM
It takes a higher level of education in order to commit a newer act of stupidity.
Sixclaws
at June 8, 2016 9:16 AM
Ack. Another "the gun accidentally discharged". ~ Radwaste at June 8, 2016 6:36 AM
I remember reading about a suicide note in which the author insisted his death be labelled as suicide as he did not want to go down in history as having accidentally fired his gun; didn't want history to record he was so stupid as to fool around with a loaded gun.
I believe the incident was described in Paul Fussell's Class or one of P. J. O'Rourke's books.
Conan the Grammarian
at June 8, 2016 9:16 AM
> It is worlds easier to get academic
> papers than it ever was.
Amy, that was precisely the fucking point.
Crid
at June 8, 2016 9:47 AM
University student jailed after sending fake 'rape confession' text message from ex-boyfriend's phone
Cocktails are the first thing offered after the TSA grope. Like a bad date in reverse.
Crid
at June 8, 2016 10:28 AM
“Let’s trend #GiveElsaAGirlfriend in hopes that @Disney will consider giving queer girls representation in princess form.”
Oh great, just what the world needs: a bunch of Disney-princess-worshipping lesbians. I can't imagine any group of people who would be more insufferable.
Cousin Dave
at June 8, 2016 12:12 PM
" I can't imagine any group of people who would be more insufferable."
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers
at June 8, 2016 12:40 PM
Hmmm...if this is true, then whomever came up with the idea should get a fat bonus:
What if the movie [Ghostbusters] is just awful and the geniuses at Sony are doing what they do with bad “Christian” films? What if it’s so bad and unfunny and such a betrayal of the original that the only marketing idea they have left is to make feminists feel obligated to go see it? And what if Sony is just trying to trick them into renting out movie theaters out of solidarity with the cause by running this bizarre social justice warrior style campaign?
In an intersting twist, the law firm behind the Trump University class action suit gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Clintons.
Conan the Grammarian
at June 8, 2016 5:14 PM
In another interesting twist, Florida's AG (a Democrat) announced her interest in joining the investigation of Trump University, whereupon she received a $25,000 campaign donation from Trump's folks and immediately abandoned her concerns.
Fascinating piece on the publishing industry.
http://www.returnofkings.com/87477/how-new-york-killed-male-literature
Good comment thread too.
Lastango at June 7, 2016 11:26 PM
> Fascinating piece on the
> publishing industry.
I had no idea the publishing business was going that way... But it's still hard to care. In the male-dominated NYC print scene of my youth, people wrote and printed plenty of shitty books.
Recently I've been trying to charge through Caro's "The Power Broker" again. (It's kinda long.) I took a break to look up interviews with Caro on Youtube. One included words from his publisher/editor, named Gottlieb. Editing Caro! Great gig, right? I looked him up on Wikipedia, and learned this:
Now, I didn't like Confederacy, but people who care about such things regard it as an important work. I'll probably never care. I'm jus' sayin', to hear that the NYC publishing scene, especially as regards fiction, has fallen into lunacy is not actually all that distressing or surprising.If people want to read shitty books, judging authors merely by identity politics, who cares? There are more ways for talented people to publish to like minds —and to truly receptive ones— than ever before. If SJW's in publishing fail to bring fulfillment to their audiences, they'll lose their jobs and their industry, right?
Y'know, the record business has gone to Hell… Almost no one makes money selling recordings any more. But plenty of people make good money performing. Music is alive, as is text, because…
Crid at June 8, 2016 12:18 AM
…Because people tend to get their needs met, and to Hell with the rent & riches for the superstar middlemen. Read this piece about another corner of the publishing game.
Crid at June 8, 2016 12:19 AM
Very interesting -- and not entirely surprising -- piece. A bit from it:
Amy Alkon at June 8, 2016 2:10 AM
As for the Sci Hub article and his complaint about logging in for university access, the guy just needs to customize Google Scholar for his university's library.
ResearchGate is also very useful.
It is worlds easier to get academic papers than it ever was.
Amy Alkon at June 8, 2016 2:17 AM
Libertarianism as Ten Questions Rather Than Ten Answers, by Ken White, a lawyer and free speech advocate I have a lot of respect for.
https://popehat.com/2016/06/02/libertarianism-as-ten-questions-rather-than-ten-answers/
Amy Alkon at June 8, 2016 2:23 AM
Maybe they can convince the lads to become women, and then send them to the Olympics?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3609949/Matildas-lose-7-0-Newcastle-Jets-15s-Rio-Olympics-warm-up.html
In fairness, the womyn were short their stars. On the other hand, their opponent wasn't a national team.
I R A Darth Aggie at June 8, 2016 4:51 AM
Iowahawk is on the job:
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/235713-2/
I R A Darth Aggie at June 8, 2016 5:51 AM
That is, even if a white man is being discriminated against compared to a “translatina,” the white man faces fewer hurdles to publication (because his life is easier) and is still at an advantage despite the overt discrimination by publishing gatekeepers.
Does that include a white guy who was born in Sumter County, Alabama to share croppers, compared to say a translatina from Los Alamos County, New Mexico born to scientists?
I R A Darth Aggie at June 8, 2016 6:00 AM
Darwin Award worthy. I'll tease it with this: selfies and guns may not mix:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/overland-teen-fatally-shot-himself-while-taking-selfie-police-say/article_b8615e44-8cda-5594-b433-b4f0949ca4ed.html?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link
I R A Darth Aggie at June 8, 2016 6:04 AM
Ack. Another "the gun accidentally discharged".
Nonsense.
It was fired by a person.
I bet they'd vote for Sanders.
Radwaste at June 8, 2016 6:36 AM
Whattya mean, Radwaste? Aren't gunz evil sentient beings? That's why we gotta control 'em!
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com) at June 8, 2016 7:32 AM
I suppose this kind of had to happen:
Acculturated suggests that, just maybe, the upcoming Frozen sequel isn't really going to be aimed at socially-conscious teens and adults, and it might be best to let little kids be little kids.
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com) at June 8, 2016 7:47 AM
Now you all know my secret to actioning the ladeez.
So as I fought off the Klan bikers and rescued the children and their kittens...
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at June 8, 2016 8:57 AM
God, Man, and Ignorance at Yale.
Conan the Grammarian at June 8, 2016 9:02 AM
"Recently I've been trying to charge through Caro's "The Power Broker" again. (It's kinda long.)"
We all have our albatross.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at June 8, 2016 9:15 AM
It takes a higher level of education in order to commit a newer act of stupidity.
Sixclaws at June 8, 2016 9:16 AM
I remember reading about a suicide note in which the author insisted his death be labelled as suicide as he did not want to go down in history as having accidentally fired his gun; didn't want history to record he was so stupid as to fool around with a loaded gun.
I believe the incident was described in Paul Fussell's Class or one of P. J. O'Rourke's books.
Conan the Grammarian at June 8, 2016 9:16 AM
> It is worlds easier to get academic
> papers than it ever was.
Amy, that was precisely the fucking point.
Crid at June 8, 2016 9:47 AM
University student jailed after sending fake 'rape confession' text message from ex-boyfriend's phone
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/university-student-jailed-after-sending-11440280
sixclaws at June 8, 2016 10:03 AM
A beautiful woman writes from Logan airport:
Crid at June 8, 2016 10:28 AM
“Let’s trend #GiveElsaAGirlfriend in hopes that @Disney will consider giving queer girls representation in princess form.”
Oh great, just what the world needs: a bunch of Disney-princess-worshipping lesbians. I can't imagine any group of people who would be more insufferable.
Cousin Dave at June 8, 2016 12:12 PM
" I can't imagine any group of people who would be more insufferable."
Maybe not insufferable.
But certainly hackle-raising and cringe-worthy.
Must ... restrain ... fist ... of ... outrage.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at June 8, 2016 12:40 PM
Hmmm...if this is true, then whomever came up with the idea should get a fat bonus:
http://thefederalist.com/2016/06/08/what-if-ghostbusters-marketing-is-intentionally-bad/
I R A Darth Aggie at June 8, 2016 12:43 PM
In an intersting twist, the law firm behind the Trump University class action suit gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Clintons.
Conan the Grammarian at June 8, 2016 5:14 PM
In another interesting twist, Florida's AG (a Democrat) announced her interest in joining the investigation of Trump University, whereupon she received a $25,000 campaign donation from Trump's folks and immediately abandoned her concerns.
Democrats and Republicans, working together.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at June 8, 2016 6:37 PM
Pay to play. That's how it works these days.
Cousin Dave at June 9, 2016 7:42 AM
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