Why Violence Keeps Islam Alive
Daniel Greenfield writes at FrontPage about Mohammed's clever strategy:
Islamic violence is nearly impossible to deny. But why is Islam violent? The usual answer is to point to Koranic verses calling for the conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims. That certainly covers the theological basis for Islamic violence. But it fails to explain why Muslims continue to practice it. Even against each other. Violence has become the defining form of Islamic exceptionalism.Optimists speak of reforming Islam. But such reforms had over a thousand years in which to take place.
Islam is an ideology. Its violence is a strategy. That strategy fit the needs of Mohammed. Mohammed chose to use force to spread his ideology. He needed to recruit fighters so he preached the inferiority of non-Muslims, the obligation for Muslims to conquer non-Muslims and the right of his fighters to seize the property and wives of non-Muslims as incentive for them to join his fight. Furthermore he even promised them that if they should fall in battle, they would receive loot and women in paradise.
The strategy was barbarous, but quite effective. Mohammed had created a new super-tribe in a tribal society. The tribe of Islam united different groups in a mission of conquest. The Islamic religion allowed the varying clans to be more effective and ambitious than their victims. Within a surprisingly short amount of time the chain of conquests made Islam into a world religion. The most effective Islamic conquerors could not only claim vast territories, carving up civilization into fiefdoms, but they could prepare their sons and grandsons to continue the chain of conquests.
Islam made the standard tactics of tribal warfare far more effective. Its alliance was harder to fragment and its fighters were not afraid of death. But at the same time Islam remained fundamentally tribal. It made tribal banditry more effective, but didn't change the civilization. It codified the tribal suspicion of outsiders and women into a religious doctrine. That still drives Islamic violence against non-Muslims and women today.
The conclusion:
Islamic civilization becomes unstable once it expands beyond its tribal limits. Its only coping strategy for that instability is violence, whether directed externally at non-Muslims or internally at other Muslims. Its economic development tools are limited and make supporting a modern society very difficult because they emphasize maintaining internal hierarchical stability over innovation and progress.Islam is violent because it's unstable. Its only tool is violence. Its societies exhaust their limited resources and then invade their neighbors. They repeat the same strategy until they are stopped. Then the exhausted Islamic civilization becomes a staid slave society that is stable, but backward. If that society is disturbed, then the egg cracks and the whole horrible process of war, invasion and exhaustion begins again. That is what we are experiencing right now. And there is no easy answer to this problem.
We can inhibit the expansion of Islamic migration. Or it will wash over our societies and destroy them.
>We can inhibit the expansion of Islamic migration.
>Or it will wash over our societies and destroy them
So vote Trump and keep these guys out of the country.
Snoopy at June 8, 2016 4:39 AM
Mo probably studied the techniques of the Huns for tips on plundering and subjugation. Adding religion as a Common Core belief for the tribes was kind of a good idea.
Greenfield is in good company when he says innovation and progress are retarded under Islam. Twain noticed it in "Innocents Abroad" as they rode through Lebanon.
"The plows these people use are simply a sharpened stick, such as Abraham plowed with, and they still winnow their wheat as he did--they pile it on the house-top, and then toss it by shovel-fulls into the air until the wind has blown all the chaff away. They never invent any thing, never learn any thing." (Ch. 43)
Canvasback at June 8, 2016 7:39 AM
Oooohh that Mohammed! He's cunning and insidious, Amy!
Them Moozlims is totally ooky! Completely different from the rest of us! People don't understand!! YOU'VE GOT TO WARN PEOPLE, AMY....
IF NOT YOU, THEN WHO?????????????????
Crid at June 8, 2016 9:41 AM
> So vote Trump and keep these guys
> out of the country.
Help me. Help me. Help me understand how we can listen to Trump supporters say things like this and not think "Sheezus, this guy is stoooo pit."
What on Earth make you think he's going to keep Muslim immigrants out of the United States? What makes you think he could have the power to do that, intellectually or legally? What makes you think he has the will to do it? Where will he find the support within government agencies, let alone the public spirit, to do that? When has he ever shown the wherewithal to make that kind of change within his own enterprises? When has he ever been able to think about other people long enough to do something like this? When have you ever seen a principle of any kind demonstrated in this guys life?
Trump supporters aren't merely deluded. They see Donald Trump and their consciousness drifts into a dreamsicle splendor of impulse fulfillment and counterfactual outcomes. Trump isn't a candidate to you, he's Miss November: I'm sure that if she ever met me, I could have her from behind!
Jesus.
Crid at June 8, 2016 10:45 AM
"What on Earth make you think he's going to keep Muslim immigrants out of the United States? What makes you think he could have the power to do that, intellectually or legally? What makes you think he has the will to do it? Where will he find the support within government agencies, let alone the public spirit, to do that?"
I for one will be happy if congress and the president get the backbone to stop the existing discrimination in this country against legal European and Asian immigrants, in favor of illegals, and refugees.
Immigration has been a tool used by the Democratic Party in the US, and the various labor/socialist parties in the UK, and the rest Europe, to buy themselves a new electorate more amenable to their socialist, and welfare state multi cultural goals.
Whether Donald Trump can actually build a wall, for me, is kinda beside the point.
For Hillary Clinton illegal immigration isn't even a problem, and she like Obama will gladly steal your savings, and your pension through inflation, and higher taxes, in order to buy and legalize their new Democratic voters.
Isab at June 8, 2016 11:16 AM
"What on Earth make you think he's going to keep Muslim immigrants out of the United States? What makes you think he could have the power to do that, intellectually or legally? What makes you think he has the will to do it? Where will he find the support within government agencies, let alone the public spirit, to do that?"
He's the only politician that raised the issue, immigration issues are very important to his supporters, and once elected, pretty much the only thing he needs to do to get re-elected is get tough on immigration.
As for the power to do so, Jimmy Carter banned immigration from Iran:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/09/flashback-president-jimmy-carter-banned-iranians-u-s/
If a President as lame as Carter could get this done, why not an aggressive man like Trump?
Snoopy at June 8, 2016 11:24 AM
> He's the only politician that
> raised the issue
Therefore, "vote Trump and keep these guys out of the country."?
Sirius?
Crid at June 8, 2016 11:50 AM
>Therefore, "vote Trump and keep these guys out of the country."?
>Sirius?
Wasn't my only point. There were many more, and Isab made some excellent points too.
But yes, the fact that he raised the issue is impressive enough - no other politician had the balls to do that.
Many of the other Republicans in the primary could have beaten him if only they'd taken a hard line on immigration. Not a single one did.
And the Democrats aren't going to do this either.
Snoopy at June 8, 2016 11:55 AM
"Many of the other Republicans in the primary could have beaten him if only they'd taken a hard line on immigration. "
Well, Cruz did eventually, but by the time he made his position clear, it was too late. Trump had the momentum on the issue.
And yes, the government does have a legal case to keep Muslims out of the country if it so chooses. There are almost no Constitutional restrictions on what the government can do regarding immigration. Would-be immigrants aren't here yet; they have no legal standing here, and no Constitutional rights beyond basic human rights. The legislature, with the executive branch's concurrence, can place any restrictions it sees fit. It can ban immigration all together if it chooses.
As for the intellectual case, there is one to be made. Not towards Islam specifically, but towards those who do not share Western values and wish us harm (a lot of whom are believers in Isalm). Why should we let in people who want to kill us and despise our values? We do have to sort the wheat from the chaff. There are Muslims from more civilized areas of the world who would probably do fine in the U.S. But that's not what we're seeing right now. We're seeing immigrants from some of the most backward parts of the world, people who are just not up to speed civilizationlly. Or rather, Europe is. We aren't seeing as much of it -- yet. Which means that now is the time to get out in front of the problem. I have no problem with investigating applicants to see if they have associations with Islamists, or have advocated anti-Western value, and denying them entry if so.
Cousin Dave at June 8, 2016 12:07 PM
> Wasn't my only point.
Yes yes yes, you contain multitudes, etcetera. You want to share all the details, because you've worked it out. In your head.
But I've never heard someone who's enthused about Trump who didn't come off like a daydreaming, deluded idiot. This guy's just not fit to serve as our chief executive... Chief law enforcement officer, Chief of State, Commander in Chief, and on and on. There is just no limit to the loathsome consequences his foolishness could bring to our nation.
You want to make a point about how modern politics has disappointed you. I don't care. This guy has no business running for president.
Crid at June 8, 2016 1:04 PM
Anyway, I think we can all agree that the real problem here is that Muhammad has "clever strategies."
Ooky!
I mean, he died almost fourteen hundred years ago...
But still!...
Crid at June 8, 2016 1:07 PM
> This guy has no business running for president.
What's the case for this? Of course, you have nothing to back up your works, just a flimsy statement.
Trump is a once-in-a-lifetime talent.
He has a fighting spirit that no one can match. He came from underdog that no one took seriously to beating out 17 candidates, many of whom were politically experience and extremely well funded.
He's got energy - compare his energy levels to Clinton or Jeb Bush.
He understands the media and has beaten them at their own game.
He's got balls - he never backs down or apologizes.
You act as if his positions are something new. Even before running, he spoke out against political correctness, being a fighter, opposing immigration, opposing involvement in the Middle East, bailouts on Wall Street, etc.
See him in 1988:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI
Snoopy at June 8, 2016 1:27 PM
Therefore, "vote Trump and keep these guys out of the country."?
Sirius?
Crid at June 8, 2016 11:50 AM
No, vote Trump, because the only alternative, Hillary Clinton will continue running her Mafia protection racket selling out the middle class and the poor, for the benefit of foreign interests her rich buddies, and a large new permanent democratic voting pool, while the lap dog press refuses to report the terrible economic data, and the sky high crime rate among illegal immigrants and refugees.
Cousin Dave is exactly correct. The US needs skilled immigrants, but you don't get those by importing primitive cultures wholesale into the US.
You let them in, in small numbers, Muslim or not, so they don't form lawless ghettos, with disaffected young men roaming the streets plotting revolution or jihad.
Take a look at Belgium and France for specific examples of how badly this kind of wholesale immigration turns out.
Isab at June 8, 2016 2:00 PM
Hmm. What's the hardest thing for Trump opponents to swallow?
That millions of people thought the things he said before Trump gave them a voice?
Yep.
The public's not some body of experts. They just want a job done.
Don't bow to everybody.
Put Americans first. Yes, those who are here already and got here legally.
Stay out of my house.
Let me buy the car I want.
Don't pretend my vote and what I do affects the world while Beijing chokes on its own exhaust.
My neighbor's in the National Guard - don't waste him.
Knock all those useless office workers out from between me and my doctor, and don't lie about health care like the rug you're replacing.
Radwaste at June 8, 2016 2:05 PM
Daughter flambe'.
Burning your daughter alive for marrying the wrong guy is just one of many ways to please Allah, I guess.
I don't wanna know the others.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at June 8, 2016 6:27 PM
Crid, schnookums?
What are your credentials to pontificate about muslims?
You were asking Amy what hers were, so I figured we'd best get yours as well.
lujlp at June 8, 2016 7:13 PM
You already have: About 1,640 results (0.38 seconds)
I'm not your alcoholic stepfather, but I don't think you followed his links and commentary either.
Crid at June 8, 2016 10:42 PM
> No, vote Trump, because the
> only alternative
Then don't vote.
You are not responsible for "the alternatives." Bernie may be a 74-year-old child, but he's correct to affirm that Hillary's machinery has constrained your selection of alternatives in an unjust (I'd say criminal) manner.
Put another way: We're not excused for having Hillary as our President just because we voted for Trump.
Crid at June 9, 2016 1:12 AM
And for the record, I didn't and won't. That was hypothetical-talk
Crid at June 9, 2016 2:18 AM
Snoopy, your personal admiration for Trump is inexplicable. You seriously believe the things you're saying...
Don't vote. If you do, bring me anything but your tears.
Crid at June 9, 2016 3:39 PM
We can inhibit the expansion of Islamic migration. Or it will wash over our societies and destroy them.
I didn't read that earlier.
Seriousballs. Where does Amy find these people?
Crid at June 9, 2016 4:14 PM
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