And, as always, it must be said that not all Muslims practice Islam in this way or even understand what Islam commands of them.

Actually, we need to stop saying that.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260452/iraqi-ayatollah-abducting-women-and-destroying-raymond-ibrahim

YeahYeahYeah...

So what do you want to do?

What do you want people to do beyond admiring the umodulated, laserlike focus of your opinion?

> I began to feel it was only
> a matter of time before there
> were attacks in public places

That's very world-weary and reflective and high-toned of you.

But as you aged through being a little girl, being in high school and college, and growing into full licensed-driving, alcohol-indulging, voter-registered adulthood, and learned about the conditions of life around the globe, did you ever think these clashes were going to be avoided even without Islam?

Really? That what your life in the United States, and your awareness of history and world affairs, has meant to you?

I so, so love being right about this.

"Part of me felt, "Don't be ridiculous," but I thought about it and realized that my fear came not out of some nebulous heebie jeebies but out of my understanding about Islam and its commands to slaughter the "infidel" and install the New Caliphate around the world.

I began to feel it was only a matter of time before there were attacks in public places -- showy public places in showy places, like here, in the land of Hollywood, infidel cinema by the sea."

Apply a little math and statistics to the risk here, and *never* get in a car or on an airplane again.

"Truck" is just a couple of letters off from "Trump."

"Strong contender for the worst headline of all time."

No, that award is shared by everyone who published some version of "Nice Truck Attack..."

Apply a little math and statistics to the risk here, and *never* get in a car or on an airplane again.

Yup.

Actually, we need to stop saying that.

If you don't say it, people assume you're a bigot and stop reading.

Apply a little math and statistics to the risk here, and *never* get in a car or on an airplane again.

I recognize there's risk in driving but I need to go places by car and plane.

What I have stopped doing is cycling. I rode all over New York City, and rollerskated all over the place, too. But that was before cell phones. I've now realized that a great many people are not paying attention behind the wheel. It seems too risky to bike -- which is to say, it's an unnecessary risk.

I might bike on the path by the ocean, but I don't bike miles and miles over streets, I like I used to. (Right now, I'm finishing this book and I can't leave the house.)

Want more Muslims in America? Vote for Shillary, she'll make it happen.

"So what do you want to do?"

Here's what I want to do: undertake a vigorous intellectual, and where necessary, physical defense of Western culture. Defend it against a corrupted culture that arose from a region that never made it out of the Middle Ages. Defend it against the trans-medieval Left that cynically exploits Islam, and a lot of other backward belief systems, for its own purposes. And defend it against the internal rot that has been allowed to set in because of the two above things.

Western culture is objectively better by every measure (health, longevity, wealth, food supply, medicine, etc.) than any other way of living that human beings have ever devised. It's getting down to a core constituency who are starting to feel like they will have to defend it by any means available. That's what Brexit is about. That's what Trump is about.

As for the attack itself, obviously the solution is truck control. America is absolutely flooded with trucks; anyone can buy one at a truck show with no background checks and no government tracking. No one needs a vehicle that big. They should be restricted to the military and law enforcement. It's common sense. There's nothing in the Constitution that says that you have a right to own a truck.

So what do you want to do?

What will they do when they come for you? you may not be interested in Islam, but Islam is interested in you.

Will you submit?
Will you resist?

In the purest state of affairs for the jihadi, that is the only options available for the infidel.

For our lovely hostess, she is down to give no quarter, for none will be given.

Would Jesus tell people, "Go run down mothers and their baby carriages with a gigantic truck?"
________________________________________

No, but I seem to remember that he DID encourage the breaking up of families if it meant more converts.

Luke 12:

49 “I came to bring fire to the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!
50 I have a baptism with which to be baptized, and what stress I am under until it is completed!
51 Do you think that I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division!
52 From now on five in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three;
53 they will be divided: father against son, and son against father, mother against daughter, and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law, and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

However, the following says that it's all a matter of context:

https://www.theologyofwork.org/the-high-calling/daily-reflection/did-jesus-come-bring-peace-or-division

And, from Matthew 10:

34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35 "For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.
37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 "Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
39 "Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it."

And then, going back, there's Joshua, who thus commanded the army at Jericho (this part of the story was definitely NOT mentioned in the 1923 "The Illustrated Bible Story Book" by Seymour Loveland & Milo Winter that I had as a little kid):

20 When the trumpets sounded, the army shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the men gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so everyone charged straight in, and they took the city.
21 They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.

And, from Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion"

"The book of Numbers tells how God incited Moses to attack the Midianites. His army made short work of slaying all the men, and they burned all the Midianite cities, but they didn't kill the women and children. This merciful restraint by his soldiers infuriated Moses, and he gave orders that all the boy children should be killed, and all the women who were not virgins. 'But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves' (Numbers 31: 18). No, Moses was not a great role model for modern moralists."

And you, Amy, seem convinced Hillary is the best to recognize that Islam 1) even is a threat and 2) effectively deal with it, Bengazi and the video lie notwithstanding. You're an intelligent woman. You know better.

> Will you submit?
> Will you resist?

Will you be pompous?
Will you be evasive?

"And, from Richard Dawkins' "'The God Delusion'"...

Dawkins has lately been going around England insulting people who voted Leave and stating that they should not have been allowed to vote. It's not that he has achieved a higher plane of reason. He's just replaced established religion with a secular one of his own choosing.

EXCLUSIVE: France ‘Suppressed News of Gruesome Torture’ at Bataclan Massacre

http://heatst.com/uk/exclusive-france-suppressed-news-of-gruesome-torture-at-bataclan-massacre/

lenona,
Give it up gurl! It's been decades since it was acceptable for Christians to kill others. Cain murdered Abel so I guess it's okay to murder?
Get a better adult argument for today's troubles.

To both Crid and others,
I want names, locations, and what options we have.

I don't want "Islam is a peaceful religion." when for a significant personality type Islam is either an excuse for war or it's a culture that is conquest orientated.

I DON'T CARE. I want my threats identified.

Ex. If the Hopi Indians are truly peaceful, great I don't need to fear them when they show up.

If the Comanche Indians show up I already know they want lunch, my hair, and my wife.

Stop the BS. AS a Nation we have BTDT.

I want the MSM and our gov't to acknowledge that this BS is going on today in Israel monthly and that we will not support the organizations or governments that PAY the families of the terrorists. PERIOD.

I want exactly what Cousin Dave said.

It's a social media war we have right now and we should be winning or at least participating in it.

AND NO CRID I do not want Chicken Little screaming that the world is ending. Ha Ha Ha.

America grew because individuals said "screw the cities" and went into the wilds, lost their husbands/wives/chidlren to Indians, bears, and wolves.

(Hell, Russia feared wolves for the taking of their children, and I believe our early Colonists did as well.)

Except for the large cities, Americans did not give up their guns to the Brits because they were much needed, we were scattered along the rivers away from British troops, and we were stubborn

Our West was a violent place that like Mother Nature showed no compassion or mercy, and we did not as well (which was wrong but ...).

It's 2016 and we smothered in information about everything EXCEPT the differences in Islam cultures. WHY IS THAT?

Enough already. Running people down was a daily thing in Israel. No surprise it's happening elsewhere.

I KNOW that Christianity allowed itself to be "reformed." (Even if it took a few more centuries for things like slavery to be done away with.) I was simply pointing out that we shouldn't be whitewashing any Biblical figure that we like to admire - including Jesus.

BTW, the only likely reason my family let me have that children's Bible, decades ago, was that, as even Richard Dawkins admits, a Westerner would come across as culturally illiterate if he/she wasn't familiar with certain stories, expressions, etc. He listed many of those expressions here:

http://www.obooksbooks.com/2015/4072_69.html

Quote: "Surely ignorance of the Bible is bound to impoverish one's appreciation of English literature? And not just solemn and serious literature."

I have to admit, I only knew about 3/4 of the ones listed before age 30 or so.

Will you be evasive?

What will you do, Crid?

I was simply pointing out that we shouldn't be whitewashing any Biblical figure that we like to admire - including Jesus.

He was simply pointing out that He was a divisive figure. Not all would believe, not even in one's own home. And that could become a point of contention. I'll see your quotes and raise you this one:

Matthew 22:37-40 New International Version (NIV)

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Remember France? Well ....

http://heatst.com/uk/exclusive-france-suppressed-news-of-gruesome-torture-at-bataclan-massacre/

> What will you do, Crid?

Ceaselessly ridicule the twee, uninformed, pretentious weaselbuns whose faux-poignant incoherence pollutes consideration of important topics...

...And that's you, Sugar! Like Amy, you can answer anything but inquiry. You're not principled, you're just being an ass.

> I want names, locations,
> and what options we have.

So go get them, Tiger! Names-locations-options!

Or were you demanding that someone else collect all those things on your behalf, with common money, and present them to you on a menu? Are these merely distant, ethereal policy problems, or are you tote seriousballs?

Because if you really want to reach out into the world and make contact with someone, and, y'know, do some fucking reality testing, it wouldn't be difficult... What city did you say you were in?

> Here's what I want to do:
> undertake a vigorous intellectual,
> and where necessary, physical
> defense of Western culture.

That seems like a wordy weekend. But if you're sincere, it must be sad to see that Amy won't be joining you.

"Or were you demanding that someone else collect all those things on your behalf, with common money, and present them to you on a menu? Are these merely distant, ethereal policy problems, or are you tote seriousballs?"

BS Crid! We have numerous gov't agencies that are supposed to be professionals in their analysis of who/what/when/where.

Since this is a decades old problem and everybody is convinced that BUSH screwed it up, obviously they know where he went wrong, how he went wrong, the difference between the gov't States involved then and now, and so on.

Are there many different "answers" left to try? Is anybody keeping score of what "answers" worked well and what did not?

It's a simple problem (partitioning the Ottoman Empire screwed up that area) w/a complex set of partial answers for today that basically come down to money, training, and oil being sold to finance new endeavors.

As far as what city I am in, why should we wait to solve this problem here when we have da 'net, planes, drones, and a few good men.

What we don't have is the balls to screw up another country's richest men until they bring their boys in line.

How much force (if any) is required has now become a much more complicated issue simply due to Obama basically saying "You guys are so screwed up that I'm not touching this w/a 10 ft. pole."

Of course, this means getting involved in other State's governing and that is a BAD thing (unless of course you get what you want).

I don't feel like paying tribute and I don't feel like carpet bombing. Maybe there is another way, but unless somebody talks we'll never find it.

"That seems like a wordy weekend. "

Yeah, it will be. And to be honest, it's not the sort of thing I'm very good at. But I have to start somewhere. I think we all do.

> We have numerous gov't agencies
> that are supposed to be...

Okay, but so you're a big-government liberal. Nonetheless...

> ...professionals in their analysis
> of who/what/when/where.

Doncha feel just a twinge of shame for letting your government do your thinkin' for ya in matters of internationalism and deadly force? In my (Boomer) generation, doing that didn't work out so well.

> Are there many different "answers"
> left to try?

By what metric? I mean, compared to do what?

These comment stacks have this wafting miasma of masculine action and clarity, and then someone asks what you want to do, and it's always some vaguely utilitarian thing that's unspecified, though it never requires your personal participation, or even (we see today) study:

> why should we wait to solve
> this problem here when we
> have da 'net, planes, drones,
> and a few good men.

(This, this is how the Republican party lost its erection.)

There's no need to "wait" for anything, especially as regards interpersonal actions in your own community.

> It's a simple problem

Look a Muslim in the eye and say so, okay?

> unless somebody talks we'll
> never find it.

You're it, Biscuits.

Neighbours described Bouhel as a depressed – sometimes aggressive – man who was not particularly interested in religion, and kept to himself.

I have and will looked Muslims in the eye and said it: you think it's harder than confronting women about abortion? It's not. I've held a 16.6 week fetus as it took 2 hours to die after its precipitous birth. I hope never to hold people run over, or blown to hits, or shot to death, or stoned because Islam (as bloody as pro-abortionists, if more visually obvious) demanded it, but I may. I've certainly helped women lacking a clitoris, give birth. What have you done, Crid? Besides saying Islam is no worse than other religions we've brought to heel (as stupid now as it would have been when stated to victims of the Azteca as their hearts were ripped out: "it'll get better someday, I promise!!") Stringing together some bullshit isn't really impressive. Get your ass out there and care for the victims, at least, if you want to blather on about how this is nothing new and will end eventually.

1. I can't imagine what it means to "confront women about abortion." (PS- I also doubt you've looked Muslims in the eye and said meaningfully challenging things.)

2. Nor am I interested in finding things that are "harder."

3. Your "holding" of what my mother's generation called "sickly babies" in their decline to death seems wildly off-topic.

4. Your mixed allusion to Islam and "visually obvious pro-abortion forces" is inane and unreadable.

5. The "clitoris" thing had an extra comma and is similarly out of place.

6. What "I have done" is resist the emotional screechings of unread, unprincipled, learning-averse fear-mongers in their self-aggrandizing descriptions of the challenges before us as we bring the last third (quarter? fifth?) of humanity into the blessings of modernity's capitalist, democratic bounty.

7. What's this "we've" shit, you weasel? Who did you ever "bring to heal"?

8. What the fuck do Aztecs have to do with any of this? Who the fuck ever rescued them from their violent stupidities such that they fit into your (howsoever swollen) terrarium of historical fantasy?

9. No, you idiot Bunny... YOU "get out there and care for "the victims," whoever you so drunkenly imagine them to be. I'm not the one who imagines that bellicose, naive expressions of narrow resentment demonstrate courage or purity of intention.

10. *You*, Mommybuns, are the one who's used religion to make social distance from others. Let me remind you on this occasion as on the earlier one, your effort is gratuitous... No one was looking to you for spiritual leadership anyway, and we'd actually appreciate it if you kept your distance.

M'kay?

And did you read the Telegraph link? Nice was about inarticulate, incompetent masculinity, not Islam.

Nice delusion Crid. No, Nice was not about incompetent masculinity. And no, his lack of 'good muslim'-hood doesn't undercut Amy's argument.

I wonder how long before Democrats do a sit in to ban/regulate trucks.

I wonder how long before Democrats do a sit in to ban/regulate trucks. ~ Joe j at July 16, 2016 11:24 AM

What do you think the carbon tax is all about? All of this is about someone else telling you what you need and what is good for you, protecting you against yourself and the bad choices you would make if left to your own devices. It's not about saving you, the world, humanity, or snail darters. It's not about reducing medical care costs by restricting dangerous activities. It's not about respect for indigenous peoples or minorities. It's about control: their control over you. That's all it's about.

"I'm the enemy because I like to think. I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy that could sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs or the side order of gravy fries? I want high cholesterol. I would eat bacon and butter and buckets of cheese. Okay? I want to smoke Cuban cigars the size of Cincinnati in the nonsmoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-O all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I might suddenly feel the need to. Okay, pal?" ~ Denis Leary in Demolition Man

The folks who commit these crimes never described as well-adjusted and friendly. Afterward, the neighbors always describe them as "a loner" or "just weird" or "depressed and unstable."

The Boston Bombers were outcasts and loners. The Orlando shooter was described as "disturbed" as well as "troubled and aggressive." Notice a pattern? It's an internal psychosis and not religion.

As far as the Islam connection, it's most likely that he found in radicalized Islam a rationale for committing an act he was already working up to in his head and that he was not originally motivated by radicalized Islam to turn a happy and well-adjusted self into a mass murderer.

Kinda like the rationale Timothy McVeigh found in the radicalized Christian Identity movement which gave him an outlet for his rage.

"Troubled disturbed". Some neghbors will always describe people that way especially if saying you were best buds will have the FBI on you.

So what do you want to do?

Interdict the middle east.

Sink every ship that tries to leave, down every plane that tries to leave, shoot every vehicle and man woman or child that tires to leave for the next 50 years.

Also dump a plane load of live pigs on the Kabba every year at the start and end of Ramadan for the next 50 years.

Conduct periodic bombings of power plants and oil refineries, disperse biological weapons on major population centers.

After 50 years ask em if they want to play nice with the modern world, or if they want another 50 years of isolation and death

Putting up a perimeter around the region (the most backward parts) is actually not a bad idea, although it would be a massive project that would need European cooperation, which we won't get right now. "Conduct periodic bombings of power plants and oil refineries..." Not even necessary. Just pull out the Westerners who keep those things going, and they'll cease functioning shortly. There's a reason why Iran has to import gasoline.

Putting up a perimeter around the region (the most backward parts) is actually not a bad idea, although it would be a massive project that would need European cooperation, which we won't get right now. "Conduct periodic bombings of power plants and oil refineries..." Not even necessary. Just pull out the Westerners who keep those things going, and they'll cease functioning shortly. There's a reason why Iran has to import gasoline.

Well heck... Chrome caching and a dodgy touchpad makes me look like an idiot, again.

> There's a reason why Iran
> has to import gasoline.

Exactly. Exactly.

Is there a website where I too can learn how to disingenuously compare ancient history to currently commanded (and performed) barbarism, explicitly commanded in the perfect and unalterable Quran?

While I disagree with Lenona about pretty much everything, I never thought "but.. that's stupid before. Sad!

@Conan: 'The Boston Bombers were outcasts and loners. The Orlando shooter was described as "disturbed" as well as "troubled and aggressive." Notice a pattern? It's an internal psychosis and not religion.'

I notice another pattern - that these days at least 90% of the people who could be described as depressed, "troubled and disturbed", "outcasts and loners", etc., who go on to mass-murder strangers are Muslims. Either that religion produces a remarkable number of psych cases, or their psych cases are much more likely to turn to mass murder.

Another point: When Americans from a Christian, Jewish, or atheist background do turn to murder to get even with the world, they generally try to target specific groups. McVeigh was mad at the federal government; he blew up a federal building, rather than hijacking an airliner and flying it into a corporate office building. Klebold and Harris felt they were mistreated by high-school students and staff; they shot up their high-school, not the bus station. Islamic mass-murderers quite often target any group that doesn't include too many Muslims of their own sect. If they are going after those they perceive as enemies, almost the whole world is an enemy.