What's Actually Toxic Is A Culture That Talks About Men This Way
Jillian Kay Melchior writes at FoxNews that Duke University is offering men a "safe space" to contemplate their "toxic masculinity":
The Duke Men's Project, launched this month and hosted by the campus Women's Center, offers a nine-week program for "male-identified" students that discusses male privilege, patriarchy, "the language of dominance," rape culture, pornography, machismo and other topics.The student newspaper's editorial board endorsed the new program yesterday, insisting it was "not a reeducation camp being administered by an oppressed group in the service of the feminization of American society."
I'm with this guy who left this comment from the Duke Men's Project Facebook page:
Chris Toffer
This "men's" project is misleading. Equating criminality with masculinity as toxic is about as soundly logical as equating gold diggers and whores with femininity as toxic. This is not about respectful introspection, this about reengineering an entire gender based on the desires of a group of people, one part rabid hyper-feminists, and one part self gelded males guilted into being ashamed to be men. If you want to solve serious issues, attack and deconstruct toxic and social behaviour, not an entire gender.
via @MichaelShermer








As a man women should listen to me tell them how to be better at being a woman.
As a white dude, minorities should listen to me tell them how to be better at being minorities.
As a Jew, Christians should listen to me tell them how to be better at being minorities.
As a feminist from the women's center, men should listen to me tell them how to be better at being men.
jerry at October 2, 2016 10:38 PM
And by minorities, I meant Christians.... oh well.
jerry at October 2, 2016 10:38 PM
The idea that they had to say that at all suggests that the program is exactly what they insist it's not.
And being self-gelded still isn't going to get you laid.
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com) at October 3, 2016 4:39 AM
There are already spaces where "men can contemplate their toxic masculinity": they're called bars, and the best discussion involve Scotch or Bourbon.
mer at October 3, 2016 5:20 AM
How many of the women at Duke and elsewhere are really majoring in a "Mrs." program while they are killing time partying.
Be honest. A lot of guys are just there for the beer.
Bob in Texas at October 3, 2016 5:29 AM
Like any mind control cult, they are preying on the weak. Though some guys might show up just to parody the exercise.
Canvasback at October 3, 2016 6:41 AM
I'm surprised this is openly coming from the Women's Center. In the past ten years or so, universities have gotten much sneakier about disguising the origins of their of their faux outreach to men. For instance, they usually try to arrange for other men to appear to drive these campaigns, and strategically purge their missives of feminist-associated rhetoric like "patriarchy".
Lastango at October 3, 2016 7:09 AM
So yeah, that's exactly what men today need... to have feminists define manhood for them. Not.
And y'know, I seldom go to a park, or to a birthday party, or to a baseball game, thinking "What if this event is really a re-education camp?" It is not necessary for the park management, or the host of the party, or the baseball team to insist that their event is not a re-education camp. Very plainly, it isn't, and the thought that it might be one would not cross my mind. So, if someone has to insist, a priori, that their event isn't a re-education camp, well... Shakespeare and doth protest and all that.
Cousin Dave at October 3, 2016 7:52 AM
So, the underlying assumption is that there is actually such a thing as male privilege and patriarchy. Therein lies the problem. When your baseline assumptions are flawed, so is your conclusion.
Men died on the Titanic following the "women and children first" rule.
Men died in World Wars, fighting to free Europe and Asia from tyrannical invaders. Women and men died in bombings and attacks on civilian targets.
Men populate, in significantly greater numbers, the most dangerous jobs in the world, often dying doing these jobs for the benefit of society and/or trying to provide for their families. Those workers who died erecting the Brooklyn Bridge and the Hoover Dam were not women, they were privileged men.
The only privilege any of these idiots should be concerned about is the privilege of being a Duke student, a highly-ranked private college that isn't cheap to anyone who cannot sink a basketball or throw a football.
Conan the Grammarian at October 3, 2016 7:59 AM
Why single this out as influential?
Fred Reed makes the wonderful point that public expectations are driven by popular media.
Today, we think it is just fine that professional athletes have multiple children out of wedlock, that the Dukes of Hazzard is virulently racist because there's a Confederate flag on the General Lee, that the family should look like the one in "Modern Family", that drugs are an excellent recreation, that the ~13% of the public that is black are everywhere and that Wonder Woman should be bisexual.
In the process, public schizophrenia has been increased by an order of magnitude beyond what it had been when the worst you could do is ask someone where the "Ark" went.
Invisible today: the modern violation of the 3rd Amendment that electronic surveillance represents - and most of it isn't even recognized as surveillance.
When you can get people to post everything about themselves, there's no need for the King to put a soldier in your house. In one continuous orgasm, a public unfulfilled by a nation which ignores the individual proclaims their most mundane activity as important, enabling their own manipulation.
Radwaste at October 3, 2016 8:38 AM
Let me ask you this, if a couple are on a date and a barking dog (or a mugger) comes up, does the girl quickly stand behind the guy, or not? of course she does.
And, does the girl virtually always pick the taller, stronger, richer guy for a date? Of course she does.
Does a wife make fun of the husband if he can't fix things, pick up heavy things, and reach the top shelf? Of course she does.
These things are masculinity. Women do not actually want the feminized guy. They want $ and muscles, and they should. Calling all this toxic is simply crazy.
Craig Loehle at October 3, 2016 11:32 AM
I propose a new government regulation, regarding the use of the word "toxic". Henceforth, in all public and private communication, the word "toxic" will be limited to describing poisons having an LD50 of
Cousin Dave at October 3, 2016 11:46 AM
and that Wonder Woman should be bisexual
Wonder Woman is a, possibly immortal, centuries old lump of clay brought to life artificially. She ain't even HUMAN, let alone a woman. So she cant be bisexual given as the only being of her kind in existence there is not a second sex.
Technically the closest term would be xenosexual, as humans are a separate species entierly.
lujlp at October 3, 2016 11:46 AM
The hell? My comment got cut off. Investigating... And it was a witty one too. Drat.
Cousin Dave at October 3, 2016 11:47 AM
What!? You don't like 'affirmative consent'!? Don't trigger me, bruh! You don't like a law that states that if you can't prove 'enthusiastic and ongoing consent' at 'every stage of the sexual encounter', you're guilty of rape/assault!? That's just your patriarchal male privilege showing! Women hater! All women should be believed! Women's accusation means your social, legal, physical and financial doom! You had better darn be scared, misogynist! Cry man-baby, cry! We bathe in male tears!
Stop your man-splaining and stop trying to intimidate me with your man-spreading! Muh feelings! Safe space violation! Trigger warnings please! So what if you need a video tape, a court stenographer and a lawyer present whenever you have sex! Men should fear sex with powerful, independent women! So what if a woman can come back months, years or decades later and have you imprisoned for rape and cleaned out via civil suits with no evidence whatsoever! Girl power! All men should be put in prison! Men to the back of the bus!
Don't give me that 'male-only conscription' BS! I have breasts and a vagina - toxic masculinist! What cha gonna do, huh man-baby?! Cry?! Mooohahahahahha! It's because men are so stupid that we throw rocks at them! If I happen to want an abortion to escape parenthood - I'll terminate the infestation of your biologically induced oppression! Men play - men pay! Cry man-baby, cry!
The world needs more anti-male-positive-discrimination laws so that men can be put in their place - beneath women! Down with the patriarchy! Fish don't need no dang bicycles, you cry-babies! Man up! Get married so you can be properly divorce raped and be forced into homelessness - like a real man!
(drop mic)
Tim at October 3, 2016 12:54 PM
The Duke 88 apologized yet?
MarkD at October 3, 2016 2:18 PM
Yeah, here's what "male privilege" gives us: 99% of combat deaths are MALE; 94% of workplace deaths are MALE; 75% of homicides are MALE; 74% of suicides are MALE (often induced by toxic divorces).
Long live Patriarchy!
jefe at October 3, 2016 3:46 PM
Said by no woman ever, anywhere:
Jeff Guinn at October 6, 2016 7:54 AM
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