A Shitty, Noise-Polluting Standard: Car Horns That Honk When You Lock The Door
Before you sneer at how silly it is to be worried about noise pollution like HONK-HONK...HONK-HONK every time somebody parks near your home or workplace, consider not just the effects on lost concentration and productivity through the noise yanking people's focus away, but the negative effects on health.
This is from a 2007 journal article by Lisa Goines, RN and Louis Hagler, MD:
There is growing evidence that noise pollution is not merely an annoyance; like other forms of pollution, it has wide-ranging adverse health, social, and economic effects.A recent search (September, 2006) of the National Library of Medicine data base for adverse health effects of noise revealed over 5000 citations, many of recent vintage.
As the population grows and as sources of noise become more numerous and more powerful, there is increasing exposure to noise pollution, which has profound public health implications.
Noise, even at levels that are not harmful to hearing, is perceived subconsciously as a danger signal, even during sleep. The body reacts to noise with a "fight or flight" response, with resultant nervous, hormonal, and vascular changes that have far reaching consequences.
About those ubiquitous car horns, there's this email I got from Noise Free America:
Jeanine Botta, a New York City resident, has organized a grassroots campaign to address remote keyless entry systems that use horn sounds. She began to notice remote keyless entry horn honking [six] years ago, when she lived in a Brooklyn brownstone apartment facing the street: "The street was very quiet during the six years that I lived there, although many people parked their car. However, during the last two years, remote keyless entry horn use became more prevalent, and horns could be heard frequently, day and night. People wouldn't think twice about remote keyless entry horn use in the middle of the night. It seems that some people use the technology from inside their homes, just to assure themselves that their cars had not been stolen."Botta notes that "the technology has had two unintended effects. First, it is intrusive. It enters people's homes and affects their sleep and quality of life, it startles pedestrians, and it creates danger by confusing cyclists and other drivers. Secondly, it seems to create a compulsion in users to hear the horn as a form of assurance."
According to Botta, "Subaru and Toyota have switched their audible confirmation sound from honking to a less intrusive electronic chirp. But the majority of cars manufactured for sale in the United States continue to use horn honking as security confirmation, despite state motor vehicle safety regulations and local noise ordinances that limit horn use to emergencies. Regulatory agencies completely ignore the noise, health effects, and safety risks of this technology. American automobile companies should assume greater responsibility for the environment and end this problem."
Ted Rueter, Noise Free America's director, commented that "remote keyless entry systems are ridiculous. What is so hard about locking your car with a lock? What is so hard about using a silent remote door locking device? What is so hard about using a tire gauge to check the air pressure on your tires? These 'innovations' dreamed up by corporate engineers are making the world a much noisier and less pleasant place to live. The European Union mandates the use of optical signals to confirm that a door has been locked; the US government should do the same. It is time to end the madness of unnecessary noise."
Here's a commenter on another site's post on this:
This isn't such a problem for people living in suburbia so there they don't realize what a nuisance it is. But for anyone living like you said in a large apartment or for me near a small college with on-street parking with high parking turnover, the constant random beeping is a serious problem.Without over dramatizing on my part what you said, it does bring to mind the stuff I've read of Martin Seligman ("Learned Optimism", "Learned Helplessness") of the serious negative psychological consequences of being put at the mercy of uncontrollable environmental forces. And the constant barrage of random beeps, honks, alarm bells qualifies.
For anyone who hasn't read his books, in one experiment Seligman had German Shepherd dogs in kennel sized boxes submitted to mild electrical shocks. In no time the demeanor, behavior (and personality if you can go that far) of the dogs completely collapsed till they were nothing but shivering wrecks. The simple expedient of letting them jump out of the box occasionally was enough to restore their mental equilibrium even after they were returned to the hostile environment. The experiments demonstrated the soul destroying effects of a bad environmental coupled with limited or no personal control.
In my case I was at the liberty to move. So the landlord was paying the price ultimately in a weak rental market.
But the phenomenon is not only rude but dangerous. On streets where autos park perpendicular to and facing the sidewalk you as a pedestrian can be walking with your earhole almost right next to the front grille of an SUV and catch the full blast of the horn as you walk by, with the owner conveniently 5 paces behind the horn out of harms way. That experience counts as a physical assault in my book.
One thing I found is the default key option for new cars is the horn. At least in (my) GM you can program as I have done to have the keyless system to flick the lights on momentarily, which admittedly works better at night. If this was the default setting then most people would accept this as a given. Problem solved.
Perhaps in due course the keyless transmitters will get a receiver too, so the all-locked signal can be received and audibly signalled as with a cell phone, without alerting the entire neighborhood.
Another guy:
I live in a new condo, above the parking garages and this one idiot insists on parking his car outside his garage since his garage contains boxes and other stuff, so I am subjected to the loud horn blast every time he comes home around 11 PM, and I go to bed around 9:30 for work - it wakes me up each night.I never (realized) before how obnoxious that sound is and yet I hear it all the time with people blissfully unaware. I asked him nicely when he comes home late to use the keypad inside the car so it does not make that horn sound and he acted offended and is now doing it twice at night to keep me up. Ugh
A guy named Rocco:
It is absolutely obnoxious, unnecessary noise pollution.It's unbelievable that people defend it, but those who do contort in childish, defensive anger about it ("It's MY car and I'll do whatever I want!") to weasel out of responsibilty for how their actions affect other people. It's not that those who are annoyed by it are "too sensitive," it's that we cannot see any good reason for totally useless car horn noise, every single day, all day long and into the night (where I live).
I have a car alarm system that flashes the lights when it's armed--no sound. On several days I kept a rough count of how many times I heard it from my back deck, which is nowhere near the street--one particularly busy day in Chicago, I lost count past 50 separate incidents. It was probably more like 80-100. In one summer day, and that was just during daylight hours.
As for the idiotic suggestion that anyone who doesn't want to hear it should move: I was in Yosemite National Park last fall and along a road where people got out to check out a waterfall, it became a symphony of beeps and honks not unlike my street in Chicago. It is now unavoidable no matter where you go. What the hell are the car manufacturers thinking? People who use these devices, clue in: you are destroying what little peace your neighbors still have in this world, for no good reason. Have a little respect for someone other than yourself, for a change.
Again from Green Car Integrity's Jeanine Botta who'd like to see an end to these horns:
Honking from a smartphone or wristwatch? Why not? Why not honk from our earrings, or honk by twitching our noses like Samantha on Bewitched? What's one more thing competing for our attention? One more distraction? One more thing that we don't need, one more thing that misuses a safety device and creates a startling and discordant sound in an inappropriate situation?How to disable the horn chirp: "Turns out, the entire neighborhood doesn't need to know that you locked your doors."
Botta's newer site is here.
And an even bigger but less frequent form of noise hell -- truck backup sounds...thank you, Elizabeth Dole:
Many sight-impaired members recognize that additional noise does not make their lives safer.There are differences in sound energy. For example, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) mandates the use of back-up alarms on trucks for safety. However, the intense piercing noise emitted from current back-up alarms is a noise hazard for workers and a nuisance for nearby residents. Improved back-up alarms emit a broadband sound (white sound) that dissipates over a discrete distance reducing noise pollution. OSHA never acted to mandate broadband sound in spite of repeated calls to do so. As NHTSA is not concerned with noise pollution, representation from noise control advocates are shut out of the dialog.
More here. And here. Read and have your misconceptions crushed about how supposedly effective and necessary these BEEEEEP-BEEEEEP-BEEEEP-BEEEEP things are.
Fun that a former New Yorker would spend so many column-inches on this.
That nobody sees or hears your Insight.
That somehow, that area is still your choice of residence.
Radwaste at November 22, 2016 4:50 AM
Totally-agree with the basic sentiment. Virtually-all RKE systems can be programmed to disable the horn signal, so the default should be no-horn.
However, we do have this:
'Ted Rueter, Noise Free America's director, commented that "remote keyless entry systems are ridiculous. What is so hard about locking your car with a lock? What is so hard about using a silent remote door locking device? What is so hard about using a tire gauge to check the air pressure on your tires?"
Who is this elitist, self-absorbed pr*ck? Who is he to say that RKE systems are 'ridiculous'? Many users appreciate the benefits they offer, especially the latest-generation systems that mean you don't ever have to get anything out of your pockets and in your hand. Walk up to car, it automatically unlocks, get it, press button to start, drive away. Sticking a piece of metal into a slot to make something work is technology for 1825, we can do better. Fumbling around in the dark with keys, with your hands full, in the rain or snow, is completely unnecessary, and RKE systems make it a thing of the past.
What else doesn't he like about modern cars? Starter motors? Should we all have to start our cars with a hand crank, like the Model T? After all, what's so hard about starting you car with a crank?
His comment goes from elitist to just plain stupid when he suggests that we should all check our tire pressures with a gauge. (Many automatic tire-pressure monitoring systems use the horn to warn drivers when tire pressures are incorrect). Well, guess what, you selfish, thoughtless jerk - many people, including the elderly and the disabled, simply cannot use a tire pressure gauge to check their tires. And correct tire pressure is an important safety consideration, which should be monitored regularly, and drivers need to be warned when tire pressures are incorrect. Quibble with the use of the horn if you like, but snarky remarks like 'What is so hard about using a tire gauge to check the air pressure on your tires?' show that you have not really thought for a moment about what you are suggesting. Jerk.
llater,
llamas
llamas at November 22, 2016 5:11 AM
Fun that a former New Yorker would spend so many column-inches on this.
Do you find it "fun" to all day hear "honk-honk!" "honk-honk!" in order to live in a place you love?
I live in Venice, California. My neighborhood is a parking place for people who go to visit stores here. All day, I hear the "honk-honk!" "honk-honk!"
Nobody has a right to change the environment in your home with unnecessary noise. Fire truck sirens are different -- and I think of our super firemen who get to places in Venice so fast and save neighbors here who are having heart attacks or fires. I'm grateful for them.
But these car horn honking entries, because you don't hear them in suburbia, are not okay. People hear them at work and elsewhere.
Why do you celebrate noise -- noise being injected into people's lives? Sneer at my car? Which, no, nobody sees and hears because it's in my garage with a big battery problem and I haven't left the house for more than a year while writing this book that I continue to work on -- fact-checking the science and pulling together an enormous bibliography.
There's no need for the honking for keyless entry.
And honking is not the only way tire pressure can be revealed, but it's the way you impose noise on all of your neighbors, which is damn rude.
Amy Alkon at November 22, 2016 5:18 AM
That somehow, that area is still your choice of residence.
So, I should leave my home -- and go where, where there are no horns being used to lock cars?
Honk-honk! Honk-honk! Honk-honk! Somebody has arrived! Are they the king, that they get to disturb everybody with a sound about this?
Car companies are adding to the noise poisoning all of us. There's no need for this. Keyless entry can be accomplished without a horn honking.
Amy Alkon at November 22, 2016 5:20 AM
"Car companies are adding to the noise poisoning all of us."
"because you don't hear them in suburbia"
They aren't poisoning all of us. Just those who decide to live in dense areas. As you admit.
"So, I should leave my home -- and go where, where there are no horns being used to lock cars?"
Honestly, if this is an issue for you, yes. This is one of the prices of living where you have chosen to live. I have no issue with making changing the horn behavior simpler for the consumer. But the vast majority of consumers won't change this. So getting things your way will require government force. And that is where my support ends.
Ben at November 22, 2016 5:35 AM
It is a problem for people in offices and suburbia. You can't get away from these horns -- save for guys like the one on Twitter, Jim Simon, who said he turned his off.
Amy Alkon at November 22, 2016 5:41 AM
And I have just lived with this annoyance -- haven't spent thousands moving from a place I love because people HONK-HONK unnecessarily.
It isn't prissy to think unnecessary noise shouldn't be made. You don't NEED to make noise that inserts itself into others' homes and offices to know that your car is locked. So why argue for rudeness when it's possible to not be rude, possible for car companies to make keyless entries to cars that don't HONK-HONK?
Amy Alkon at November 22, 2016 5:43 AM
I live in a dense urban area and use on street parking. Sometimes I will not be sure I locked the car and hit the key fob until it honks once. To be honest I have never thought of this as a problem. I find car alarms much more annoying as who even checks when a car alarm goes off. There are other noises like sirens, helicopters, and dogs that I find much more ubiquitous than car beeps. I've learned to tune most of these sounds out as I appreciate the convenience of being to get anything I need in easy walking distance. To me this is one of life's trade offs.
Sorry the noise bothers you. I can't say I have the same passion about this issue as you but I will try to be a little more mindful.
Shtetl G at November 22, 2016 6:46 AM
I have lived in rural areas, small towns, the suburbs of small cities, New York City, and two very different foreign countries.
My attitude towards noise, and all places inhabited by humans have noise, is that it is something that cant be controlled on the noise making end, so it must be fenced out. Either with closed windows, and AC, or ear plugs and headphones.
I didn't realize how nosiy, even at night that Japan was until I was there when it was hot enough to sleep with the windows open.
One of the noisiest things is these huge ravens that are all over the place. Far worse than the beep beep of a truck backing up, and often, right next to the open window. Although they can be heard plainly through a closed window as well.
And you know that beep,beep truck backup noise? In Japan, all the cars do it too. :-).
Have to agree with the others on this board. If you want it quiet, move to the desert, far away from other people and also farms.
Also, cut down on the coffee. As you age, it can really disturb your sleep.
Birds and livestock tend to sleep at night, but I know you don't, so no help with noise there.
Isab at November 22, 2016 7:18 AM
"Do you find it "fun" to all day hear "honk-honk!" "honk-honk!" in order to live in a place you love?"
Actually, I'm wondering about this. You love it for... what?
I spent the better part of an hour in the nearby small town, which main street has about two hundred cars, and honking escaped my notice entirely. I get that your neighborhood is noisier; your only short-term solution is to leave it. Sorry.
I made a video of the road in front of my house. I think if you listen closely, you can hear me breathing. Normally.
Radwaste at November 22, 2016 7:33 AM
The principle of not making unnecessary noise is a good one, generally. Alarm fatigue is real, but a lot of people in industry and regulators don't seem to realize it. OSHA now allows some construction sites to disable the back-up alarms on vehiclesused at the site, because at a large site, there's nearly always a vehicle backing up somewhere. Hearing the alarm all day, constantly, encourages people to ignore it. Airliners designed in the late '60s and '70s, as systems got more complicated, became notorious for having buzzers and bells and flashing lights all over the cockpit. Boeing developed the concept of the "dark, quiet cockpit" where a lot of parameters are checked electronically and the displays only alert for things that actually need attention. These days, cockpit displays only continuously show the most important flight and engine parameters. Everything is behind an "EICAS" or "ECAM" system that checks everything constantly and not only issues alerts to the crew for problems, but also walks the crew through the standard procedures to address the problem.
Llamas is right about Ted Reuter, though. Hating on tire pressure transducers? That's Luddite. He should go give his tires a stern talking-to and inform them, in no uncertain terms, that the next time he runs over a nail, they are not allowed to leak until he gets around to putting a tire gauge on them. Once upon a time, I was pretty good at setting timing advance and dwell on a distributor, tuning a carburetor, and reading spark plugs. But now I don't have to. Now is better.
Cousin Dave at November 22, 2016 7:37 AM
I need noise to sleep. It drowns the evil thoughts of conquering the world and enslaving humanity; plus it also has something to do with growing up with dance halls for neighbors.
I am so used to endless rattle (even if it's that supremely vulgar Reggaeton music) that when the bars and discotheques close at 3 AM I wake up and can't sleep back until an hour later.
Hell, even a freezer truck with a Thermo King running all night (because the butchers ran out of warehouse space) cooler a few blocks away helps me sleep.
The only thing that can keep me awake is endless chatter. I am so happy that the music shuts down the shouting matches from an Evangelical church three blocks away.
Sixclaws at November 22, 2016 7:47 AM
You sound exactly like one of those "triggered, I need a safe space because of your microagression" whiners we read so much about. The world isn't quiet enough for you to write your long suffering book? Jesus fucking christ!!! You live in a city!!! Across the street from a bar!!! WTF do you expect????
Stormy at November 22, 2016 8:10 AM
After all, what's so hard about starting you car with a crank?
That's actually an attractive notion. It would stop a number of people who probably shouldn't drive from actually driving because they wouldn't be able to hand crank a car.
If you need peace and quiet, there's always the middle of Montana. Get a couple of hundred acres and all should be well.
I won't care for the winter weather, the fact that there's tops three strands of barbed wired between you and Canada, and that at -40, degrees F and C are about the same.
I R A Darth Aggie at November 22, 2016 8:49 AM
Humans need some noise.
I've spent extended periods in a 0 dBA anechoic chamber (working with Dr Gabriella Cerrato, read her in Road and Track, who sez women are discouraged from STEM subjects? Not her!).
You can spend about 30 minutes maximum in a space like that and then you have to come outside, where you can hear noise. Otherwise you will become disoriented and nauseous and develop symptoms similar to motion sickness. Turns out we depend on low-level sound and hearing differentials (between left and right ears) for spatial orientation and confirmation. It takes months of constant exposure to be able to tolerate such low levels of background noise.
That being said, what Cousin Dave said. You can easily tune out quite-high levels of constant or repetitive background noise. But impulsive, high-level noises at irregular or unexpected intervals are incredibly-disruptive to normal activity, they destroy concentration and the ability to process complex activities and systems. We should strive to reduce such noise events from the environment, not increase them.
I live out in the boonies and I hear the beep-beep of cars locking. It's actually more-intrusive out there. Gunshots, I ignore - that's normal background noise, but car horns honking - that's really disturbing.
llater,
llamas
llamas at November 22, 2016 9:28 AM
Here's my take: The sound of the doors locking is loud enough to be heard from at least 30 feet away, if you're listening for it. In addition, the lights flash. My first car with RKE was a 1999 Daewoo, and it did not make the chirp sound or a honk. I had a neighbor whose window was next to my parking space. I could take pride knowing I wasn't disturbing him.
Fayd at November 22, 2016 9:29 AM
Does that include the unnecessary noise of Ted Rueter's unsolicited elitist and uninformed opinion?
Remote keyless entry systems are useful for unlocking a vehicle when you're carrying large packages or have your hands full. And the modern keyless cars are pretty useful in, as someone else pointed out, eliminating the need to stick your hand in your pocket or purse to root around for a key. A remote keyless entry system is, by itself, not noisy. It's using the horn for the alert that makes it noisy.
Ted is surely old enough to remember the annoyance of having to individually lock and unlock each door, as you had to before the RKE was invented.
That horn alert, by the way, comes in handy at times in large parking lots as an aid in finding one's vehicle. (See Seinfeld: "The Parking Garage")
Secondly, how on earth does he figure that having a TPMS is making the world a "much noisier and less pleasant place to live?" Or is he again conflating a useful and innovative system with the alert methodology?
Finally, is the European Union the role model we should use for vehicle regulations? For any regulations? There's a reason the British got fed up and voted to leave.
Conan hte Grammarian at November 22, 2016 10:55 AM
There's a reason the British got fed up and voted to leave.
You mean to say the regulation relating to the number of watts your electric kettle could pull?
Bees buzz.
Birds fly.
Regulators regulate.
I R A Darth Aggie at November 22, 2016 11:09 AM
After listening to the car when I lock it, I've concluded that the sound it makes is no big deal. It's not even the full-blown horn, but it sounds like a softer version of it.
Patrick at November 22, 2016 11:31 AM
While I disagree with Dr. Rueter on noise pollution and tire gauges, I heartily agree with him on the grating-to-the-ear misuse of "I" and "myself." And apostrophes.
This column is from 1998 - and it's only gotten worse.
Conan the Grammarian at November 22, 2016 1:14 PM
"it seems to create a compulsion in users to hear the horn as a form of assurance."
My car was broken into in the driveway last Monday night. I left it unlocked so I'm as mad at myself as I am at those punks. I have to say, that has become me. Double and tipple checking that it's locked. Paranoid I will leave the iphone laying in sight for a few minutes. Until I get a security cam that can see the lights flash I need to hear that sound. And if I cannot remember the last time I heard it, I need to hear it again.
And yet I loathe the honk-honk. Assuming there is enough value in the audible signal to override its impact on the surrounding environment, why can't it be pleasant and non-alarming, engineered at least as well as the cup holders?
Ironically, they took my tire pressure gauge.
smurfy at November 22, 2016 3:57 PM
My car just locks, you can hear the door locks going into place, but nothing else. The first time I rented a car in the US after that became common, it startled the crap out of me, I wasn't expecting it. I pulled into our driveway around 9pm and when I locked the car, HONK-HONK accompanied by flashing lights. There's no need, that I can see...
The other thing that came later that I found aggravating was the radio not shutting off when you turn the car off. It kind of blares, if you've been on the highway with the windows of sunroof open. What the use is that feature? Both are noisy in a quiet neighborhood. I can see how the constant honking could be aggravating, I hated it when it was just my car I had to lock.
I'll have to see if my back-up beeps are audible just inside the car, or outside too. I thought it was just inside, as a driver assist, we've had so many instances here of seniors mistaking or forgetting which gear they're in. My car beeps when I put it in reverse, but I didn't think it was audible...now I have to find out!
Yes, Japan is noisy....so freakin' noisy...not only the wildlife (where we are it's more tonbi (kites) than ravens), but pachinko parlors, blaring music, endless announcements..I can only take it in small doses. I could never live downtown.
crella at November 22, 2016 5:19 PM
"Before you sneer at how silly it is"
Count me in as one other's will "sneer" at; I find those kinds of unnecessary noises annoying!
I currently have a neighbor who insists on clicking that door lock, with the horn beeping, at least a half dozen times when he get home.
Once or twice is bad enough; but, this is beyond belief. And he does it at ANY time - even 1 or 2 AM. I am sometimes so tempted to open my windows and scream out - "it is locked already you effing idiot!"
As for myself; I lock the door using the inside button so that when I close the door the car is locked. The only sounds are the minor "click" of the lock locking (really who hears that except the person pushing the button) and the closing (NOT slamming) of the car door. I also unlock the car in the early morning hours using the key (yea, I know - how old-fashioned) as I don't want to annoy anyone at 5:00 am with the noise of using the remote key which honks the horn.
charles at November 22, 2016 6:12 PM
I found this post very enlightening. I often double click my remote to make sure the car is locked, causing the horn to quickly beep on the second click. I will refrain from doing so from now on.
I also did not know that former Senator Liberal Dole was behind the backup beeper regulation. Figures.
mpetrie98 at November 22, 2016 7:39 PM
My suburban does a softer, sort of half-honk when I lock it with the key fob. I rarely lock it upon exiting from inside the vehicle, because if I know that if I'm standing outside of it with the key in my hand, I'm not locking myself out. But that's in a parking garage, anyway.
I think a cheap box fan is a great white noise solution for people who are bothered by noise but live in noisey areas. When the hubs and I first moved in together we lived in a hipster dickbag college kid area and it helped drown out the noise when the cool kids were crawling home at 3am. Right now I'm staying at a house full of children and in-laws for the holidays and I wish I had a nice noisey fan...
Ahw at November 22, 2016 9:13 PM
llamas: Sticking a piece of metal into a slot to make something work is technology for 1825,
That's why like it. It's my own personal time machine. Whenever I want to go back to, say, be at the founding of the Jefferson Literary and Debating Society or watch the opening of the Erie Canal, I just stick my key in my car lock and...Whoosh!...I'm right there (and lemme tell ya, the guys in the Jefferson Literary and Debating Society really know how to party.)
JD at November 22, 2016 9:30 PM
Double glazing, Amy.
Ltw at November 22, 2016 11:30 PM
" rarely lock it upon exiting from inside the vehicle, because if I know that if I'm standing outside of it with the key in my hand, I'm not locking myself out. "
Yeah, after several episodes of locking myself out when I was younger, I stopped ever using the inside door button when getting out. Instead, I got into the habit of locking it from outside using the key. The remote systems are just an extension of that.
Cousin Dave at November 23, 2016 7:29 AM
Having the car beep when you lock it is roughly akin to locking it with
a key and then shouting, "My car is now locked!" What kind of jerk
would believe it's appropriate to notify the entire neighborhood about
this event?
Yes, Ted Rueter's comment about keyless entry systems is elitist and
a luddite thing. However there's a much better argument against
keyless entry/ignition: car makers don't do wireless security very well.
For instance, VW responded to a security hole in their electronic
locking system. They didn't actually fix it; they got an injunction
that for 2 years prevented the person who reported the flaw from
publishing the fact[1]. There are numerous reports about the awful
wireless security of cars. Here's one that describes a really cheap
attack mode:
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2909589/microsoft-subnet/thieves-can-use-17-power-amplifier-to-break-into-cars-with-remote-keyless-systems.html
[1] To avoid having more than one URL in this post, you can Google
"VW security injunction" to see the refs.
Ron at November 23, 2016 8:30 AM
These things are almost as bad as car alarms.
I'm going to have to do an expanded version of the proposed law I sent to my city council (giving anyone awakened by somebody's car alarm the right to take a pick axe, crowbar, or sledge hammer to the offending car until the noise stops and stays stopped). Maybe now it'll gain some supporters.
jdgalt at November 23, 2016 1:34 PM
Imagine the people whose houses border the church parking lot -- their early Sunday mornings are a cacophony of car horns. The car locker has the stinkin' pendant right in his hand. Why doesn't -it- do the beep?
Alan at November 24, 2016 3:50 PM
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