My boyfriend makes jokes like this all the time. He also jokes that I'm smarter than him and will be supporting us in our old age. I also joke about men being trash and women being naggy. Unless you actually think men or women are inferior to yourself I don't understand why anybody gives a fuck.

Right on.

Also, you sound like fun, as does your boyfriend.

This woman is not flattered by a casual glance at her twitter feed. It's a surprise to see her working for Reason.

It's difficult to regard talk about "living beyond the gender binary" as thoughtful or worldly.

If "this sort of thing turns them off libertarianism," perhaps these aren't "great young women." At the very least, they have things on their minds besides liberty.

Dunno what his intention was, if it was "shut up and make me a sandwich" statement from a troll then yes it is obnoxious. But not share worthy, more eyeroll worthy. Don't feed the trokl, right?

But I could also read it as he is making is a sandwich. Or suggesting we eat a sandwich or back. Or something.

I agree on the younger women part. The social media generation is now used to their voices being heard so they use those outlets to channel their "social justice warrior" sensibilities. Social justice warriors generally prefer public shaming and getting offended to show they're fighting for "what's right". Lighten up, laugh, come up with a better joke, and enjoy that fine ass BLT for what it is.

Saw the headline then saw the tweet and first thought it was 'be defiant of Islam by eating bacon'. Then read it and guess it's a make me a sandwich thing. Which in today's PC world, someone acting nonPC would be a sign of freedom and liberty.

You are correct about the younger women being more into this sort of thing. Why? Because that is what our schools teach. My sister does this all the time. All the way from kindergarten to graduate school she was taught that as a woman she was being discriminated against. The reality is that as a woman she was far less discriminated against than any man. At least due to gender. After almost 20 years of getting that clap trap pounded into her brain it is in there pretty permanently. We don't really talk much because almost any conversation over 5 minutes turns into a diatribe about how horrible of a human being I am and how evil the entire male gender is. She wants to have a closer relationship with me but I see no reason to take that kind of abuse just to make her happy. On some level she realizes what she is doing doesn't work and is trying to change. But 20+ years of habits are hard to remove. This also affects her at work. She is union (and an engineer), all her coworkers are union. She thinks the reason coworkers try to sabotage her when she is working really hard is because she is a woman. For those of us outside of that bubble it is pretty clear gender has nothing to do with it. They can't be fired and they don't like her displaying just how lazy they are. It isn't because she is a woman it is because they are union. But culturally she can't accept that answer. She also has that obsessions with the word 'girl'. If you call any female a girl she flips out. Something about patriarchy and infantilizing. Meh.

Brown is showing the same cultural markers. She has been told she is being discriminated against when in reality she never was. Now she has finally found some of that 'discrimination' she's been looking for for decades. Hence her kill the evil doer response.

In terms of hiring, I'd prefer the lad to Ms. Nolan Brown. I've never been in an organization that needed to add OUTRAGE!!! I've never been in one that couldn't use a few more laughs.

Oh, and if you want the best BLT you've ever had, you want me to make it. Just ask my wife.

In the good old days, a married couple took care of each other, did things for each other. They needed each other because life was hard. Now the expectation is that men still do all the hard stuff (gutters, yard work, long commute, 50 hrs/wk dangerous job) plus half the housework, but women get offended at the idea of doing something special for their man. Making a meal (a sammich) has become offensive because they think it implies subservience--but ladies, what do you do to show you love your husband? He does things for you. With this sort of resentment it is not surprising that young people aren't getting married.

Put another log on the fire,
Cook me up some bacon and some beans,
Go out to the car and change the tire,
Wash my socks and mend my old blue jeans.

"You are correct about the younger women being more into this sort of thing. Why? Because that is what our schools teach. My sister does this all the time. All the way from kindergarten to graduate school she was taught that as a woman she was being discriminated against. The reality is that as a woman she was far less discriminated against than any man."

Ben, this is helpful in understanding this.

The writer who posted this tweet (about the guy's tweet) argues for women's agency (in writing about sex workers), and I just don't understand feeling victimized by a (lame) joke like this.

Yeah, he wants the ladies to make him a sandwich. I want a manservant to massage my feet under the desk and bring me bacon on a little silver tray. And Gregg wants me to put on his slippers.

That's a good looking sandwich. Now I want one.

Another cultural marker of this Amy is being unable to cook. There are some vague fears about being chained up barefoot in the kitchen. It is really more emotional than anything real. But consequently educated women under 40 pretty much can't cook. Something like 90% of them would burn water. And this is a badge of honor and 'right think' and such. Which is part of the reason the sandwich thing really sticks in their craw. You and I see a sandwich. They see a symbol of sexual slavery.

Personally I get hungry. So I learned how to cook. I take the view if you want to eat good food you should learn how to cook good food. You just can't rely on others. But then again, I'm a boy.

This is the Newbie-tude of the Internet Blowhard—

> It is really more emotional
> than anything real. But
> consequently

Why on Earth would you be trusted to know the "real" source of this (perhaps imaginary) trend, whether or not it's something "emotional," or what it's consequences are?

What does "real" even mean to you?

"Get out in that kitchen, rattle those pots and pans."
"Get out in that kitchen, rattle those pots and pans."
"Well roll my breakfast 'cause I'm a hungry man."
"I said shake, rattle and roll. I said shake, rattle and roll."

Video of young women dancing to Shake, Rattle and Roll without seeming to be offended by the words:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmfKwSoH5TI

...

When my bipolar ex-wife was 20, smoking hot and knew it... one Saturday afternoon she was sitting slouched on the couch with her arms crossed and sour look on her face, and she said to me, "Cook me a steak."

And I said, "Cook you a steak? Why should I cook you a steak?"

And she made this little bit of a smile and said, "Cook me a steak, and after I eat it you'll find out."

I could have said, "I'm not your servant. Cook your own steak." But we were still happy together, so instead, I grilled her a steak and served it to her with some steamed broccoli and a salad. And I was glad I did.

She could make the best, most amazing sandwiches ever made, and was proud of it. She used to make me a sandwich anytime I wanted, and seemed to enjoy doing so. But we liked steak and I was better at cooking them.

Gee, whiz, Amy. Gregg is so kind to you, but putting on his slippers once is too much to expect in return?

You must show your gratitude and respect in other ways ...

I Don't Get Why This Guy's Sandwich Tweet Is A Big Deal To Some Women

is there anything in the world — anything at all? — that's not a big deal to some women?

You're old Crid. Otherwise you'd get it.

You're just being emotional, not real.

Weird, i am forty and most of my friends are excellent cooks. Knowing how to cook, especially trendy things like quinoa and kale or being an expert cupcake decprator is very much a thing in my peer group.

It is the same reason Woody Allen will always be a failed actor to me Crid. I didn't grow up with him. I only know him after the fact. Same way this will never be something you will understand. You didn't grow up with it. I doubt it can ever be real to you.

NicoleK, when did they start to learn how to cook and do they cook other things than trendy stuff. My sister only started to learn how to cook about 5-10 years ago. And the only things she has learned how to cook are trendy things. More standard cooking she still doesn't do. Simple stuff like sausage, rice, and veggies seems to be man's work.

I may be a bit behind the times on the cooking thing. But I clearly remember back in college there were pretty few women who knew how to cook. And if they couldn't cook they probably were the fem-nazish type. Yell at you for holding a door open and such.

Another cultural marker of this is an obsession with the word 'girl'. If a guy says 'I've got to lunch with girls before.' he is branded a pedophile. Actually had a case of this on the local radio a few months back. Mike Pence had that thing about how he doesn't eat alone with women who aren't his wife come out. A DJ on the radio was talking about it with callers and he said that while he understood Pence's concerns he saw no reason to do that himself. After he used the g-word the lady caller freaked out on him about how he likes to dine with underaged women. He tried to backpedal but had to just cut the line. Once you use the g-word it is all over.

Also, NicoleK, maybe you and your friends aren't part of this trend. I'm hoping you don't consider yourself an annoying lecturing harridan. As a girl I'm not surprised you wouldn't notice the trend. You don't have any balls that need busting. No offense intended.

"My boyfriend, Saturday night, tried to get me to put his slippers on his feet for him."

I would have put his slippers on for him.

My husband rarely asks for personal stuff. Or actually for anything at all. When he does, I am quite happy to comply. He does everything for me.

Ha, I believe Amy and Gregg were just kidding each other over the slippers thing. However, one of the top rules for spouses should be: Whichever spouse has a dog or cat asleep on top of them gets a bit of special consideration.

I have to admit that, although I don't find the original tweet offensive, I don't get the joke either. I assume that there is some context that I'm not aware of.

"Personally I get hungry. So I learned how to cook. "

This. My observation is that not very much of the Millennial generation, male or female, knows any cooking or food prep. I ask them, "Weren't you ever single? How did you not starve?" I'm not a great cook, but I can cook some basic things because, well, I was single once and I had to learn. Basic stuff is not that hard. What do they do today? Eat every meal out? That's expensive and not particularly good for you. I think that part of the problem is that a lot of them have never been exposed to ingredients, or what to do with them. Put them in the meat or produce section of the supermarket, and they're lost. How does a head of lettuce and an onion get transformed into salad? No one ever showed them that, and most of them never had a job in a restaurant like most of my generation did. Which knife cuts what? How do use a potato peeler? How do you operate the oven? No clue.

I'm not necessarily blaming them, because in a lot of cases, their parents never showed them anything about cooking or made them help with it (possibly because the parents themselves didn't know any cooking). But at some point, they have to suck it up and learn. What are you going to do when you spouse is ill and you have to cook for them?

I've seen that too Cousin Dave. My best guess is they associate eating out with being rich. But your guess is as good as mine.

Ben: "My best guess is they associate eating out with being rich."

I think they associate eating out with survival. They've been raised and socialized in a context in which someone else provides food, much like someone else provides medical care, and someone else provides education.

I think this may ultimately lead to the government taking control, and eventually ownership, of the production, distribution and provision of food, much like it has taken control of the provision of education, medical care, and water, and is progressively taking control of transportation, and energy production and distribution. Already a huge proportion of American parents expect the government to provide breakfast and lunch to their children at government schools, and anybody opposed to this "wants children to go hungry."

Eventually there will be politicians and activists pushing for the government to take complete control of the provision of food. Why not? That way the government could ensure that everyone eats a USDA approved healthy, high carb diet rich in fruits and grains; the consumption of refined sugar and meat could be reduced or virtually eliminated by policy and regulation; the food available to individuals could be controlled based on their unique health and nutrition needs. Anyone opposed will be accused of wanting children, families and old people to starve to death.